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Post by rafer on Nov 23, 2018 17:08:27 GMT -8
If everyone isn't pissed off by this effing total embarrassment you are a morally bankrupt mediocre fan. I'm a huge JS fan but this effort and play calling is not acceptable, period. Another year like this and good effort, but you're gone. Another year of this duck s%#te arrogance to live with, seriously, this Beav team may be the worst in 30 years and JS, sorry, but the glow is gone and youd better come up with significant improvement or you'll lose the remaining 50 fans! O pouring it on now, score for 2 years, about 130 - 17, a record that will never be broken. TRAGIC EMBARASSMENT... What did you realistically expect coming into the 2018 season? Who on god’s green earth could have coached this team to an appreciably better result this year? If you think you can name 1 human being, you sir are wrong. We aren’t even bringing a knife to a gun fight.(talent wise) Maybe brass knuckles. It will take time. I had zero expectations, totally knew he inherited a crap bag, but I expected SOME improvement, there wasn't any when it's all said and done. Talent level stinks to high heaven, I agree, but this last season ending effort was pitiful at best. I think we should ALL expect a better effort and it just was not even close, sorry.. I expect JS to call it what it was, tragic, no excuses, lame effort by out O and lines who were boys playing with men, weak and totally ineffective on both sides of the ball. I do not see any recruits or red shirts in the wings that gives me any hope of line play improvement and that will determine where we go next year, and it's NOT looking good at all. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Nov 23, 2018 17:25:13 GMT -8
If everyone isn't pissed off by this effing total embarrassment you are a morally bankrupt mediocre fan. I'm a huge JS fan but this effort and play calling is not acceptable, period. Another year like this and good effort, but you're gone. Another year of this duck s%#te arrogance to live with, seriously, this Beav team may be the worst in 30 years and JS, sorry, but the glow is gone and youd better come up with significant improvement or you'll lose the remaining 50 fans! O pouring it on now, score for 2 years, about 130 - 17, a record that will never be broken. TRAGIC EMBARASSMENT... ”Morally Bankrupt”? |
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 23, 2018 17:55:54 GMT -8
What did you realistically expect coming into the 2018 season? Who on god’s green earth could have coached this team to an appreciably better result this year? If you think you can name 1 human being, you sir are wrong. We aren’t even bringing a knife to a gun fight.(talent wise) Maybe brass knuckles. It will take time. I had zero expectations, totally knew he inherited a crap bag, but I expected SOME improvement, there wasn't any when it's all said and done. Talent level stinks to high heaven, I agree, but this last season ending effort was pitiful at best. I think we should ALL expect a better effort and it just was not even close, sorry.. I expect JS to call it what it was, tragic, no excuses, lame effort by out O and lines who were boys playing with men, weak and totally ineffective on both sides of the ball. I do not see any recruits or red shirts in the wings that gives me any hope of line play improvement and that will determine where we go next year, and it's NOT looking good at all. I guess we can agree to disagree. Proof will be in the pudding.(2-3 years from now...not next year). Again, I think there was a LOT of improvement and no quit in the team. Guess we will have to wait to find out. Even if you are correct, I will enjoy the next 2-3 years more than you will. |
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Post by LT Beaver on Nov 23, 2018 18:12:46 GMT -8
It's apparent to me that we don't have the size or athleticism to compete at this level. Our guys were pushed around like they were a high school team, which many of our players are in fact freshmen. Our offensive and defensive lines are undersized and can't get through a block. Until we can recruit bigger, stronger and faster players the same results will occur. This isn't a JS problem it's how do we get better players to come to OSU?
I've been a Beaver since 1950 so don't think this is easy to watch. It"s NOT!
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Post by rafer on Nov 23, 2018 19:38:01 GMT -8
It's apparent to me that we don't have the size or athleticism to compete at this level. Our guys were pushed around like they were a high school team, which many of our players are in fact freshmen. Our offensive and defensive lines are undersized and can't get through a block. Until we can recruit bigger, stronger and faster players the same results will occur. This isn't a JS problem it's how do we get better players to come to OSU? I've been a Beaver since 1950 so don't think this is easy to watch. It"s NOT! |
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Post by avidbeaver on Nov 23, 2018 20:59:55 GMT -8
How about we just be able to tackle someone and not let the runner gain another 5 to 10 yards. The one thing that was the most frustrating all year is the lack of tackling. I don't know what the issue is but it has to get fixed or the defense won't stop anyone it plays. I don't think it is coaching as much as just plain ability. If you think you are frustrated just think how the coaches feel.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 23, 2018 21:26:59 GMT -8
I can’t hang much of this on the coaching staff. I don’t how many times I saw guys in the right spot to plug the gap and stop runners for minimal gains and instead of running into the hole......they’d stop and wait for the ballcarrier. Trying to tackle a guy when you’re standing still and he’s running full speed seems tough. I don’t know why we do that.
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Post by lebaneaver on Nov 23, 2018 22:10:59 GMT -8
I can’t hang much of this on the coaching staff. I don’t how many times I saw guys in the right spot to plug the gap and stop runners for minimal gains and instead of running into the hole......they’d stop and wait for the ballcarrier. Trying to tackle a guy when you’re standing still and he’s running full speed seems tough. I don’t know why we do that. Exactly. Scheme may not be perfect, but we honestly don’t have the athleticism yet. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 23, 2018 23:54:25 GMT -8
There were several plays where the safety would come up to make the play, and then absolutely freeze. Just painful. Having a healthy David Morris in that spot would have helped - not enough to overcome all the problems, but helped.
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Post by justdamwin on Nov 24, 2018 7:06:01 GMT -8
It's apparent to me that we don't have the size or athleticism to compete at this level. Our guys were pushed around like they were a high school team, which many of our players are in fact freshmen. Our offensive and defensive lines are undersized and can't get through a block. Until we can recruit bigger, stronger and faster players the same results will occur. This isn't a JS problem it's how do we get better players to come to OSU? I've been a Beaver since 1950 so don't think this is easy to watch. It"s NOT! Big isn’t the problem, in fact weight may be the problem for more than one lineman. Strong, fast, athletic we lack. Only so many real linemen to go around and Oregon State has been missing them In general our lineplay is inferior. Hodgins at DT is a bright spot Oline we just have to wait and see. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 9:49:35 GMT -8
It's apparent to me that we don't have the size or athleticism to compete at this level. Our guys were pushed around like they were a high school team, which many of our players are in fact freshmen. Our offensive and defensive lines are undersized and can't get through a block. Until we can recruit bigger, stronger and faster players the same results will occur. This isn't a JS problem it's how do we get better players to come to OSU? I've been a Beaver since 1950 so don't think this is easy to watch. It"s NOT! Big isn’t the problem, in fact weight may be the problem for more than one lineman. Strong, fast, athletic we lack. Only so many real linemen to go around and Oregon State has been missing them In general our lineplay is inferior. Hodgins at DT is a bright spot Oline we just have to wait and see. I think there is probably a connection between appearing puny and playing puny. The d*cks looked bigger across the board. Just like the other opponents. |
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Post by rafer on Nov 24, 2018 10:01:17 GMT -8
I had zero expectations, totally knew he inherited a crap bag, but I expected SOME improvement, there wasn't any when it's all said and done. Talent level stinks to high heaven, I agree, but this last season ending effort was pitiful at best. I think we should ALL expect a better effort and it just was not even close, sorry.. I expect JS to call it what it was, tragic, no excuses, lame effort by out O and lines who were boys playing with men, weak and totally ineffective on both sides of the ball. I do not see any recruits or red shirts in the wings that gives me any hope of line play improvement and that will determine where we go next year, and it's NOT looking good at all. I guess we can agree to disagree. Proof will be in the pudding.(2-3 years from now...not next year). Again, I think there was a LOT of improvement and no quit in the team. Guess we will have to wait to find out. Even if you are correct, I will enjoy the next 2-3 years more than you will. Well, if you want to enjoy the next 2-3 years more than I there needs to be more than a combined 3 wins in 2 seasons, I pray there is too. I'm not putting this all on JS, he knew going in that it was a crap shoot this year, we can all agree on that. He was in the hot seat the minute he took the job and he would tell you that as well. As far as the improvement, I said when it was all said and done, and that means excepting CU, we were right back getting shelled by a duck team just as bad as last year, and with a backup QB that is terrible to boot! The team played with effort usually and excepting a couple late game blow outs, never quite, to their credit. Offense better, generally yes but the Oline and Dline, play yesterday was totally exposed for what it was, which was beyond poor. JJ had no chance on most carry's and AP seems to have turned in early lately, still hurt, don't know, but the player he was is no where to be seen, Xfer? Can't even talk about the Dline or D in general, bottom of the earth bad. 4 starts coming but the jury is out, most were not playing for a bad NU team, so they will have to prove themselves, and lineman recruits, O and D, do we have any and are there quality red shirts?? BTW, I'm positive I have been a Beav diehard for more years than you've breathed air but I will never like losing, or sugar coating a poor performance, i.e. Ralph Miller, etal… Next Year?  |
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 24, 2018 10:27:04 GMT -8
I guess we can agree to disagree. Proof will be in the pudding.(2-3 years from now...not next year). Again, I think there was a LOT of improvement and no quit in the team. Guess we will have to wait to find out. Even if you are correct, I will enjoy the next 2-3 years more than you will. Well, if you want to enjoy the next 2-3 years more than I there needs to be more than a combined 3 wins in 2 seasons, I pray there is too. I'm not putting this all on JS, he knew going in that it was a crap shoot this year, we can all agree on that. He was in the hot seat the minute he took the job and he would tell you that as well. As far as the improvement, I said when it was all said and done, and that means excepting CU, we were right back getting shelled by a duck team just as bad as last year, and with a backup QB that is terrible to boot! The team played with effort usually and excepting a couple late game blow outs, never quite, to their credit. Offense better, generally yes but the Oline and Dline, play yesterday was totally exposed for what it was, which was beyond poor. JJ had no chance on most carry's and AP seems to have turned in early lately, still hurt, don't know, but the player he was is no where to be seen, Xfer? Can't even talk about the Dline or D in general, bottom of the earth bad. 4 starts coming but the jury is out, most were not playing for a bad NU team, so they will have to prove themselves, and lineman recruits, O and D, do we have any and are there quality red shirts?? BTW, I'm positive I have been a Beav diehard for more years than you've breathed air but I will never like losing, or sugar coating a poor performance, i.e. Ralph Miller, etal… Next Year? I agree with most of what you say up to the point when you try to insult me. I was at Gill for ALL ‘80-‘81 Orange Express home games. I know, I was lucky. And just because you may be old, doesn’t make you correct. Never said I like losing. Also like to think I can be reasonable with my expectations. This team is going to take time to build back up to just the competative level. Football is difficult to turn around. It takes more than “Just that 1 kid.”. It will take time...in months and years...not game to game. People who think they should see appreciable improvement from the whole team, all 22+players on a weekly basis, are being unreasonable. PS-sitting here watching Michigan lose to Ohio St...again. |
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Post by rafer on Nov 24, 2018 11:00:41 GMT -8
Wasn't meant to insinuate that you like losing, no insult intended. That's just me, never quit, never give in, win with class, which the ducks can't ever do, and swallow hard when losing, especially after what every player and coach should tell you, was a terribly poor effort. Disappointed there weren't more signs of hope and general improvement, it just wasn't there to any significant degree, IMO. O better, mostly, otherwise, not so much.
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Post by beavertd on Nov 24, 2018 12:11:40 GMT -8
We had around 11 Freshman on the two-deep Depth Chart. Name me the winning teams around the nation that play that number of Freshmen? To compound that problem, many are on the Offensive and Defensive Line!
Arguably, our best player on offense coming in, Noah Togai, got hurt and never came close to where he was last season. Same could be said of the best defensive player, David Morris. Add Reichner on the D-Line, and I could see the writing on the wall before the season ever started. We are paper thin on talent and depth. That will take time to develop.
I hope at least half of those Freshman who played extensively can develop into serviceable PAC-12 starters in the next couple of years. We need some big time player development.
We did not have a PAC-12 quality Quarterback on our roster this season. Maybe not even a Mountain West quality starter. if we can improve our QB play, we win a couple more games imo.
Regardless of our unknown opinion of them, the addition of the 4 Star QB, 4 Star WR, and the 4 Star LB's should improve our two deep greatly. These are not unknown quantities, as some of our coaches/consultants know what the husker transfers were about. The Oklahoma LB was slated to start, before his preseason injury. These are talented players, if they can adapt and fit our system.
I think our Offensive scheme was solid, although undermined by our lack of quality starters. I'm not sure about our Defensive scheme, as we were historically bad. We need a total overhaul and some luck in player development. I'm thinking we start 3 Pac-12 quality players on the D side of the ball. That's not going to win you games.
Recruiting will take time, as no recruit with options wants to lose the way we've been losing. So it will be "diamond in the rough" time for a couple of years. Not impossible, think of the WR from Western Oregon who starts for the Chargers. Expect 12th ranked recruiting classes, at least until we start winning 6 plus games a season.
Smith played the cards he was dealt this season. He invested heavily in his own Freshman Class. (See Two-Deep above). His staff has a ton of work to do finishing recruiting and developing the players he has. If you were looking for a quick fix, jump on another bandwagon. This is coming from someone who sat in the stands during the Fertig and Avezzano years.
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