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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 25, 2018 19:04:59 GMT -8
If he didn't lose the job, why did he never start there again? I'll tell you why, because he royally sucked. Kempt did not suck, he was actually quite good...in 2017, not 2015, not 2016...2017. He just wasn't as good as the back-up and couldn't regain the role as starter the following year. But they are going to make him a coach. Lastly, and most importantly, neither were on the 2015 team!
If you, or whoever, are telling me that Jake Del Rio, or Kyle Kempt as a walk-on, or 3M as a true freshman, would be better QBs in 2015 than Jake Luton in 2018, I'm laughing at you. They would have been no better than...well, Jake Luton in 2015. They all would have sucked, Jake Del Rio did suck throughout his career, Kempt shined 2 years later, and McMaryion completed 40% of his passes in the 7 games he played in 2015.
But yeah, OSU was LOADED at QB in 2015. JFC.
A healthy Del Rio won the starting job the first game he was eligible, had two shoulder injuries and a knee injury and kept the job, playing through the injuries until his body couldn’t hold out while having a 5 and 1 record. He was replaced and underwent surgery. The next season he came back and won the starter’s job again. Unfortunately he suffered a season ending injury early on. He chose to medically retire at that point rather than go through all the rehab just to try to play with a bum shoulder and leg again. If you had actually followed what was going on at the time you’d know he didn’t “lose the job”. Going down with injury, then being replaced by someone the coaches think are better than you, so much so that you never see the field again, is in fact "losing the job". See, Jake Luton didn't lose the job, he was better than the guys they trotted out after he got injured. Del Rio...not so much.
Watched him play several times, Del Rio was awful. And I was rooting for the kid, I was pissed about what happened here.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 25, 2018 19:45:06 GMT -8
Villamin was quite good as a Freshman. Then the CGA revolving QB Wheel of Suck took over. Hodgins is a good receiver, but only when Luton was on the field. He was nonexistent when anyone else was behind center.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 25, 2018 20:49:20 GMT -8
I'm not sure Del Rio would have had any more luck with injuries at Oregon State, but the point remains he WAS talented, so was Kempt and obviously so was 3M. I don't think saying that it was "loaded" or an "embarrassment of riches" when taken in context with the current QB roster, is out of the pale. The variable that nobody can pinpoint in all of this: what type of system they were playing in, how much time did they have to learn that system, and whether or not the staff is putting them in a position to succeed. Riley's pro-set offense was notorious for having a steep learning curve for the QB. Smith's offense with Lindgren is not that offense, it has much more of a Chris Petersen flavor and from the objective results this season, it does not have that same steep learning curve for the QB that Riley/Langsdorf's offense did. So, long story short, I don't think you can definitively make that statement, that Luton in 18 would have been inarguably better than all 3 of those other QB's under Smith and Lindgren. In fact, with 3M's instant success under Tedford, I think you can make the opposite argument. I don't know if Jake is going to get a look at the NFL. I know the offense was demonstrably better with him at the controls instead of Colletto but what does that tell us? Not much in my opinion. I'm just gonna go ahead and add this one last time, because this originated as a debate about the 2015 offense, which according to Wilkie was "loaded", vs. the 2018 offense. Neither Del Rio, nor Kempt, were on that roster, that was just a slick Wilkie way of changing the argument to his benefit. But, even had they been on that roster, I personally think they wouldn't have been very good QBs in 2015, in any offense. Certainly not as good as Luton in 2018, which wasn't great. But probably better than Collins, Mitchell, and who was that other freshman QB that started a few games...McMaryion? Also, claiming Kempt as some sort of future star in 2015 because of what he accomplished in 2017 is pure hindsight. He's listed as a "squad member" on the 2014 roster. Not one Beaver Fan I know was throwing bricks because he left the program.
LOL, anyway, I'm not changing any minds here, no one is changing my mind. The 2018 offense was better than 2015 offense, better players, better stats, better results, better everything. Even had Smith been the coach of that 2015 team, it still wouldn't have been as good as 2018.
Slick Wilky. I love it! The 2015 offensive roster was loaded, when compared to the returning talent of the 2017 offensive roster. Then, GAG pulled his GAG magic and chased away talent and buried the rest of the talent, in order to play guys who out-benched the talent. I can't use hindsight? This is all hindsight. Del Rio, Kempt, and McMaryion were all on the roster, and GAG chased away two buried the third third on the depth chart. When adjusted for schedule, the 2014 offense was ranked somewhere in the 62nd-66th range and was set to return nine starters. GAG coached that team down to the 96th-97th range. The 2017 offense was ranked somewhere in the 103rd-107th range and returned seven starters. The offense was putrid last year. Smitty coached them up to the 65th-70th range. Demonstrably, GAG did less with more and Smitty did more with less. Also, no f*#@ing way is Luton-Colleto-Blount better than the three-headed monster that was Del Rio-Kempt-McMaryion. 2017 Luton was not as good as 2017 McMaryion. If McMaryion had been with the ones all year, 2015 McMaryion would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Del Rio would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Kempt would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2018 Luton would have been fourth string on 2015, at best. No. Luton was far and away the best quarterback on this roster, but I am not going to pretend that he is near the level of quarterbacks that we all grew accustomed to in the Riley-Erickson-Riley Era. I am looking foward to Smitty remedying this immediately, upgrading the line, and putting together a defense that can stop somebody.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 25, 2018 21:54:00 GMT -8
I'm just gonna go ahead and add this one last time, because this originated as a debate about the 2015 offense, which according to Wilkie was "loaded", vs. the 2018 offense. Neither Del Rio, nor Kempt, were on that roster, that was just a slick Wilkie way of changing the argument to his benefit. But, even had they been on that roster, I personally think they wouldn't have been very good QBs in 2015, in any offense. Certainly not as good as Luton in 2018, which wasn't great. But probably better than Collins, Mitchell, and who was that other freshman QB that started a few games...McMaryion? Also, claiming Kempt as some sort of future star in 2015 because of what he accomplished in 2017 is pure hindsight. He's listed as a "squad member" on the 2014 roster. Not one Beaver Fan I know was throwing bricks because he left the program.
LOL, anyway, I'm not changing any minds here, no one is changing my mind. The 2018 offense was better than 2015 offense, better players, better stats, better results, better everything. Even had Smith been the coach of that 2015 team, it still wouldn't have been as good as 2018.
Slick Wilky. I love it! The 2015 offensive roster was loaded, when compared to the returning talent of the 2017 offensive roster. Then, GAG pulled his GAG magic and chased away talent and buried the rest of the talent, in order to play guys who out-benched the talent. I can't use hindsight? This is all hindsight. Del Rio, Kempt, and McMaryion were all on the roster, and GAG chased away two buried the third third on the depth chart. When adjusted for schedule, the 2014 offense was ranked somewhere in the 62nd-66th range and was set to return nine starters. GAG coached that team down to the 96th-97th range. The 2017 offense was ranked somewhere in the 103rd-107th range and returned seven starters. The offense was putrid last year. Smitty coached them up to the 65th-70th range. Demonstrably, GAG did less with more and Smitty did more with less. Also, no f*#@ way is Luton-Colleto-Blount better than the three-headed monster that was Del Rio-Kempt-McMaryion. 2017 Luton was not as good as 2017 McMaryion. If McMaryion had been with the ones all year, 2015 McMaryion would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Del Rio would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Kempt would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2018 Luton would have been fourth string on 2015, at best. No. Luton was far and away the best quarterback on this roster, but I am not going to pretend that he is near the level of quarterbacks that we all grew accustomed to in the Riley-Erickson-Riley Era. I am looking foward to Smitty remedying this immediately, upgrading the line, and putting together a defense that can stop somebody. Piling on further, the OL had Josh Mitchell, Isaac Seumalo, Gavin Andrews, Brayden Kearsley and Sean Harlow, plus Dustin Stanton as a junior with 300 pounds on him. The only reason Woods appeared to be a serviceable running back is because of that offensive line. 3 of those guys are on the 2 deep at any Pac12 school and one of them is starting at any Pac12 school. Jermar is a rare talent, he has Steven Jackson-esque production behind even a marginally effective offensive line. Not really germane to the discussion at hand, but something that struck me sitting here and realizing we have just one OL that probably got an offer from other P5 schools. Ugh. I just looked at the roster again.. had forgotten about the players on that squad. Kyle Peko, Jalen Grimble, Noke Tago, Baker Pritchard, Titus Failauga, Vakameileilo was looking good as a RSFR, Hungalu, Caleb Saulo, Rommel Mageo, Cyril Noland-Lewis, Treston DeCoud, Justin Strong... man. Imagine that defense (and no USC game this year to take out Tago and Grimble's knees ) this year. I just read all that and it got me thinking about BJW's comment that GAG had left OSU better than he found it, made me want to kick the man in the groin a little TBH
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2018 0:45:59 GMT -8
A healthy Del Rio won the starting job the first game he was eligible, had two shoulder injuries and a knee injury and kept the job, playing through the injuries until his body couldn’t hold out while having a 5 and 1 record. He was replaced and underwent surgery. The next season he came back and won the starter’s job again. Unfortunately he suffered a season ending injury early on. He chose to medically retire at that point rather than go through all the rehab just to try to play with a bum shoulder and leg again. If you had actually followed what was going on at the time you’d know he didn’t “lose the job”. Going down with injury, then being replaced by someone the coaches think are better than you, so much so that you never see the field again, is in fact "losing the job". See, Jake Luton didn't lose the job, he was better than the guys they trotted out after he got injured. Del Rio...not so much.
Watched him play several times, Del Rio was awful. And I was rooting for the kid, I was pissed about what happened here.
Del Rio only played 2 games healthy. He had 6 TDS against 1 INT and almost 600 yards passing when he separated his shoulder. Went downhill from there.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 26, 2018 5:56:58 GMT -8
I'm just gonna go ahead and add this one last time, because this originated as a debate about the 2015 offense, which according to Wilkie was "loaded", vs. the 2018 offense. Neither Del Rio, nor Kempt, were on that roster, that was just a slick Wilkie way of changing the argument to his benefit. But, even had they been on that roster, I personally think they wouldn't have been very good QBs in 2015, in any offense. Certainly not as good as Luton in 2018, which wasn't great. But probably better than Collins, Mitchell, and who was that other freshman QB that started a few games...McMaryion? Also, claiming Kempt as some sort of future star in 2015 because of what he accomplished in 2017 is pure hindsight. He's listed as a "squad member" on the 2014 roster. Not one Beaver Fan I know was throwing bricks because he left the program.
LOL, anyway, I'm not changing any minds here, no one is changing my mind. The 2018 offense was better than 2015 offense, better players, better stats, better results, better everything. Even had Smith been the coach of that 2015 team, it still wouldn't have been as good as 2018.
Slick Wilky. I love it! The 2015 offensive roster was loaded, when compared to the returning talent of the 2017 offensive roster. Then, GAG pulled his GAG magic and chased away talent and buried the rest of the talent, in order to play guys who out-benched the talent. I can't use hindsight? This is all hindsight. Del Rio, Kempt, and McMaryion were all on the roster, and GAG chased away two buried the third third on the depth chart. When adjusted for schedule, the 2014 offense was ranked somewhere in the 62nd-66th range and was set to return nine starters. GAG coached that team down to the 96th-97th range. The 2017 offense was ranked somewhere in the 103rd-107th range and returned seven starters. The offense was putrid last year. Smitty coached them up to the 65th-70th range. Demonstrably, GAG did less with more and Smitty did more with less. Also, no f*#@ing way is Luton-Colleto-Blount better than the three-headed monster that was Del Rio-Kempt-McMaryion. 2017 Luton was not as good as 2017 McMaryion. If McMaryion had been with the ones all year, 2015 McMaryion would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Del Rio would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Kempt would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2018 Luton would have been fourth string on 2015, at best. No. Luton was far and away the best quarterback on this roster, but I am not going to pretend that he is near the level of quarterbacks that we all grew accustomed to in the Riley-Erickson-Riley Era. I am looking foward to Smitty remedying this immediately, upgrading the line, and putting together a defense that can stop somebody. But it's not Del Rio-Kempt-Collins is it. It is Collins-Mitchell-McMaryion. Here's a link to the actual 2015 roster, feel free to point out Del Rio and Kempt.
osubeavers.com/roster.aspx?roster=95&path=football
And why are you comparing 2017 McMaryion to 2017 Luton? The comparison is 2015 McMaryion to 2018 Luton! But just to fancy you, Jake Luton put up better stats in 2015 than Marcus McMaryion in 2015!
Now, if you want to compare the 2018/2019 offseason projected roster to the 2014/2015 projected roster, that's different. And quite frankly, if Luton get's his medical red-shirt, I'll take the 2018/2019 offseason projected roster...all freakin day! Because 2019 Luton will be heads and tails better than anyone OSU trotted out there in 2015. In fact, screw it, take Luton out of it, I'll still take the 2018/2019 roster, nearly everyone good is coming back...Jefferson, Pierce, Hodgins, Bradford, Baylor, breakout freshman...I'll take that group anyday over Woods, Brown, Bolden, Villamin, Dockery, Nall (breakout freshman).
If we want to play the offseason blame game, Niner is knee deep in fielding one of the worst defenses in OSU history.
So in summary, just to keep it apples and apples
2018 offensive roster < 2015 offensive roster Luton-Colleto-Blount > Collins-Mitchell-McMaryion (overwhelming statistical fact) Jefferson-Pierce-Bradford > Woods-Brown-Nall (overwhelming statistical fact) Hodgins-Hernandez-Bradford-Smalls-Noigi > Bolden-Villamin-Dockery-Jarmon-Vanderveen-Nall (overwhelming statistical fact) OL < OL - but for all that talent you guys claim was on that 2015, they sure played like s%#t.
2015 was not loaded, was never loaded, and quite frankly, was pretty awful when all is said and done. Other than Nall, who was no Jefferson his rookie year and limped to the finish line. 2018 is young, has huge potential, with two clear breakout stars and a guy in Bradford who will have a huge year next year.
Honestly, and I love the guy, but Woods might be the worst starting RB for OSU in 20 years. He wasn't even the best RB on his own roster 3 of 4 years. Villamin? Jarmon? Add Del Rio and Kempt if you want to play that game. These guys should never be associated with the term loaded.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 26, 2018 7:05:42 GMT -8
Villamin was quite good as a Freshman. Then the CGA revolving QB Wheel of Suck took over. Hodgins is a good receiver, but only when Luton was on the field. He was nonexistent when anyone else was behind center. That's definitely on the other QBs IMO - not sure how many times we screamed at Blount to step up and throw the ball this year. 9? I'll go with 9.
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Post by jrbeavo on Nov 26, 2018 8:10:12 GMT -8
Piling on further, the OL had Josh Mitchell, Isaac Seumalo, Gavin Andrews, Brayden Kearsley and Sean Harlow, plus Dustin Stanton as a junior with 300 pounds on him. The only reason Woods appeared to be a serviceable running back is because of that offensive line. 3 of those guys are on the 2 deep at any Pac12 school and one of them is starting at any Pac12 school. There is your key to the whole thing...that was solid, if not spectacular, o line. What we ran out there this year simply was not...they had their moments, but for the most part they were overmatched....never more tragically noticeable than against Oregon. Lot of necessary talk about upgrading the defense, but this is a position group I am very concerned about as well. Listening to Jim Wilson on the ride home, he said there are a couple of red shirts this year that he is very high on. That is encouraging, and it would be nice to sign a plug and play JC ..been a while since we have struck gold there.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 26, 2018 8:27:14 GMT -8
Piling on further, the OL had Josh Mitchell, Isaac Seumalo, Gavin Andrews, Brayden Kearsley and Sean Harlow, plus Dustin Stanton as a junior with 300 pounds on him. The only reason Woods appeared to be a serviceable running back is because of that offensive line. 3 of those guys are on the 2 deep at any Pac12 school and one of them is starting at any Pac12 school. There is your key to the whole thing...that was solid, if not spectacular, o line. What we ran out there this year simply was not...they had their moments, but for the most part they were overmatched....never more tragically noticeable than against Oregon. Lot of necessary talk about upgrading the defense, but this is a position group I am very concerned about as well. Listening to Jim Wilson on the ride home, he said there are a couple of red shirts this year that he is very high on. That is encouraging, and it would be nice to sign a plug and play JC ..been a while since we have struck gold there. When asked what needed the most improvement, CJS never hesitated. "Line of scrimmage, BOTH sides" 9er gets it!! He needs time to get it done. He doesn't want to go the JC transfer route for a quick fix, but I can't see how that would be a bad thing. Quality line play takes time.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2018 10:16:33 GMT -8
Villamin was quite good as a Freshman. Then the CGA revolving QB Wheel of Suck took over. Hodgins is a good receiver, but only when Luton was on the field. He was nonexistent when anyone else was behind center. That's definitely on the other QBs IMO - not sure how many times we screamed at Blount to step up and throw the ball this year. 9? I'll go with 9. Are you talking "9" as in times per game he played???
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 26, 2018 10:55:30 GMT -8
That's definitely on the other QBs IMO - not sure how many times we screamed at Blount to step up and throw the ball this year. 9? I'll go with 9. Are you talking "9" as in times per game he played??? Maybe. Yes. Probably.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Nov 26, 2018 12:45:47 GMT -8
Particularly in the Arizona game - it was painful to see the open receivers downfield that Connor couldn't progress to...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 26, 2018 13:27:40 GMT -8
Slick Wilky. I love it! The 2015 offensive roster was loaded, when compared to the returning talent of the 2017 offensive roster. Then, GAG pulled his GAG magic and chased away talent and buried the rest of the talent, in order to play guys who out-benched the talent. I can't use hindsight? This is all hindsight. Del Rio, Kempt, and McMaryion were all on the roster, and GAG chased away two buried the third third on the depth chart. When adjusted for schedule, the 2014 offense was ranked somewhere in the 62nd-66th range and was set to return nine starters. GAG coached that team down to the 96th-97th range. The 2017 offense was ranked somewhere in the 103rd-107th range and returned seven starters. The offense was putrid last year. Smitty coached them up to the 65th-70th range. Demonstrably, GAG did less with more and Smitty did more with less. Also, no f*#@ing way is Luton-Colleto-Blount better than the three-headed monster that was Del Rio-Kempt-McMaryion. 2017 Luton was not as good as 2017 McMaryion. If McMaryion had been with the ones all year, 2015 McMaryion would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Del Rio would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2015 Kempt would have been better than 2018 Luton. 2018 Luton would have been fourth string on 2015, at best. No. Luton was far and away the best quarterback on this roster, but I am not going to pretend that he is near the level of quarterbacks that we all grew accustomed to in the Riley-Erickson-Riley Era. I am looking foward to Smitty remedying this immediately, upgrading the line, and putting together a defense that can stop somebody. But it's not Del Rio-Kempt-Collins is it. It is Collins-Mitchell-McMaryion. Here's a link to the actual 2015 roster, feel free to point out Del Rio and Kempt.
osubeavers.com/roster.aspx?roster=95&path=football
And why are you comparing 2017 McMaryion to 2017 Luton? The comparison is 2015 McMaryion to 2018 Luton! But just to fancy you, Jake Luton put up better stats in 2015 than Marcus McMaryion in 2015!
Now, if you want to compare the 2018/2019 offseason projected roster to the 2014/2015 projected roster, that's different. And quite frankly, if Luton get's his medical red-shirt, I'll take the 2018/2019 offseason projected roster...all freakin day! Because 2019 Luton will be heads and tails better than anyone OSU trotted out there in 2015. In fact, screw it, take Luton out of it, I'll still take the 2018/2019 roster, nearly everyone good is coming back...Jefferson, Pierce, Hodgins, Bradford, Baylor, breakout freshman...I'll take that group anyday over Woods, Brown, Bolden, Villamin, Dockery, Nall (breakout freshman).
If we want to play the offseason blame game, Niner is knee deep in fielding one of the worst defenses in OSU history.
So in summary, just to keep it apples and apples
2018 offensive roster < 2015 offensive roster Luton-Colleto-Blount > Collins-Mitchell-McMaryion (overwhelming statistical fact) Jefferson-Pierce-Bradford > Woods-Brown-Nall (overwhelming statistical fact) Hodgins-Hernandez-Bradford-Smalls-Noigi > Bolden-Villamin-Dockery-Jarmon-Vanderveen-Nall (overwhelming statistical fact) OL < OL - but for all that talent you guys claim was on that 2015, they sure played like s%#t.
2015 was not loaded, was never loaded, and quite frankly, was pretty awful when all is said and done. Other than Nall, who was no Jefferson his rookie year and limped to the finish line. 2018 is young, has huge potential, with two clear breakout stars and a guy in Bradford who will have a huge year next year.
Honestly, and I love the guy, but Woods might be the worst starting RB for OSU in 20 years. He wasn't even the best RB on his own roster 3 of 4 years. Villamin? Jarmon? Add Del Rio and Kempt if you want to play that game. These guys should never be associated with the term loaded. First off, Del Rio and Kempt were part of the team. Both transferred out when it was made clear to them that they would not play. You want to compare 2015 McMaryion, who spent most of the year with the threes, with 2018 Luton, who spent most of the past two years with the ones? McMaryion in 2016 put up better numbers than Luton in 2018. McMaryion as #1 for all of fall camp would have put up better numbers than Luton. There is little doubt in my mind. Second, Jermar Jefferson counting for GAG? And counting Bradford as a running back? No. Jermar Jefferson was a Smitty recruit. The only running back that Smitty inherited on your list is Pierce. And Woods-Brown-Nall > Pierce. I will even throw in B.J. Baylor. Woods-Brown-Nall > Pierce-Baylor. Also, Woods was not a very good runner in Riley's zone blocking scheme. He was much better on stretch plays and sweeps. Less thinking. Less dancing. More instinctual. Woods was a better pass blocker and receiver than any running back on this year's team. I really hate how Woods was played. Woods would have been a great change-of-pace back to a Ward or a Nall. But he never should have been an every down back. The hits always seemed to take a lot out of him. I was saying it in 2013. I said it more in 2014. I will say it even more now. Statistically, the 2018 receiving class is better than the 2015 receiving class, but nobody in 2018 is as versatile as Bolden was. In 2014, he had 72 receptions for 798 yards and two touchdowns. And 19 carries for 118 yards. 91 touches for 916 yards. He also returned one punt for 44 yards. 92 touches for 960 yards.
In 2015, he had 46 receptions for 461 yards and three tocuhdowns and 36 carries for 185 yards. 82 touches for 646 yards and three touchdowns. Bolden also returned 24 kicks for 658 yards and two touchdowns (including a 78-yard punt return in the 2015 Civil War). 106 touches for 1,304 yards and five touchdowns.
Bolden > Bradford, who is the closest analog.
Hodgins v. Villamin? Villamin only was the starter for less than 6 1/2 conference games in 2014. In that time frame, he caught 32 passes for 546 yards and six touchdowns. That was against #2 Oregon, #6 Arizona State, #20 Utah, and Arizona State, Washington, California, and Washington State, which would finish ranked #25, #45, #59, and #81 by Sagarin, respectively. If we take Hodgins' best top 6 1/2 conference games, what do we get? 37 receptions for 556 yards and three touchdowns. That was against Washington, Stanford, Oregon, Arizona State, USC, California, and Colorado. Those teams were ranked #10, #23, #34, #42, #48, #53, and #71, respectively. Demonstrably worse teams than Villamin played against in 2014. On stats alone, I would take Villamin over Hodgins. Villamin showed a lot of talent under Riley. A decent offensive coordinator would have made Villamin great in 2015. Instead, GAG wasted Villamin. And Mullaney was better than them both, another talented player that GAG inherited but ran off for no good reason. (And that I cannot count by the rules that LV made up for no good reason.)
Hodgins looks faster than Villamin, but Villamin was stronger and had better hands. I think that Hodgins has a lot higher ceiling (specifically because he has the current staff to learn from) than Villamin, but Villamin with this staff (and with Hernandez rather than Jarmon) would have been better in 2015 than 2018 Hodgins.
I would say that the rest of the current receiving corps is better than the 2015 version. (I do not believe that that is true, if I can count Mullaney, because he was light years better than Hodgins.) Still, Hernandez is better than Jarmon. (But Jarmon's a better left fielder.) A healthy Togiai is better than Smith. Add in Smalls, and that argument gets even better. In total, the 2018 receiving corps is better, but I still think that we really could have used a Bolden in 2018.
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 26, 2018 13:40:13 GMT -8
Wait, wait, wait. Villamin had better hands than Hodgins? Or even had good hands at all? Uh-uh; no way. That guy had the stoniest hands I can remember wearing a Beaver uniform. Perhaps only surpassed by Obum Gwacham before he was moved to DE.
Villamin was a physical freak who was all raw talent, and remained so throughout his career. Hodgins is a much more polished receiver.
The one knock on Hodgins is that he seemed to disappear after that incredible Colorado game. Once DC's saw the threat he could be and gameplanned for him, he got shut down and our offense never really seemed to recover the rest of the season...
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Post by beaver94 on Nov 26, 2018 13:53:01 GMT -8
Wait, wait, wait. Villamin had better hands than Hodgins? Or even had good hands at all? Uh-uh; no way. That guy had the stoniest hands I can remember wearing a Beaver uniform. Perhaps only surpassed by Obum Gwacham before he was moved to DE. Villamin was a physical freak who was all raw talent, and remained so throughout his career. Hodgins is a much more polished receiver. The one knock on Hodgins is that he seemed to disappear after that incredible Colorado game. Once DC's saw the threat he could be and gameplanned for him, he got shut down and our offense never really seemed to recover the rest of the season... Villamin was wasted in 2015. I'm sorry but he had terrible Qb's throwing to him, half the time behind him, and usually seemed surprised when the ball was on target and on time. The part that I do find indefensible is that I do also believe that he gave up and didn't give his all that season.
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