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Post by orangeattack on Nov 28, 2018 16:24:22 GMT -8
Nothing was funnier than Erickson telling the media that Cesca went to hang himself after a game but when he went to kick the chair out from underneath himself... he missed. Makes you wonder how Erickson would of done here in the era of twitter. message boards were barely even around. Somebody else would have had to do it for him. There's no way you could have gotten the Silver Fox on twitter, hell I think the only ones who would have been lower odds of participating would have been Mark Banker and Greg Newhouse - those salty dogs have no patience for stupid s%#t lol
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 28, 2018 16:26:09 GMT -8
Makes you wonder how Erickson would of done here in the era of twitter. message boards were barely even around. Somebody else would have had to do it for him. There's no way you could have gotten the Silver Fox on twitter, hell I think the only ones who would have been lower odds of participating would have been Mark Banker and Greg Newhouse - those salty dogs have no patience for stupid s%#t lol I have a feeling the poster was referencing DE photos and such that would make it on twitter...ie DE and crew at the Royal Pacific.
Not DE tweeting.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 28, 2018 16:54:00 GMT -8
The second of course being "You can't coach speed"--- And more of it...please. More SPEED. Especially on D! I have been wondering lately if the "need for speed" has contributed to the lack of size/bulk of defenders. Especially in the PAC12. When the Chipster began running around everyone in the conference, every team seemed to want speedy defenders and were/are willing to trade size to get them. I think the best defense against the spread is a stout DL that can penetrate and disrupt the RPO while occupying offensive linemen. There is a reason the PAC sucked last year in bowl games. Could this be part of it?
Go Beavs!!
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 28, 2018 18:04:05 GMT -8
The second of course being "You can't coach speed"--- And more of it...please. More SPEED. Especially on D! I have been wondering lately if the "need for speed" has contributed to the lack of size/bulk of defenders. Especially in the PAC12. When the Chipster began running around everyone in the conference, every team seemed to want speedy defenders and were/are willing to trade size to get them. I think the best defense against the spread is a stout DL that can penetrate and disrupt the RPO while occupying offensive linemen. There is a reason the PAC sucked last year in bowl games. Could this be part of it?
Go Beavs!!
I never understood the "fight speed with speed". The ucks struggled vs teams with bulk/strength. Any team that could get consistent penetrations messed up blocking schemes and mesh points. They are the teams had success... Furd, SC, Auburn types. Yes those teams had "speed" but what hurt the ucks was strength/bulk (with depth) that could dominate their more "athletic OL". Those teams also had a back 6-7 that flew to the football not waited around. Fight finesse with brute strength and schemes of your own... fly to the football and make the finesse team make adjustments and switch plays. You get burned some, but the goal is to beat the s%#t out of them until conditioning isn't the factor, physicality is.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 28, 2018 20:28:27 GMT -8
I have been wondering lately if the "need for speed" has contributed to the lack of size/bulk of defenders. Especially in the PAC12. When the Chipster began running around everyone in the conference, every team seemed to want speedy defenders and were/are willing to trade size to get them. I think the best defense against the spread is a stout DL that can penetrate and disrupt the RPO while occupying offensive linemen. There is a reason the PAC sucked last year in bowl games. Could this be part of it?
Go Beavs!!
I never understood the "fight speed with speed". The ucks struggled vs teams with bulk/strength. Any team that could get consistent penetrations messed up blocking schemes and mesh points. They are the teams had success... Furd, SC, Auburn types. Yes those teams had "speed" but what hurt the ucks was strength/bulk (with depth) that could dominate their more "athletic OL". Those teams also had a back 6-7 that flew to the football not waited around. Fight finesse with brute strength and schemes of your own... fly to the football and make the finesse team make adjustments and switch plays. You get burned some, but the goal is to beat the s%#t out of them until conditioning isn't the factor, physicality is. The Coug's have owned the ducks for a while now. Outside the P12 officials deliberately manufacturing the outcome in 2014 it would be 6 in a row. Without some help that game would have kept Mariota from winning Heisman and ducks from going to playoff.
I digress, my main point is WSU has an undersized defensive front and has countered with speed up front and shifts to mak blocking assignments and reads difficult on the ducks. How do you beat a duck QB? make him think beyond the rehearsed first read. The combination of pressure and taking away the easy first read and things go south in a hurry.
Agree with what you stated about physicality, just offering an example where the other team has beat them consistently a different way.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Nov 28, 2018 20:57:27 GMT -8
Those being football related of course. #1... "Another scotch... neat" Nothing was funnier than Erickson telling the media that Cesca went to hang himself after a game but when he went to kick the chair out from underneath himself... he missed. Dennis could hold a room. It was quite remarkable to watch him in the moment
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 28, 2018 21:06:59 GMT -8
Makes you wonder how Erickson would of done here in the era of twitter. message boards were barely even around. Somebody else would have had to do it for him. There's no way you could have gotten the Silver Fox on twitter, hell I think the only ones who would have been lower odds of participating would have been Mark Banker and Greg Newhouse - those salty dogs have no patience for stupid s%#t lol @ericksonutes Looks like he had a reasonably active twitter account when he was at Utah. Not sure if it was all him or someone else posting for him.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2018 8:07:37 GMT -8
Somebody else would have had to do it for him. There's no way you could have gotten the Silver Fox on twitter, hell I think the only ones who would have been lower odds of participating would have been Mark Banker and Greg Newhouse - those salty dogs have no patience for stupid s%#t lol I have a feeling the poster was referencing DE photos and such that would make it on twitter...ie DE and crew at the Royal Pacific.
Not DE tweeting.
Correct. that is what I am going for. We are in a brave new world of righteous indignation. Twitter is the peddler of it. I can just imagine the outrage today if this was 2018, not 2000, and some blog writing hack wanted to pitch a fit about his off color jokes. Back then it was just to a room of actual salaried journalists with tape recorders who would have a hearty chuckle and then move on.
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Post by caladin on Nov 29, 2018 10:02:58 GMT -8
After watching tOSU ring up 62 on Michigan, the #1 defense, plus ending the game inside the Wolverine 10 by taking a knee instead of punching it in, the actual difference between being the best and the 2nd worst (us) appears to be minimal as strange as this looks. When O-units are potent and do not choke away their chances to score, it appears D in football is as much an afterthought in today's game as D was in the NBA back in the Seventies, when everyone scored 100 most of the time. All you needed to do was interrupt the flow of the opponent just enough to have a shot at collecting the W.
Oregon had 21 at the half. We should have had 20 but for some reason, the team could not make it work when their chances came. Had they done so, the 2018 CW heads into the 4th quarter with both teams having a chance to win. The same could have been said of several of our games this season. Just make the other O-unit run more plays to create more chances of them making a miscue. We did that in the 1st half.
Next year's goal is not to have a shutdown D. A fat lot of good that did for Michigan! Instead we need to gamble equally on D by jumping routes and doing blitzes just as we gamble on O. Cal's blitz packages were among the best ones in the Pac-12 and deserve study. Every now and then this approach will bite us in the butt but doing nothing means increasing the odds of losing. Conservative playcalling on either side of the ball will not work except in certain situations. There is just too much talent out there to contain! Heck, Stanford had to struggle with a so-so UCLA team to win in a shootout today. Once we get competitive, it will be our turn to white-knuckle it most weeks and while we are undergoing nervous fits, so will the other side!
Here's to understanding the metagame. I hope touch football defense is the new thing in football. Ahead of the curve with that technique. Seriously, getting some defenders on the field with better feet for tackling and pursuit of the quarterback will make the defense improve. Just that alone. Hopefully the recruiting deciders are looking at the footwork and getting legit 40 times before they offer schollies. And then coach the basics better, please. You mention Michigan- i find it interesting how much faster Ohio State was despite Michigan's top ten recruiting. Speed to Mass index is everything and somebody at ohio state does a better job of not recruiting slow twitch guys than Michigan is doing. Oregon State needs to do a better job of evaluation in their own choices. Sure, its a different pool of recruits than for Michigan and Ohio State but having an eye for talent isnt just checking how many stars a kid has. Jim Gilstrap where are you know? Interesting that you evoke Jim. I was thinking the other day that the demise of Riley started with the loss of Jim. Look at our record and our last great years were with recruits that Jim helped identify. Jim left us in 2007 and if you assume he was looking at HS Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors he was greatly involved in our 2008 class and somewhat involved in our 2009 and 2010 classes. After those years the diamonds in the rough stopped arriving. This innate skill Jim had is critical to the future success of JS.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2018 10:12:37 GMT -8
I hope touch football defense is the new thing in football. Ahead of the curve with that technique. Seriously, getting some defenders on the field with better feet for tackling and pursuit of the quarterback will make the defense improve. Just that alone. Hopefully the recruiting deciders are looking at the footwork and getting legit 40 times before they offer schollies. And then coach the basics better, please. You mention Michigan- i find it interesting how much faster Ohio State was despite Michigan's top ten recruiting. Speed to Mass index is everything and somebody at ohio state does a better job of not recruiting slow twitch guys than Michigan is doing. Oregon State needs to do a better job of evaluation in their own choices. Sure, its a different pool of recruits than for Michigan and Ohio State but having an eye for talent isnt just checking how many stars a kid has. Jim Gilstrap where are you know? Interesting that you evoke Jim. I was thinking the other day that the demise of Riley started with the loss of Jim. Look at our record and our last great years were with recruits that Jim helped identify. Jim left us in 2007 and if you assume he was looking at HS Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors he was greatly involved in our 2008 class and somewhat involved in our 2009 and 2010 classes. After those years the diamonds in the rough stopped arriving. This innate skill Jim had is critical to the future success of JS. Absolutely Gilly was a huge loss, and really nobody on even the staff had an idea how important he was, I read somewhere a comment about recruiting and Riley making a comment 2-3 years down the road that they never realized just how much they would miss Coach Gilly. What was so funny about Gilly is that he had a tremendous eye for talent but he had absolutely no idea what was going on day to day in recruiting, heard many stories about how he would react with surprise when someone congratulated the staff on getting a commitment. "Oh he did, really? That's great!!" This would be multiple days after a very high profile recruit had announced his verbal to Oregon State. Jim Gilstrap was a gem, an absolute gem. They don't make them like him any more.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2018 10:14:38 GMT -8
Somebody else would have had to do it for him. There's no way you could have gotten the Silver Fox on twitter, hell I think the only ones who would have been lower odds of participating would have been Mark Banker and Greg Newhouse - those salty dogs have no patience for stupid s%#t lol @ericksonutes Looks like he had a reasonably active twitter account when he was at Utah. Not sure if it was all him or someone else posting for him. Not for nothing, but this is the kinder, gentler version of DE... the cranky, fire-breathing version from 20 years ago is the one I was chuckling imagining someone trying to talk him into putting down his scotch and participating.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2018 12:10:39 GMT -8
@ericksonutes Looks like he had a reasonably active twitter account when he was at Utah. Not sure if it was all him or someone else posting for him. Not for nothing, but this is the kinder, gentler version of DE... the cranky, fire-breathing version from 20 years ago is the one I was chuckling imagining someone trying to talk him into putting down his scotch and participating. He would have done what he usually did... have someone else do it for him... like a lot of the coaching at practice!
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2018 12:20:33 GMT -8
Not for nothing, but this is the kinder, gentler version of DE... the cranky, fire-breathing version from 20 years ago is the one I was chuckling imagining someone trying to talk him into putting down his scotch and participating. He would have done what he usually did... have someone else do it for him... like a lot of the coaching at practice! lmao are we talking about St. Dennis or are we talking about Gregg Smith coaching the OL from the bleachers with a brown bag wrapped bottle?
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 29, 2018 12:27:44 GMT -8
He would have done what he usually did... have someone else do it for him... like a lot of the coaching at practice! lmao are we talking about St. Dennis or are we talking about Gregg Smith coaching the OL from the bleachers with a brown bag wrapped bottle? Ha... Gregg let me sit in on meetings and practices. At the time I was gauging the differences in coaching levels. He and Ray Braun (old time Beaver staff member) were a wealth of knowledge and offered me great opportunities to hang around D1 and NFL staff and practices. I will say GS did more than most thought, and certainly I thought was better than MC for the most part. But... boy were they old school! Alcohol was welcomed everywhere and there was no such thing as being PC
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 29, 2018 13:27:42 GMT -8
lmao are we talking about St. Dennis or are we talking about Gregg Smith coaching the OL from the bleachers with a brown bag wrapped bottle? Ha... Gregg let me sit in on meetings and practices. At the time I was gauging the differences in coaching levels. He and Ray Braun (old time Beaver staff member) were a wealth of knowledge and offered me great opportunities to hang around D1 and NFL staff and practices. I will say GS did more than most thought, and certainly I thought was better than MC for the most part. But... boy were they old school! Alcohol was welcomed everywhere and there was no such thing as being PC Smith could coach, but man did we really slack off in recruiting the OL under Erickson. I still wonder what that 01 season would have been like if DiDominco hadn't left the team.
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