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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 27, 2018 15:25:44 GMT -8
Just to take it a little further, no one went nuts when Saint Mike dumped Ryan Katz for Sean Mannion. The next year at San Diego State, Katz did have a better statistical year: Rating 151.6 to 138.8. TD/Int 13/4 to 15/13. Yards per attempt 8.3 to 7.9. Both teams went to bowls and lost. Just didn't hear about Katz' success week after week. I kind of had issue with that move at the time but it all worked out for the better. But, I had issue with Katz being shown the door.
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Post by obf on Nov 27, 2018 15:59:11 GMT -8
Just to take it a little further, no one went nuts when Saint Mike dumped Ryan Katz for Sean Mannion. The next year at San Diego State, Katz did have a better statistical year: Rating 151.6 to 138.8. TD/Int 13/4 to 15/13. Yards per attempt 8.3 to 7.9. Both teams went to bowls and lost. Just didn't hear about Katz' success week after week. I kind of had issue with that move at the time but it all worked out for the better. But, I had issue with Katz being shown the door. Not to put too fine of a point on it... But MANY folks were pi$$ed about Katz being benched. You have to recall that Katz was finally a much longed for attempt at moving from the typical "statue" style Riley QB to a more athletic, maybe avoid a sack or two, maybe even run for a first down a couple times a year QB. Katz even kinda, sorta looked like a *gasp* uck QB... which again many people were banging the drum for. Just to go back to the protot-typical white, statue in Mannion, I am not sure where you all were, but in my cicles in Corvallis, this did NOT sit well. We had also just lost to Sac State, so there was plenty of anger and vitriol to go around, for MR, for Katz, for Mannion, For the ball boy... If anything the vitriol levied at "Saint Mike" at the time, and really whenever there was a QB "controversy" (Remeber the "Can Riley" posters?) was way more than what QA has gotten. Specifically, and I personally know this bothered MR a lot, he was accused or being racist for benching Katz, even some media members hinted at it. It certainly caused some flame wars on PO and the like... That was a long time ago we tend to forget these things, but MR got raked over the coals, all the time, for LOTS of things, QB decisions, time outs, play calling, assistant coaches, etc. etc. Benching Katz was no different.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 27, 2018 16:12:21 GMT -8
Does anyone really think that he would be going anywhere had he been the starting QB all season. Devil incarnate picks a starting player and the designated #2 transfers, then he has been run off. A saint or the new guy does the same thing, and it is just one of those things that moving on is just something that had to be done. We're inheriting from Nebraska just for that reason. The difference was that Blount was a walk-on who immediately was in the mix playing for a pathetic evaluator of QB competence, while McMaryion was a well-thought-of, 3 star scholarship kid coming out of high school for a coach with a proven ability to evaluate QB talent. I have nothing against Blount, but our ceiling with him on the field was static and pedestrian, especially against defenses that could get pressure up the middle. He couldn’t see over the line - greatly inhibiting his ability to exploit any advantage in the middle of the field. I also think that played a part in his tendency to bail from the pocket early with any type of push from the opponent up front. I felt like Blount gave us a max effort every time out, and even made some really good intermediate throws at times, but any D1 team relying on him to be a consistent difference-maker against real competition would be in for a long season, IMO. Few walk-on kids have the mettle that JS himself had to rise up and be a legit leader at this level. Niner was “too short”, but he was a pure pocket QB with a really good arm, pocket presence, judgement and leadership qualities. It’s no knock on this kid personally, and I hope that he finds success wherever he ends up. IMO, this is nothing like 3M, who was the guy for every meaningful win in Anderpants’ tenure here. Blount wasn’t the guy in any victory.
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Post by ag87 on Nov 27, 2018 16:43:25 GMT -8
I kind of had issue with that move at the time but it all worked out for the better. But, I had issue with Katz being shown the door. Specifically, and I personally know this bothered MR a lot, he was accused or being racist for benching Katz, even some media members hinted at it. Am I really naive? What is Katz' heritage? Isn't it European? Is it middle eastern? I had never heard anyone hint that Mannion was starting because of his ethnicity. I did always think Mannion on a naked bootleg once in the first few games was a good idea to maybe keep the defense more honest.
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Post by joeavocado on Nov 27, 2018 16:58:45 GMT -8
I kind of had issue with that move at the time but it all worked out for the better. But, I had issue with Katz being shown the door. Not to put too fine of a point on it... But MANY folks were pi$$ed about Katz being benched. You have to recall that Katz was finally a much longed for attempt at moving from the typical "statue" style Riley QB to a more athletic, maybe avoid a sack or two, maybe even run for a first down a couple times a year QB. Katz even kinda, sorta looked like a *gasp* uck QB... which again many people were banging the drum for. Just to go back to the protot-typical white, statue in Mannion, I am not sure where you all were, but in my cicles in Corvallis, this did NOT sit well. We had also just lost to Sac State, so there was plenty of anger and vitriol to go around, for MR, for Katz, for Mannion, For the ball boy... If anything the vitriol levied at "Saint Mike" at the time, and really whenever there was a QB "controversy" (Remeber the "Can Riley" posters?) was way more than what QA has gotten. Specifically, and I personally know this bothered MR a lot, he was accused or being racist for benching Katz, even some media members hinted at it. It certainly caused some flame wars on PO and the like... That was a long time ago we tend to forget these things, but MR got raked over the coals, all the time, for LOTS of things, QB decisions, time outs, play calling, assistant coaches, etc. etc. Benching Katz was no different. By halftime of the Sac St debacle in 2011 I was done with Katz. He wasn't bad in 2010, OSU beat teams like Louisville, AZ schools, and USC. Something changed after USC though and the last two games Katz was horrific, throwing 6 interceptions in blowout losses to Stanford and Oregon to miss a bowl game. He wasn't the running threat I expected, probably due to being in a system that didn't know how to use a running QB. He finished with 14 yards rushing in 78 attempts, I recall him holding onto the ball too long, similar to Blount. Having a solid running game with Quiz hid some flaws on offense. Katz seemed to be in a complete funk ending 2010 and then his first half in 2011 against Sac St wasn't much better - 11 for 22 with an int and 87 yards. Mannion enters and goes 8 for 12, 143 yards to bring the Beavers back to tie before a missed FG costs OSU the game. I think 2011 was destined to be a non-bowl season and Riley knew it, so he went with the younger pro-style statue QB that had a bright future and Riley was comfortable to build for the future. Mannion had some growing pains in 2011, but that led to the 2012 season going 9-4. That 2011 season was rebuilding post-Jaquizz, a new QB, 3-9 record, Can-Riley fiasco, etc. What is interesting during that painful year was OSU averaging 42,420 at Reser, there was passion about the program, the coaching staff, the future. Unfortunately the passion has disappeared for the most part, and it's not easy to get back.
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 27, 2018 17:24:33 GMT -8
I wish Connor the best; he gave his best for us out there on the field and we should give him the best in hoping for future success wherever he lands. Thank you Mr. Blount!
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 28, 2018 11:44:35 GMT -8
Not to put too fine of a point on it... But MANY folks were pi$$ed about Katz being benched. You have to recall that Katz was finally a much longed for attempt at moving from the typical "statue" style Riley QB to a more athletic, maybe avoid a sack or two, maybe even run for a first down a couple times a year QB. Katz even kinda, sorta looked like a *gasp* uck QB... which again many people were banging the drum for. Just to go back to the protot-typical white, statue in Mannion, I am not sure where you all were, but in my cicles in Corvallis, this did NOT sit well. We had also just lost to Sac State, so there was plenty of anger and vitriol to go around, for MR, for Katz, for Mannion, For the ball boy... If anything the vitriol levied at "Saint Mike" at the time, and really whenever there was a QB "controversy" (Remeber the "Can Riley" posters?) was way more than what QA has gotten. Specifically, and I personally know this bothered MR a lot, he was accused or being racist for benching Katz, even some media members hinted at it. It certainly caused some flame wars on PO and the like... That was a long time ago we tend to forget these things, but MR got raked over the coals, all the time, for LOTS of things, QB decisions, time outs, play calling, assistant coaches, etc. etc. Benching Katz was no different. By halftime of the Sac St debacle in 2011 I was done with Katz. He wasn't bad in 2010, OSU beat teams like Louisville, AZ schools, and USC. Something changed after USC though and the last two games Katz was horrific, throwing 6 interceptions in blowout losses to Stanford and Oregon to miss a bowl game. He wasn't the running threat I expected, probably due to being in a system that didn't know how to use a running QB. He finished with 14 yards rushing in 78 attempts, I recall him holding onto the ball too long, similar to Blount. Having a solid running game with Quiz hid some flaws on offense. Katz seemed to be in a complete funk ending 2010 and then his first half in 2011 against Sac St wasn't much better - 11 for 22 with an int and 87 yards. Mannion enters and goes 8 for 12, 143 yards to bring the Beavers back to tie before a missed FG costs OSU the game. I think 2011 was destined to be a non-bowl season and Riley knew it, so he went with the younger pro-style statue QB that had a bright future and Riley was comfortable to build for the future. Mannion had some growing pains in 2011, but that led to the 2012 season going 9-4. That 2011 season was rebuilding post-Jaquizz, a new QB, 3-9 record, Can-Riley fiasco, etc. What is interesting during that painful year was OSU averaging 42,420 at Reser, there was passion about the program, the coaching staff, the future. Unfortunately the passion has disappeared for the most part, and it's not easy to get back. I had some criticism with how we chose to try and use Katz against Wisconsin, to come in and run a few running plays. Other than that, it was hard to argue with the results, Mannion was a better QB than Katz, period. So the following year, even though he had a marginally better season at San Diego State against lower grade competition, nobody was pining for Katz like we were pining for a competent QB like 3M
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Nov 28, 2018 16:40:41 GMT -8
"His best passing performance came against Utah State..." Utah State? ... Ya mean Southern Utah?
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