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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 28, 2018 17:07:50 GMT -8
Can't stand the thought of Anderpants on the sideline of the Rose Bowl
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 17:13:15 GMT -8
want the beavs in the championship game. But at least give a Don't Care option for your poll.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 28, 2018 17:45:13 GMT -8
Utah should not be in a Rose Bowl before the Beavs. Colorado either for that matter. It ain’t right.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 28, 2018 18:19:01 GMT -8
Utah should not be in a Rose Bowl before the Beavs. Colorado either for that matter. It ain’t right. Before? I don’t get it.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 28, 2018 19:58:40 GMT -8
Utah should not be in a Rose Bowl before the Beavs. Colorado either for that matter. It ain’t right. I get what you're saying, but the fact is they have some advantages.
1. Coaching consistency, Whittingham's 15th year. They stuck with him through a rocky start after moving to P12 and it's paid off. First three years:
8-5 5-7 5-7 Since then he's won 9 or more games 4 of last 5 years.
2. They have a much deeper in state talent pool, especially for bigs.
3. Don't have to compete with an instate Power 5 conference school for said talent. They have to compete with BYU to a degree for some players, but BYU is restrictive on who they can go after and only some who are eligible to attend BYU want to attend BYU, benefit Utah.
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Post by gzr on Nov 28, 2018 20:09:48 GMT -8
Utah should not be in a Rose Bowl before the Beavs. Colorado either for that matter. It ain’t right. I get what you're saying, but the fact is they have some advantages.
1. Coaching consistency, Whittingham's 15th year. They stuck with him through a rocky start after moving to P12 and it's paid off. First three years:
8-5 5-7 5-7 Since then he's won 9 or more games 4 of last 5 years.
2. They have a much deeper in state talent pool, especially for bigs.
3. Don't have to compete with an instate Power 5 conference school for said talent. They have to compete with BYU to a degree for some players, but BYU is restrictive on who they can go after and only some who are eligible to attend BYU want to attend BYU, benefit Utah.
Honest question--(and not disputing statement #2) Why is their talent pool deeper? Utah population 3.1 mm, Oregon population 4.1mm (Wiki)--each state has one large population center and two or three medium centers. Both states have large rural areas and large areas of "desert".
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 28, 2018 20:57:25 GMT -8
I get what you're saying, but the fact is they have some advantages.
1. Coaching consistency, Whittingham's 15th year. They stuck with him through a rocky start after moving to P12 and it's paid off. First three years:
8-5 5-7 5-7 Since then he's won 9 or more games 4 of last 5 years.
2. They have a much deeper in state talent pool, especially for bigs.
3. Don't have to compete with an instate Power 5 conference school for said talent. They have to compete with BYU to a degree for some players, but BYU is restrictive on who they can go after and only some who are eligible to attend BYU want to attend BYU, benefit Utah.
Honest question--(and not disputing statement #2) Why is their talent pool deeper? Good question considering Oregon is over 4 million people now compared to 3 for Utah. The difference is in the types of players. High school football is big in Utah which may account for some, but a lot of it is genetic.
The number one recruit in Utah this year is a DT who's committed to Alabama. See below for 2018. In 2017 again it was a DT who committed to USC. In 2016 it was a WR who committed to Stanford, but 2 and 3 were both D linemen
Last years top Utah recruits in order of rank by 247:
1. OG sdtr 2. OT Texas 3. DE Alabama 4. OG Washington 5. QB WSU 6. LB Utah 7. LB Vanderbilt 8. OG Utah 9. OT Utah 10. LB Washington 11. DT Utah 12. DT Utah 13. QB BYU
14. TE BYU
15. OT BYU
See a pattern above? A lot of O and D linemen on that list. Compared to the Beaver state which only had a few of which we got two.
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Post by nexus73 on Nov 28, 2018 20:57:55 GMT -8
From a chance to win more than one bowl perspective, I want the Huskies to win the conference title game and play in the Rose Bowl, where I figure they give our conference the best chance to win. Utah is playing their backup QB and RB at this time AFAIK. Let the Utes have a lesser opponent so their injuries can be offset by their physicality and give them a chance to win.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 28, 2018 21:34:19 GMT -8
Honest question--(and not disputing statement #2) Why is their talent pool deeper? Good question considering Oregon is over 4 million people now compared to 3 for Utah. The difference is in the types of players. High school football is big in Utah which may account for some, but a lot of it is genetic.
The number one recruit in Utah this year is a DT who's committed to Alabama. See below for 2018. In 2017 again it was a DT who committed to USC. In 2016 it was a WR who committed to Stanford, but 2 and 3 were both D linemen
Last years top Utah recruits in order of rank by 247:
1. OG sdtr 2. OT Texas 3. DE Alabama 4. OG Washington 5. QB WSU 6. LB Utah 7. LB Vanderbilt 8. OG Utah 9. OT Utah 10. LB Washington 11. DT Utah 12. DT Utah 13. QB BYU
14. TE BYU
15. OT BYU
See a pattern above? A lot of O and D linemen on that list. Compared to the Beaver state which only had a few of which we got two.
Don't want to slight it, but religion is a factor I believe. A lot of "Polys"/Mormons move their families or kids to attend schools in Utah. How many on that list of 24 are Poly??
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 28, 2018 23:14:57 GMT -8
Good question considering Oregon is over 4 million people now compared to 3 for Utah. The difference is in the types of players. High school football is big in Utah which may account for some, but a lot of it is genetic.
The number one recruit in Utah this year is a DT who's committed to Alabama. See below for 2018. In 2017 again it was a DT who committed to USC. In 2016 it was a WR who committed to Stanford, but 2 and 3 were both D linemen
Last years top Utah recruits in order of rank by 247:
1. OG sdtr 2. OT Texas 3. DE Alabama 4. OG Washington 5. QB WSU 6. LB Utah 7. LB Vanderbilt 8. OG Utah 9. OT Utah 10. LB Washington 11. DT Utah 12. DT Utah 13. QB BYU
14. TE BYU
15. OT BYU
See a pattern above? A lot of O and D linemen on that list. Compared to the Beaver state which only had a few of which we got two.
Don't want to slight it, but religion is a factor I believe. A lot of "Polys"/Mormons move their families or kids to attend schools in Utah. How many on that list of 24 are Poly?? A lot.
When you can recruit two top 50 DT's and two top 50 O linemen from your own state, like Utah did in just last years class, that's a nice home state advantage.
We're doing a nice job this year of locking up several top in state recruits, but only two are linemen(dline), and neither is rated top 50. Doesn't mean they won't be, just not there yet size wise.
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Post by seastape on Nov 29, 2018 1:27:31 GMT -8
Can't stand the thought of Anderpants on the sideline of the Rose Bowl
Agreed … I used to really like Utah (for no reason whatsoever) but now that our former coach is there they have fallen to just a small notch above uo.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 29, 2018 9:58:23 GMT -8
I get what you're saying, but the fact is they have some advantages.
1. Coaching consistency, Whittingham's 15th year. They stuck with him through a rocky start after moving to P12 and it's paid off. First three years:
8-5 5-7 5-7 Since then he's won 9 or more games 4 of last 5 years.
2. They have a much deeper in state talent pool, especially for bigs.
3. Don't have to compete with an instate Power 5 conference school for said talent. They have to compete with BYU to a degree for some players, but BYU is restrictive on who they can go after and only some who are eligible to attend BYU want to attend BYU, benefit Utah.
Honest question--(and not disputing statement #2) Why is their talent pool deeper? Utah population 3.1 3M, Oregon population 4.1mm (Wiki)--each state has one large population center and two or three medium centers. Both states have large rural areas and large areas of "desert". One thing that I’ve noted when I’ve been in the Utah Valley is the disproportionately large Poly population - maybe second only to Hawaii? (Just guessing here). They are nuts about football in that area, and a lot of the Poly kids tend to have frames that can add weight and strength without sacrificing their mobility. The Utes and BYU are loaded with these boys who become men, especially if they go on their LDS missions and are 22 and 23 year old juniors. The truth is that we battle Utah (and win our share of those battles) for a lot of kids. The star ratings on their roster would be negligibly different than on our roster, but the combination of a well-entrenched system, consistent and solid coaching, and a roster filled with players who fit that system very well has given the Utes a clear edge the past few seasons. My personal bias is that the emphasis on defense (which is the culture at Utah, Stanford and UW) gives those schools a chance to be a tough out even in their weakest states. While I agree that interesting and exciting offense is the quickest way to entertain when you’re building a program (see Leach and the Cougs), I feel that a serious contender has to be solid and clear on their identity defensively. If they plan to win championships in any scenario that is not a total fluke, they have to be competent offensively, but to really be consistently tough, you have to have a good defense. Reliance on scoring a boatload to win puts too much pressure on the O. Alabama is the ultimate example, putting their best athletes on D (although they are freakish all over their roster). I feel like Wilcox is building something legitimate at Cal, and his foundation is defense, which is 180 from what Cal had been known for the previous couple of decades. Defense is where Utah has us by miles (well, pretty much everyone does right now, unfortunately. I would rather watch wide open offensive football as a general fan, but I have been scared to death every time that our defense has taken the field the past 5 years. Bankers defenses frustrated me with their lack of adjustments when the talent level wasn’t up to their normal standards. Sitake never got untracked in trying to mold a brand new group of kids and bailing after year #1 (smart guy). Clune appeared to have no clue in the totally clueless dumpster fire that Anderpants created. Let’s see what Tibs is able to do between last Friday and our opener next fall. I like where the offense is heading (better, IMO, than Utah’s even this past season), but until we get things cleaned up on the defensive side of the ball, Utah’s 3-stars will continue to outperform our 3-stars.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 29, 2018 10:39:16 GMT -8
Utah is my second least favorite college football program in the country even without the GAG connection (but certainly exacerbated by that). Few other reasons...fanbase seems super arrogant based on various anecdotes I've come across over the years, the "Muss", online harrassment Noah Togiai received when he committed to the Beavs over Utah, the screwjob we got in SLC in 2008, etc. Just, screw them. Go Huskies. I am not a “fan” of the Utes, but if you’ve been around for long, you know that Huskies fans were insufferable in the ‘80’s and 90’ - by any measure right there with jump on the bandwagon duck fans. They were humbled often during the first decade of this millenium, almost appearing to be “decent”. They are resuming their old ways in the wake of their recent return to success. It’s laughable to use the arrogance of the Ute fans as a justification to root alongside of Husky fans. The Anderpants angle, I sort of get that, although I see him as more a bit player making a cameo appearance in a program in which he doesn’t have the influence to mess it up. He’s nothing to me now - I’m just grateful that he’s Utah’s problem, and no longer our’s.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2018 12:38:11 GMT -8
Utah is my second least favorite college football program in the country even without the GAG connection (but certainly exacerbated by that). Few other reasons...fanbase seems super arrogant based on various anecdotes I've come across over the years, the "Muss", online harrassment Noah Togiai received when he committed to the Beavs over Utah, the screwjob we got in SLC in 2008, etc. Just, screw them. Go Huskies. I was on the fence on this one, but you sold me. That f@#*ing hatchet-job 2008 game. What a joke! The fact that Oregon State had a four-game winning streak against Washington at the time (and a winning streak that would eventually mushroom into a six-game winning streak) also sways me.
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Post by gzr on Nov 29, 2018 12:51:05 GMT -8
Thanks for the thoughtful information and replies to my question about depth of talent.
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