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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 3, 2018 22:24:15 GMT -8
Four's not enough. Eight is too many. How about six? Ohio State at Notre Dame and Georgia at Oklahoma. Higher seed plays Alabama in the Orange Bowl. Lower seed plays Clemson in the Cotton Bowl. Fin. No need for Eight. The Cotton Bowl is Clemson v. Notre Dame. Go Domers! Love 'em or hate 'em, you watch 'em. The Rose Bowl is really the Rose Bowl. Always excited about that. Northwestern v. Utah in the almost Rose Bowl. Both teams lost championship games to fall to San Diego. Should be a good game, even if Utah's coaching staff has 1-2 questionable characters. Marcus McM playing against Arizona State in the Las Vegas Bowl. That's hard to beat. Kyle Kempt may play against Washington State in the Alamo Bowl. Almost as good. Minnesota v. Georgia Tech in the Quick Lane Bowl. Paul Johnson is retiring, which means that Georgia Tech could be great soon. Two of my favorite teams. I like the Gophers, and who can't quote at least a stanza or two of Georgia Tech's fight song? Houston v. Army. Always fun to watch the service teams. Unless you hate America. Miami v. Wisconsin in the Pinstripe. Two good teams that wound up in the new Gotham Bowl. It should be entertaining. Toledo v. Florida International in the Bahamas Bowl. Butch Davis is coaching Florida International, which is generally an entertaining team. The games in the Bahamas tend to be pretty surreal. Yeah... makes zero sense! Two teams going into the semis play an extra game? In football that is crazy talk. Yep... two better/ higher seeded teams get to rest while their opponents thrash each other. Six makes sense. Top 2. Next 4. Then, everyone else. Eight? What the hell's the point? If you're Alabama and Georgia, do you even play your starters in the SEC Championship Game?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 3, 2018 22:26:35 GMT -8
Four's not enough. Eight is too many. How about six? Ohio State at Notre Dame and Georgia at Oklahoma. Higher seed plays Alabama in the Orange Bowl. Lower seed plays Clemson in the Cotton Bowl. Fin. No need for Eight. The Cotton Bowl is Clemson v. Notre Dame. Go Domers! Love 'em or hate 'em, you watch 'em. The Rose Bowl is really the Rose Bowl. Always excited about that. Northwestern v. Utah in the almost Rose Bowl. Both teams lost championship games to fall to San Diego. Should be a good game, even if Utah's coaching staff has 1-2 questionable characters. Marcus McM playing against Arizona State in the Las Vegas Bowl. That's hard to beat. Kyle Kempt may play against Washington State in the Alamo Bowl. Almost as good. Minnesota v. Georgia Tech in the Quick Lane Bowl. Paul Johnson is retiring, which means that Georgia Tech could be great soon. Two of my favorite teams. I like the Gophers, and who can't quote at least a stanza or two of Georgia Tech's fight song? Houston v. Army. Always fun to watch the service teams. Unless you hate America. Miami v. Wisconsin in the Pinstripe. Two good teams that wound up in the new Gotham Bowl. It should be entertaining. Toledo v. Florida International in the Bahamas Bowl. Butch Davis is coaching Florida International, which is generally an entertaining team. The games in the Bahamas tend to be pretty surreal. Thumbs up except the 6 team thingy. 4 is enough, no matter what Dick Van Patton says. I am annoyed, because I think that four should be enough, but the Committee biffed it in both 2016 and 2017. Six keeps the Tournament small and ensures that regular season still is important. However, it gives the Committee some leeway to be terrible without keeping the really qualified teams out.
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Post by seastape on Dec 4, 2018 9:49:58 GMT -8
Other than the 4 teams in the tournament, there is not a single bowl game I'm excited about. When OSU plays in one, I'll watch that. Looking forward to them expanding the tourney to 8 teams Would have enjoyed an 8 team playoff this season.. Say it's the P5 winners + 3 at large? 1 Alabama 8 Washington 4 Oklahoma 5 Georgia 2 Clemson 7 UCF 3 Notre Dame 6 Ohio State UW gets throttled, but everything else is compelling enough for me to tune in for a bit. UCF gets their shot at the big boys, I'm not sure I ever remember ND and tOSU playing in recent years? The conf championship games meant very little this weekend anyways. Sign me up. Count me in as another who wants to see eight. I'll even go so far as 16 like the other divisions in college football.
But with eight, get every P5 champ in and give a team like UCF a shot. Undefeated G5 teams don't happen that often, so it would be good to have a provision to get them in the playoffs during such a scenario.
But you gotta have the P5 champions in. Ohio St. deserves to be there this year, even with the weak Purdue loss. Even Washington deserves a shot, although there weak offense makes them a candidate to get blasted in the first round.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 4, 2018 17:39:57 GMT -8
Four's not enough. Eight is too many. How about six? Ohio State at Notre Dame and Georgia at Oklahoma. Higher seed plays Alabama in the Orange Bowl. Lower seed plays Clemson in the Cotton Bowl. Fin. No need for Eight. The Cotton Bowl is Clemson v. Notre Dame. Go Domers! Love 'em or hate 'em, you watch 'em. The Rose Bowl is really the Rose Bowl. Always excited about that. Northwestern v. Utah in the almost Rose Bowl. Both teams lost championship games to fall to San Diego. Should be a good game, even if Utah's coaching staff has 1-2 questionable characters. Marcus McM playing against Arizona State in the Las Vegas Bowl. That's hard to beat. Kyle Kempt may play against Washington State in the Alamo Bowl. Almost as good. Minnesota v. Georgia Tech in the Quick Lane Bowl. Paul Johnson is retiring, which means that Georgia Tech could be great soon. Two of my favorite teams. I like the Gophers, and who can't quote at least a stanza or two of Georgia Tech's fight song? Houston v. Army. Always fun to watch the service teams. Unless you hate America. Miami v. Wisconsin in the Pinstripe. Two good teams that wound up in the new Gotham Bowl. It should be entertaining. Toledo v. Florida International in the Bahamas Bowl. Butch Davis is coaching Florida International, which is generally an entertaining team. The games in the Bahamas tend to be pretty surreal. Yeah... makes zero sense! Two teams going into the semis play an extra game? In football that is crazy talk. Yep... two better/ higher seeded teams get to rest while their opponents thrash each other. The only reason you expand to 6 is so to find out you blew it and expand to 8 a few years later.
Glad Wilky is excited for the bowl games, I guess I just lost that buzz. Other than a few bets and a reason to go drink beer, just get me to the playoffs.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 4, 2018 17:45:48 GMT -8
Would have enjoyed an 8 team playoff this season.. Say it's the P5 winners + 3 at large? 1 Alabama 8 Washington 4 Oklahoma 5 Georgia 2 Clemson 7 UCF 3 Notre Dame 6 Ohio State UW gets throttled, but everything else is compelling enough for me to tune in for a bit. UCF gets their shot at the big boys, I'm not sure I ever remember ND and tOSU playing in recent years? The conf championship games meant very little this weekend anyways. Sign me up. Count me in as another who wants to see eight. I'll even go so far as 16 like the other divisions in college football.
But with eight, get every P5 champ in and give a team like UCF a shot. Undefeated G5 teams don't happen that often, so it would be good to have a provision to get them in the playoffs during such a scenario.
But you gotta have the P5 champions in. Ohio St. deserves to be there this year, even with the weak Purdue loss. Even Washington deserves a shot, although there weak offense makes them a candidate to get blasted in the first round.
The key thing to me is it takes away the "regular season doesn't mean anything" discussion. It also doesn't matter how tough you schedule OOC, nor does it matter if you play an 8 Game or 9 Game conference schedule. You gotta win your conference. I guess in the case of the 2 WCs your OOC schedule might matter, but it could hurt you as much as help you (see WSU).
The reason I don't think 16 teams is necessary is because almost every conference, if not ever conference, already plays a championship game. In essence, the tournament starts championship weekend, at least for the Power 5 teams. And really, same for UCF this year.
For a school like Oregon State, you have a way better shot at making the playoffs than the way it is now unless OSU runs the table and goes undefeated. No doubt they would have hosed WSU had they won the Pac 12 with a 12-1 record. Same with ASU, UA, Cal, Utah, Colorado, heck maybe even UCLA. USC, Oregon, Stanford, and Washington are the only 4 Pac 12 teams that are going to carry weight nationally all things being equal.
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Post by cageybeav on Dec 4, 2018 17:51:36 GMT -8
8 teams P5 Conference winners and 3 at Large AGREE DONE
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 4, 2018 19:42:27 GMT -8
Four is plenty. Has their ever been a #5 team that DESERVED a shot? All this argument boils down to #5 teams bitching that #4 deserved it LESS. But if you are not UNDEFEATED in a CHALLENGING schedule, then you didn't EARN a shot. This year, three teams earned a shot. One team was gifted a chance.
Let's keep this a true championship, and not let it devolve like basketball into a who-got-hot-at-the-end tournament.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 4, 2018 20:02:35 GMT -8
Four is plenty. Has their ever been a #5 team that DESERVED a shot? All this argument boils down to #5 teams bitching that #4 deserved it LESS. But if you are not UNDEFEATED in a CHALLENGING schedule, then you didn't EARN a shot. This year, three teams earned a shot. One team was gifted a chance. Let's keep this a true championship, and not let it devolve like basketball into a who-got-hot-at-the-end tournament. TCU in 2014, Penn State in 2016, and Ohio State in 2017. The only one that the Committee nailed was 2015 IMO. I think that you need five and probably six. Pas that, I tend to agree with you that it cheapens the regular season.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 4, 2018 20:14:36 GMT -8
I'll only offer this...
It isn't the #, its how they are chosen. Committee... s%#tmittee!
These closed door, who knows what is used to decide the "4" us utter BS. It's time to offer a NCAA D1 National Championship. Many, many folks do not realize the NCAA does not sponsor/have a D1 football champion. It's been based on media outlets and now a bowl committee. It's not a NCAA championship.
The money and politics involved are huge. The NCAA reaps huge benefits from letting outsiders run D1 football. Either it's NCAA or its not. If outsiders are to control the bowls and championship then is the NCAA truly in charge? Why are NCAA rules followed in part?
The NCAA could make huge $ with a 16 team tournament and keep 48 or more other teams in bowls. It'd be a true NCAA D1 football champion. Piss a bunch of people off, but actually be truer to what the NCAA stands for.
As long as the BS committee is involved, in any way, the # of teams doesn't matter! My take if course...
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 4, 2018 21:11:15 GMT -8
I'll only offer this... It isn't the #, its how they are chosen. Committee... s%#tmittee! These closed door, who knows what is used to decide the "4" us utter BS. It's time to offer a NCAA D1 National Championship. Many, many folks do not realize the NCAA does not sponsor/have a D1 football champion. It's been based on media outlets and now a bowl committee. It's not a NCAA championship. The money and politics involved are huge. The NCAA reaps huge benefits from letting outsiders run D1 football. Either it's NCAA or its not. If outsiders are to control the bowls and championship then is the NCAA truly in charge? Why are NCAA rules followed in part? The NCAA could make huge $ with a 16 team tournament and keep 48 or more other teams in bowls. It'd be a true NCAA D1 football champion. Piss a bunch of people off, but actually be truer to what the NCAA stands for. As long as the BS committee is involved, in any way, the # of teams doesn't matter! My take if course... I agree with this! If the Committee wasn't terrible, four would work. But the CFP needs to be expanded, because the Committee has shown themselves to be incompetent. I still would like to just move to six and see if that works. If it doesn't, we can expand.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 4, 2018 21:46:35 GMT -8
I'll only offer this... It isn't the #, its how they are chosen. Committee... s%#tmittee! These closed door, who knows what is used to decide the "4" us utter BS. It's time to offer a NCAA D1 National Championship. Many, many folks do not realize the NCAA does not sponsor/have a D1 football champion. It's been based on media outlets and now a bowl committee. It's not a NCAA championship. The money and politics involved are huge. The NCAA reaps huge benefits from letting outsiders run D1 football. Either it's NCAA or its not. If outsiders are to control the bowls and championship then is the NCAA truly in charge? Why are NCAA rules followed in part? The NCAA could make huge $ with a 16 team tournament and keep 48 or more other teams in bowls. It'd be a true NCAA D1 football champion. Piss a bunch of people off, but actually be truer to what the NCAA stands for. As long as the BS committee is involved, in any way, the # of teams doesn't matter! My take if course... I was ok with the old system. Far from perfect and sometimes produced split champions. It was vastly imperfect at deciding a true champion, but it preserved a lot of what made college football great. The 4 team playoff does neither well.
I didn't mind the old system flaws and all because of the tradition and the fact the Pac 10 controlled the Grand Daddy of them all. The four team "playoff" is worse. Some conferences don't even play 8 conference games yet are measured by the same ruler for determining the top 4. Some conferences don't play a single game in inclement weather, travel more than 600 miles, or experience an altitude change of more than a few hundred feet the entire season.
I'd love to see a Florida, LSU, or Bama go play a tough conference road game in November with freezing rain, wind, snow, sleet, etc... They don't. The Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 12 do. Even the ACC has to experience the longer road games and winter weather on occasion with Pitt, VT, and Boston College in their conference.
Until the SEC plays 9 conference games, has to endure weather extremes and the rigors of long road trips and travel disruption over the course of a season I'll never understand why college football fans are willing to just hand them a free pass like we have be equating their records to those teams who play 9 conference games, travel, and deal with weather extremes.
I think we've forgotten what the term champion even means. It used to mean wanting to seek out and take on the best, beat the best, and in the process prove you are the best. Now it's all about finding the easiest path to obtain a trophy and not about taking the hardest road possible and leaving now doubt.. That attitude has become pervasive in society. It was never about obtaining or possessing the title or trophy, it used to be about the journey and how you got there.
Now that we've gone this route and given up the Rose Bowl, let's at least make it a legitimate test and have a 16 team playoff. 8 at the very least providing a secret tribunal is not deciding the 8. Take P5 conference champs at least, highest 2 ranked non power 5 and an at large. That would give the power brokers some heartburn and produce some unlikely champions.
Better yet, eliminate conference championship games. Each power 5 conference selects their top two teams for playoff with 6 at large slots available. With larger conferences where you don't play everyone in your conference, the regular season has already been destroyed so that argument doesn't mean much to me anymore.
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Post by seastape on Dec 5, 2018 8:30:40 GMT -8
Four is plenty. Has their ever been a #5 team that DESERVED a shot? All this argument boils down to #5 teams bitching that #4 deserved it LESS. But if you are not UNDEFEATED in a CHALLENGING schedule, then you didn't EARN a shot. This year, three teams earned a shot. One team was gifted a chance. Let's keep this a true championship, and not let it devolve like basketball into a who-got-hot-at-the-end tournament. Yes. Ohio St. deserves a shot this year
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 5, 2018 8:45:10 GMT -8
I'll only offer this... It isn't the #, its how they are chosen. Committee... s%#tmittee! These closed door, who knows what is used to decide the "4" us utter BS. It's time to offer a NCAA D1 National Championship. Many, many folks do not realize the NCAA does not sponsor/have a D1 football champion. It's been based on media outlets and now a bowl committee. It's not a NCAA championship. The money and politics involved are huge. The NCAA reaps huge benefits from letting outsiders run D1 football. Either it's NCAA or its not. If outsiders are to control the bowls and championship then is the NCAA truly in charge? Why are NCAA rules followed in part? The NCAA could make huge $ with a 16 team tournament and keep 48 or more other teams in bowls. It'd be a true NCAA D1 football champion. Piss a bunch of people off, but actually be truer to what the NCAA stands for. As long as the BS committee is involved, in any way, the # of teams doesn't matter! My take if course... Although I'm all in on P5 + 3 at large playoff, that's exactly my fear - committee would somehow still give the 3 at large to Georgia, LSU, Florida/Insert SEC school every year!
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 5, 2018 9:13:14 GMT -8
Four is plenty. Has their ever been a #5 team that DESERVED a shot? All this argument boils down to #5 teams bitching that #4 deserved it LESS. But if you are not UNDEFEATED in a CHALLENGING schedule, then you didn't EARN a shot. This year, three teams earned a shot. One team was gifted a chance. Let's keep this a true championship, and not let it devolve like basketball into a who-got-hot-at-the-end tournament.Respectfully disagree - some of my favorite moments in sports have been those underdogs getting hot and winning the whole thing... I don't think of any of those teams as undeserving. 83 NC State, 85 Villanova, 07 wildcard NY Giants knocking off the undefeated Patriots and my favorite of all, an unseeded Oregon State baseball team winning the CWS. Thankfully they didn't limit the CWS to Clemson, Rice, Texas and Bama that year!
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 5, 2018 9:33:03 GMT -8
Four is plenty. Has their ever been a #5 team that DESERVED a shot? All this argument boils down to #5 teams bitching that #4 deserved it LESS. But if you are not UNDEFEATED in a CHALLENGING schedule, then you didn't EARN a shot. This year, three teams earned a shot. One team was gifted a chance. Let's keep this a true championship, and not let it devolve like basketball into a who-got-hot-at-the-end tournament.Respectfully disagree - some of my favorite moments in sports have been those underdogs getting hot and winning the whole thing... I don't think of any of those teams as undeserving. 83 NC State, 85 Villanova, 07 wildcard NY Giants knocking off the undefeated Patriots and my favorite of all, an unseeded Oregon State baseball team winning the CWS. Thankfully they didn't limit the CWS to Clemson, Rice, Texas and Bama that year!
And for every upset there are dozens of brutal demolitions that you forget all about. Cheapening the tournament so that once per decade you get to see some unlikely upset is a bad trade unless you enjoy watching uncompetitive routs.
And saying that Ohio State (who got pulverized against PURDUE) or Georgia (two - count 'em, two losses, and one of them being absolutely embarrassing) "deserve" to be in just underlines my point. If these teams "deserve" a shot, then what team DOESN'T? Bad losses don't seem to disqualify. Multiple losses doesn't disqualify. Not winning your conference doesn't disqualify. Playing a weak schedule doesn't disqualify. Let's just have a 128 team, 7 round tournament, and forget the regular season
concept altogether!
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