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Post by bennyskid on Dec 3, 2018 9:48:33 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 3, 2018 10:40:56 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction. Plenty of people enjoy night games. I think someone recently put out some data showing that night games have been as well or better attended than day games in recent years. Now, THURSDAY night games, I'll give you. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 3, 2018 11:42:35 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction.
Things are down and flat at BSU because of point 1. They didn't get into a power 5 conference. So, they can beat up on the Mountain West all they want. they can win 10 games year in and year out, but they see it does nothing. They will never crack into the playoffs and they will be lucky to get into a New Years game. The fans have come to an uncomfortable realization this is as good as they can ever possibly be unless something significant changes ( a real playoff, for instance). Hell, we just all saw WSU get shafted out of a New Years bowl at 10-2 with a 9-3 Florida getting in. As for point 2. Winning will cure MOST of our ails. we would still have to content with our terrible Pac-12 leadership that is chock full of corrupt cronies that are out to fill their own pockets instead of advance the standing of the league. But, it is sure going to be nice to be a 9 or 10 game winner and be whining about what bowl we DESERVE to be in over whatever garbage was given to us. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 3, 2018 12:19:26 GMT -8
"Kelly Temple moved to Boise in 1999 and immediately bought season tickets. He gave them up a few years ago, bought a mini-plan (three games) last year and has yet to attend a game this season. Season-ticket sales have dropped from a record 24,109 in 2012 to 17,633 in 2017 — roughly the same number the Broncos sold in 2004, before the three Fiesta Bowl wins.
“The late kickoffs were the biggest issue,” Temple said. “It’s hard to even watch on TV when it’s getting done at midnight. I’d love to see afternoon kickoffs again, but I realize they’d probably have to give up some TV revenue. I don’t know where that balance is.”Even when you are winning, and playing better opposition, many fans do not like night games and especially do not like the steady diet of Thursday/Friday night games BSU played, at ESPN's behest. BSU is winning but its attendance is cratering. When you schedule an inconvenient kickoff time and put the game on TV, people are not gonna buy tickets. www.idahostatesman.com/sports/college/mountain-west/boise-state-university/boise-state-football/article181643311.html
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Post by nabeav on Dec 3, 2018 14:47:40 GMT -8
Average attendance by hour of start time, excluding weekday games or Civil Wars (Since Pac-12 Network launch):
11:00 am - 33,582
12:00 pm - 41,063
1:00 pm - 35,980
2:00 pm - 38,052
3:00 pm - 40,873
5:00 pm - 36,755
6:00 pm - 37,958
7:00 pm - 40,591
The noon stats get a huge boost from the Boise State game in 2016 thanks to BSU fans, who I imagine would've come regardless of game time.
All told, since the start of the Pac-12 Network (7 seasons) we have had 19 games with start times before 4:00 pm and 25 games with start times after 4:00 pm. In the four seasons prior (2008-11), we had 18 games that started before 4pm and 6 games after.
Since start of Pac-12 Network:
Average attendance for Saturday, non-Civil War kickoffs before 4pm: 37,680 (16 games)
Average attendance for Saturday, non-Civil War kickoffs after 4pm: 39,429 (20 games)
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 3, 2018 15:30:51 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction.
Well, the weather absolutely sucked for their league championship game. It was a big incentive for a lot of people to stay home and watch it on tv. If it had been dry and 45, might have been a different story, but then again, maybe not. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 3, 2018 20:14:59 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction.
F Boise State. Imagine Portland State with a decent FB team and much worse academics. That’s BSU. BTW nobody with a shred of influence or intelligence ever considered BSU as an addition to the PAC-12. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Dec 3, 2018 20:21:37 GMT -8
F Boise State. Imagine Portland State with a decent FB team and much worse academics. That’s BSU. Boise is our last bowl win and the ducks most recent bowl loss.
Call me crazy I like 'em for that.
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 3, 2018 20:26:19 GMT -8
F Boise State. Imagine Portland State with a decent FB team and much worse academics. That’s BSU. Boise is our last bowl win and the ducks most recent bowl loss.
Call me crazy I like 'em for that.
They still suck tailpipes. |
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 3, 2018 21:27:24 GMT -8
and they play on blue turf. sucks to be them.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 3, 2018 21:35:44 GMT -8
The mojo is gonzo. It realized what has been posted earlier about fans figuring it out and moved to Seattle. Nothing to see here.
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Post by justdamwin on Dec 5, 2018 12:24:40 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction.
F Boise State. Imagine Portland State with a decent FB team and much worse academics. That’s BSU. BTW nobody with a shred of influence or intelligence ever considered BSU as an addition to the PAC-12. Boise does not meet Pac 12 academic and research standards and is not a consideration for inclusion. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 6, 2018 9:56:18 GMT -8
So Boise State could only get 23,000 (officially) to their home stadium for a conference championship game - certainly, the biggest game of the year. It wasn't a night game - it had a 4:45pm kickoff - but season ticket holders had to buy their own tickets for it. Apparently, not many could be bothered.
Season ticket sales are off almost by almost a third from their peak. Ticket revenues are down almost as much, with more and more discounted tickets going out. And this, even as the team still rarely loses at home and is playing in a much better conference. Part of the problem is too many night games, which we all hate. But the population of the Boise area continues to grow, there is no competition for attention, and they haven't had two sub-ten-win seasons in a row in over a decade.
In sum, things are going downhill at Boise State - while they are WINNING - and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing they can do about it.
Point 1 - Aren't we all glad that - back when conference expansion was all the rage - the yahoos who used to crow that Boise State should be in the Pac didn't get their way? The idea was always ridiculous, but now it should be obvious to even the most delusional.
Point 2 - Can we really assume that winning will cure all of our own ails? I think most of us just assume that once CJS gets us back into general relevance, the fans will all return to Reser. But BSU isn't the only school that is struggling against the tide of TV saturation and the aging football demographic. I think these trends will continue, and we should be thinking hard about what that means for the next phase of Reser construction.
F Boise State. Imagine Portland State with a decent FB team and much worse academics. That’s BSU. BTW nobody with a shred of influence or intelligence ever considered BSU as an addition to the PAC-12. This may sound stupid, but where does Portland State play its home games now? I went to the PSU website and there is no link to facilities that I can find |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Dec 6, 2018 10:04:06 GMT -8
F Boise State. Imagine Portland State with a decent FB team and much worse academics. That’s BSU. BTW nobody with a shred of influence or intelligence ever considered BSU as an addition to the PAC-12. This may sound stupid, but where does Portland State play its home games now? I went to the PSU website and there is no link to facilities that I can find Broadway & Market st? Gets a little tricky with the stop light. Just have to time your play calling on the yellows. Siriusly....i think they play in Hillsboro |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 10:11:37 GMT -8
Let's wrap this thread up. All this chit chat could have been avoided if the wording in the OP had been correct:
Boise State Sucks. Done.
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