Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 20:31:24 GMT -8
I’m still trying to figure out the posts saying Luton blew leads or played “stinky”. He hit 62 percent of his passes and threw only 4 interceptions on the season. He got sacked a bunch, but I’m putting that on the pass protection. When I think of poor QB play I think of low completion percentages, interceptions and poor decision making, and I can’t say he had much issue with any of those, especially for basically being inexperienced at this level in the first year of this offense. Another year of experience in this offense for the linemen, the receivers, AND, QB will make quite a difference. I’ve read in the past the easiest position on the offense for a talented player to shine their first year is running back, and we got that this year from a couple of them, I expect the rest to start falling more into place this season. Luton is a talented thrower but he has plenty to work on His footwork improved but still not polished. He doesn't sell his ball fakes. He seems to process the obvious blitzes and coverage advantages in his pre snap read but he doesn't seem to audible to great effect. Maybe I expect too much with that. He does seem to get past the first read often enough or at least looks off the coverage but he still locks onto one area and doesn't use the whole field. Hopefully the game slows down for him and we see his full potential match the experience he has.
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Jan 17, 2019 21:21:03 GMT -8
I’m still trying to figure out the posts saying Luton blew leads or played “stinky”. He hit 62 percent of his passes and threw only 4 interceptions on the season. He got sacked a bunch, but I’m putting that on the pass protection. When I think of poor QB play I think of low completion percentages, interceptions and poor decision making, and I can’t say he had much issue with any of those, especially for basically being inexperienced at this level in the first year of this offense. Another year of experience in this offense for the linemen, the receivers, AND, QB will make quite a difference. I’ve read in the past the easiest position on the offense for a talented player to shine their first year is running back, and we got that this year from a couple of them, I expect the rest to start falling more into place this season. Luton is a talented thrower but he has plenty to work on His footwork improved but still not polished. He doesn't sell his ball fakes. He seems to process the obvious blitzes and coverage advantages in his pre snap read but he doesn't seem to audible to great effect. Maybe I expect too much with that. He does seem to get past the first read often enough or at least looks off the coverage but he still locks onto one area and doesn't use the whole field. Hopefully the game slows down for him and we see his full potential match the experience he has. Maybe there is just not a market for ball fakes. Basic economics.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 21:54:29 GMT -8
Luton is a talented thrower but he has plenty to work on His footwork improved but still not polished. He doesn't sell his ball fakes. He seems to process the obvious blitzes and coverage advantages in his pre snap read but he doesn't seem to audible to great effect. Maybe I expect too much with that. He does seem to get past the first read often enough or at least looks off the coverage but he still locks onto one area and doesn't use the whole field. Hopefully the game slows down for him and we see his full potential match the experience he has. Maybe there is just not a market for ball fakes. Basic economics. No the problem is he gives them away.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 17, 2019 22:42:17 GMT -8
Fake handoffs were about the only area that OSU excelled at offensively under GA. I never lost track of who had the ball under Riley. Riley's QBs pretty much extended a hand in the general direction of a runner on passing plays, virtually no meshing trickery. I didn't watch UW while Coach Smith was there to see if they tried to disguise plays using fake handoffs or not, so I can't say if it's Luton or the coaching.
|
|
|
Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 17, 2019 23:34:54 GMT -8
I’m still trying to figure out the posts saying Luton blew leads or played “stinky”. He hit 62 percent of his passes and threw only 4 interceptions on the season I'm a big Luton fan, probably his biggest here last off season, so I'm just being real. Over the last 3 games he completed 56% of his passes, threw 5 TDs to 3 pics, and OSU lost by an average of 30 PPG. Needless to say he didn't play well down the stretch, but that was also against 3 of the best teams in the league. So yeah, there were times he struggled mightily, missed easy throws and killed drives. All things that can be expected given his situation. And for sure pass protection had something to do with that, but not always. Sometimes Luton just played poorly for stretches. But yes, all things considered he had a good year, he is indeed a good QB, and could really blossom next year.
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 18, 2019 13:30:27 GMT -8
Fake handoffs were about the only area that OSU excelled at offensively under GA. I never lost track of who had the ball under Riley. Riley's QBs pretty much extended a hand in the general direction of a runner on passing plays, virtually no meshing trickery. I didn't watch UW while Coach Smith was there to see if they tried to disguise plays using fake handoffs or not, so I can't say if it's Luton or the coaching. I count about 11 play-action passes in there. A fake hand-off is important to sell, when you are trying to fake out the defensive linemen. It is less important, when you are trying to fake out linebackers and defensive backs in coverage. A good example is at 4:30. The play action pulls two Utah players completely out of the play, leaving Cooks in single coverage for a 45-yard gain. Four plays later, it is 20-7 Oregon State. I forgot how nip-and-tuck this game was. Oregon State gets away from play-action as it goes along. The Beavers needed every single point. Oregon State had to convert a 12-yard pass on 4th-and-9. Four plays later, the Beavers score to go up 43-38. Mannion hits Hamlett for two to go up 45-38. Then overtime. In the past nine years, Utah has only allowed more than 49 points to two teams: 2013 Oregon State and 2014 Oregon (en route to a National Championship Game loss). Oregon State scored more than 48 three times in 2013 (and twice in 2012). The Beavers have not turned the trick since.
|
|
|
Post by atownbeaver on Jan 18, 2019 13:47:07 GMT -8
Fake handoffs were about the only area that OSU excelled at offensively under GA. I never lost track of who had the ball under Riley. Riley's QBs pretty much extended a hand in the general direction of a runner on passing plays, virtually no meshing trickery. I didn't watch UW while Coach Smith was there to see if they tried to disguise plays using fake handoffs or not, so I can't say if it's Luton or the coaching. I count about 11 play-action passes in there. A fake hand-off is important to sell, when you are trying to fake out the defensive linemen. It is less important, when you are trying to fake out linebackers and defensive backs in coverage. A good example is at 4:30. The play action pulls two Utah players completely out of the play, leaving Cooks in single coverage for a 45-yard gain. Four plays later, it is 20-7 Oregon State. I forgot how nip-and-tuck this game was. Oregon State gets away from play-action as it goes along. The Beavers needed every single point. Oregon State had to convert a 12-yard pass on 4th-and-9. Four plays later, the Beavers score to go up 43-38. Mannion hits Hamlett for two to go up 45-38. Then overtime. In the past nine years, Utah has only allowed more than 49 points to two teams: 2013 Oregon State and 2014 Oregon (en route to a National Championship Game loss). Oregon State scored more than 48 three times in 2013 (and twice in 2012). The Beavers have not turned the trick since. Just to kind of rearticulate your point. Play action with Riley was never about hiding the ball or misdirection. It was about freezing linebackers and safeties by showing a hand off action as the start to the play, instead of a direct drop back. that extra one second is all it can take to keep a safety off of double coverage or to get a TE behind the backers. Before he kind of went a little crazy in the shot gun formations, it worked because Mannion was under center with a single back or I formation backs and the drop back to meeting the RB with a handoff was the selling point. That is what LBs and safeties saw that pulled them forward or kept them out of a drop. Moved to a shotgun with a RB at your side fundamentally changes play action. To sell the action you know have to work a mesh and sell a ball fake a bit. In my humble opinion, it is less effective as a direct driver of play action where the intent is to pass. However, it is more powerful as a mechanism for option football. pros and cons.
|
|
|
Post by blodgettbeaver on Jan 18, 2019 14:06:09 GMT -8
I'm not a huge Luton fan, but when healthy, he did very well last year and was not our problem. I hope Gebbia will be the starter this next year, but we can do worse than Luton (Blount...). Defense is where I am wanting to see massive strides, which I think we will because we were young last year.
|
|
|
Post by blodgettbeaver on Jan 18, 2019 14:07:20 GMT -8
Blount was solid I wish he didn't leave. To say Luton is better is just not true.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 14:19:09 GMT -8
Blount was solid I wish he didn't leave. To say Luton is better is just not true. It's not a true or false thing it's more like a preference. And most beav fans prefer spirals and passes that look like they know where they are going.
|
|
|
Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 18, 2019 14:52:20 GMT -8
Blount was solid I wish he didn't leave. To say Luton is better is just not true. You are right. Luton is vastly superior.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 18, 2019 15:10:35 GMT -8
Blount in the right offense is a pretty good QB. He's got good touch and can throw the long ball fairly well and can maneuver. In a pocket passing offense where he needs to make a decision in 1.5-3 seconds, he's got some limitations. He showed the ability to learn and eliminate mistakes, I thought he was a pretty solid back up QB in this league, but his sacks per passing attempts is significantly higher than Luton's. I hate to see him gone in case there are injuries, but I'm happy for him if he's got other places where he's less likely to be buried as far as playing time goes.
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Jan 18, 2019 15:23:57 GMT -8
Blount in the right offense is a pretty good QB. He's got good touch and can throw the long ball fairly well and can maneuver. In a pocket passing offense where he needs to make a decision in 1.5-3 seconds, he's got some limitations. He showed the ability to learn and eliminate mistakes, I thought he was a pretty solid back up QB in this league, but his sacks per passing attempts is significantly higher than Luton's. I hate to see him gone in case there are injuries, but I'm happy for him if he's got other places where he's less likely to be buried as far as playing time goes. Blount is a pretty good QB in the Big Sky, not in the Pac 12.
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Jan 18, 2019 21:56:52 GMT -8
Blount in the right offense is a pretty good QB. He's got good touch and can throw the long ball fairly well and can maneuver. In a pocket passing offense where he needs to make a decision in 1.5-3 seconds, he's got some limitations. He showed the ability to learn and eliminate mistakes, I thought he was a pretty solid back up QB in this league, but his sacks per passing attempts is significantly higher than Luton's. I hate to see him gone in case there are injuries, but I'm happy for him if he's got other places where he's less likely to be buried as far as playing time goes. Blount is a pretty good QB in the Big Sky, not in the Pac 12. He'd be great at Linfield.
|
|
|
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 18, 2019 22:30:27 GMT -8
The next Brett Elliot, who actually had some good games at Utah before being hurt and replaced by Alex Smith.
|
|