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Post by biggieorange on Sept 3, 2019 7:07:41 GMT -8
I see Hawaii laying another 50 on us... Sad state of affairs , one game in and you can predict one win ... Cal Poly at home. Based on all the 5-6 win predictions, I was starting to look for the orange tinted glasses. Apparently, they are already half off at the Dollar Store. I find that highly unlikely. I mean the Beavers might lose, but they don't have a RB or WR that is gonna get drafted or frankly a offensive guru like Gundy like Ok State. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 7:45:04 GMT -8
There probably hasn't been a season where message board posters, either here or at pure scrotum, didnt "fire" a coordinator after a loss or losses. Banker was "fired" multiple times. Langdorf.. fired. Paul Chryst, i don't remember but i am sure some poster fired him.
So Tibesar getting s-canned here is predictable. Doesn't mean he is doing a good job or that he shouldn't be feeling heat, but the heat from this kitchen doesn't mean anything. Just a way for us fans to feel like we got a grip on things. Yeah just change out this one guy and things will get better. And just because you all are paranoid doesnt mean you are wrong. You could be right, but that doesn't matter. Does that frustrate you?
My take is i did see improvement in the positioning of the D, the actual penetration into the backfield and the energy and physicality was marginally improved over last year. The breakdowns were generally at the point of attack, missing tackles or not winning against blockers. It wasn't a lack of hustle, i saw failure of execution. Again, failures of experience and sometimes athletic ability. The improvement that did occure must continue and get ingrained each game. They have to take that little bit of real progress and dig in. Don't listen to the naysayers, take pride in the obvious work they have put in and band together. Urgency and hunger and being the aggressor is essential but either close the deal on tackles and start winning one on one battles or some of you are actually going to be right for once.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 3, 2019 8:46:16 GMT -8
There probably hasn't been a season where message board posters, either here or at pure scrotum, didnt "fire" a coordinator after a loss or losses. Banker was "fired" multiple times. Langdorf.. fired. Paul Chryst, i don't remember but i am sure some poster fired him. So Tibesar getting s-canned here is predictable. Doesn't mean he is doing a good job or that he shouldn't be feeling heat, but the heat from this kitchen doesn't mean anything. Just a way for us fans to feel like we got a grip on things. Yeah just change out this one guy and things will get better. And just because you all are paranoid doesnt mean you are wrong. You could be right, but that doesn't matter. Does that frustrate you? My take is i did see improvement in the positioning of the D, the actual penetration into the backfield and the energy and physicality was marginally improved over last year. The breakdowns were generally at the point of attack, missing tackles or not winning against blockers. It wasn't a lack of hustle, i saw failure of execution. Again, failures of experience and sometimes athletic ability. The improvement that did occure must continue and get ingrained each game. They have to take that little bit of real progress and dig in. Don't listen to the naysayers, take pride in the obvious work they have put in and band together. Urgency and hunger and being the aggressor is essential but either close the deal on tackles and start winning one on one battles or some of you are actually going to be right for once. Agree with this. Felt like so many times - especially on 3rd and long, we were RIGHT THERE and then didn't make the play or a breakdown occurred. Seems like correctable stuff, but I also feel like I've been saying that for 5 years. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 3, 2019 9:00:57 GMT -8
I felt good after the first two defensive drives - felt like we made plays and were in position to make others and just didn't quite pull it off. Once the offense couldn't stay on the field though, we got worn down in a hurry.
That was simply the wrong opponent to look for much growth defensively against. It wasn't a one-dimensional Cal putting up 49 on us like we saw last season - that Okie State offense is legit and always has been under Gundy. I'm hoping that the lack of a run game this weekend from Hawaii will help display some real improvement in our defense.
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Post by orangeattack on Sept 3, 2019 10:02:52 GMT -8
There probably hasn't been a season where message board posters, either here or at pure scrotum, didnt "fire" a coordinator after a loss or losses. Banker was "fired" multiple times. Langdorf.. fired. Paul Chryst, i don't remember but i am sure some poster fired him. So Tibesar getting s-canned here is predictable. Doesn't mean he is doing a good job or that he shouldn't be feeling heat, but the heat from this kitchen doesn't mean anything. Just a way for us fans to feel like we got a grip on things. Yeah just change out this one guy and things will get better. And just because you all are paranoid doesnt mean you are wrong. You could be right, but that doesn't matter. Does that frustrate you? My take is i did see improvement in the positioning of the D, the actual penetration into the backfield and the energy and physicality was marginally improved over last year. The breakdowns were generally at the point of attack, missing tackles or not winning against blockers. It wasn't a lack of hustle, i saw failure of execution. Again, failures of experience and sometimes athletic ability. The improvement that did occure must continue and get ingrained each game. They have to take that little bit of real progress and dig in. Don't listen to the naysayers, take pride in the obvious work they have put in and band together. Urgency and hunger and being the aggressor is essential but either close the deal on tackles and start winning one on one battles or some of you are actually going to be right for once. Agree with this. Felt like so many times - especially on 3rd and long, we were RIGHT THERE and then didn't make the play or a breakdown occurred. Seems like correctable stuff, but I also feel like I've been saying that for 5 years. I played NCAA 2004 so much that Lee Corso saying "I tell ya Kirk, it's a game of inches! A game of inches." permanently ingrained in my noggin, applies well here. I think also Gundy's comments after the game were telling - he said something to the effect of "Actually I thought they came out with a good game plan - but it takes time to get things going". To me that says that he acknowledges that it was good game planning and Oregon State gave them more stuff to think about than he expected, but he saw mistakes in execution and players who weren't either physically or mentally ready for the role they were being asked to play. Bottom line is that Gundy thought the staff put the players in the best position to win, they fell short but no shame in it really - the effort was there even if the results were not. Overall I wasn't displeased. Disappointed that the defense struggled so much but not displeased. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 3, 2019 11:59:27 GMT -8
4 quarters? Did you just wake up from your nap Rip Van Winkle?
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Post by pitbeavs on Sept 3, 2019 14:36:55 GMT -8
Oh, geez Louise. Another couch quarterback. We aren't even playing with his first recruiting class. It's Anderson leftovers. You can't coach up limited talent. Let's see how things look in 2021 before you break out the tar, feathers, and horse whips. How about we just let you pay his salary instead. That work? And none of the freshmen who played (nor JC transfers) aren't a part of his first recruiting class? lol ... yeah, whatever ... |
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 3, 2019 17:22:42 GMT -8
In 2000 there were posters saying stuff just like this after the EWU game. Same thing in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 after early season out of league losses. Worst year in that stretch turned out to be a 5 win season. It's just one game. "it's just one game" is hilarious considering the last TWENTY FIVE GAMES(ahem) we've averaged 44.64 points allowed. It is that fact that keeps me from jumping on the "fire Tibesar" bandwagon. Smith and Tibesar have been here for 12 of those TWENTY FIVE games. The trend was firmly established before they arrived.
That's not to say that I'm giving Tibesar and the rest of the defensive staff a pass. Maybe I'm too pessimistic about the chances of recruiting ready-to-go All-Pac-12 defenders to Corvallis, but I've always felt that our coaches MUST come up with a way for our players to perform above their talent level. I was pleasantly surprised at how quickly Smith and the offensive coaches had our offense performing pretty well last season but I was dubious almost from the start about how our defense was not performing or improving.
BUT, as you point out, this inability to stop teams from scoring is not new with Tibesar. And I did see some improvement in some areas last Saturday. It just needs to keep getting better, which is hard when the players need confidence....which they won't get until things go better.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Sept 3, 2019 18:05:21 GMT -8
Beavs are going to get stronger as the season progresses. We have a good offense, our defense will improve.
OKSt has been and continues to be one of the best offenses in college football. Not an easy opener. Hawaii will also bring its challenges. But I think out offense can simply outscore them. And if need be, that should be JS game plan from the get go. He needs to unleash the playbook and make scoring every drive a priority.
Go Beavs!
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 3, 2019 18:20:28 GMT -8
Agree with this. Felt like so many times - especially on 3rd and long, we were RIGHT THERE and then didn't make the play or a breakdown occurred. Seems like correctable stuff, but I also feel like I've been saying that for 5 years. I played NCAA 2004 so much that Lee Corso saying "I tell ya Kirk, it's a game of inches! A game of inches." permanently ingrained in my noggin, applies well here. I think also Gundy's comments after the game were telling - he said something to the effect of "Actually I thought they came out with a good game plan - but it takes time to get things going". To me that says that he acknowledges that it was good game planning and Oregon State gave them more stuff to think about than he expected, but he saw mistakes in execution and players who weren't either physically or mentally ready for the role they were being asked to play. Bottom line is that Gundy thought the staff put the players in the best position to win, they fell short but no shame in it really - the effort was there even if the results were not. Overall I wasn't displeased. Disappointed that the defense struggled so much but not displeased. Game of inches is right. amazing how in the face of 16 point defeat and giving up 52 points... a hand full of things and maybe we force a punt 3 or 4 more times and we are looking at a really competitive 38-35 type of game and all of us have high, high hope for the season. Unlike last year, I did not necessarily see a stark difference in talent. I saw one or two missed plays that would of be huge difference makers. One third down in particular where the OLB was there to hit the QB at about the LOS, instead is juked out of his jock strap and QB is down the sideline for 30 yards... That is pure fundamentals, keeping your feet, using the sideline, looking to stall/corral until the help gets there. I also saw some blundered scheme calls that didn't fit down and distance. coaches and players need to recognized stuff like that and adapt. because those blunders WERE exploited every time by the well oiled machine that is Gundy and his offense. I don't care that it is a new OC for them, they have a system and it is rolling for them. I am disappointed because I think we could of had a better game and didn't. I still have some hope our defense averages out to simply below average, instead of outright terrible. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Sept 3, 2019 18:21:48 GMT -8
Comparing this team to 2000.......c’mon now.... no way.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 3, 2019 20:15:17 GMT -8
Comparing this team to 2000.......c’mon now.... no way. How is this your take away? I am baffled. ain't nobody doing that. the entire post was about how people over react to the first game of basically every game in the entirety of Beaverfootball history, which includes our greatest season ever in our history, starting off with an EEEEEEKKKKKEEEED out win over a lower division, and bad at the time, Eastern Washington. Play ANY other division equal team in game one in 2000, we start that season with an L. We have the benefit of hindsight in ever season in the past, and as hard as we try, zero ability to see the future. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Sept 3, 2019 21:53:24 GMT -8
I’m not saying we’re going to win 5/8/9/10 games this season, but it’s quite possible our defense is improved. I’m going to wait a few games before judging our defense. when you say this what I hear you say is We are going to win 6 or 7 games this year! |
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