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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 31, 2023 12:26:37 GMT -8
True. If your team isn't in playoffs I suppose. But I think the bowls would mean more if you had fewer and therefore, I think more players might play in them because they would mean something. I would rather watch bowl games where teams actually had to win games to get there and not 10 games of 6-6 teams playing each other. Bowl Games are from another (and, in my opinion, better) time. The 4-team playoff pretty effectively killed most of them and the 12-team playoff will kill the rest. A team's ranking throughout the year only matters if it helps the team get into the playoff. Their ranking at the end of the season doesn't matter at all. Every post-season game, outside the playoff, is a consolation prize that nobody cares about now. I don't *think* I'm the "Get off my lawn!" or "Back when I was young..." old man, but I guess I am when it comes to Bowl Games. I was 100% happy with having the "true" National Champion be a point of debate and more than a few bowl games feeling like they gave your team a legit argument to be in the conversation. Then again, I was 100% happy with some games not being on TV and the schools not being completely at the mercy of the TV networks. So, I guess I am that old man. Eliminate the bowl games and you eliminate any reward for 120 of the 130-odd teams that play college football. If you don't make the playoffs, your season is over. My wife's alma mater played in one of the so-called "meaningless" bowls. They traveled about 6,000 fans and from all accounts from her friends, they had a blast. Her school will never make it to the CFP, expanded or otherwise. But when it goes 8-4 or 9-3 or 10-2 or even 7-5, there's a nice reward and some nice swag for the players and a fun trip for the fans, if they chose to make it. No bowls and less college football? Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 31, 2023 12:47:54 GMT -8
True. If your team isn't in playoffs I suppose. But I think the bowls would mean more if you had fewer and therefore, I think more players might play in them because they would mean something. I would rather watch bowl games where teams actually had to win games to get there and not 10 games of 6-6 teams playing each other. Bowl Games are from another (and, in my opinion, better) time. The 4-team playoff pretty effectively killed most of them and the 12-team playoff will kill the rest. A team's ranking throughout the year only matters if it helps the team get into the playoff. Their ranking at the end of the season doesn't matter at all. Every post-season game, outside the playoff, is a consolation prize that nobody cares about now. I don't *think* I'm the "Get off my lawn!" or "Back when I was young..." old man, but I guess I am when it comes to Bowl Games. I was 100% happy with having the "true" National Champion be a point of debate and more than a few bowl games feeling like they gave your team a legit argument to be in the conversation. Then again, I was 100% happy with some games not being on TV and the schools not being completely at the mercy of the TV networks. So, I guess I am that old man. Along with 1pm kicks, no alcohol sales (but of course the every so clever sneaking was fine), and ticket prices that didn't reflect the never-ending, no way of ever "winning, the keep up with the Jones' falsehood.
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Post by irimi on Dec 31, 2023 13:30:33 GMT -8
True. If your team isn't in playoffs I suppose. But I think the bowls would mean more if you had fewer and therefore, I think more players might play in them because they would mean something. I would rather watch bowl games where teams actually had to win games to get there and not 10 games of 6-6 teams playing each other. Bowl Games are from another (and, in my opinion, better) time. The 4-team playoff pretty effectively killed most of them and the 12-team playoff will kill the rest. A team's ranking throughout the year only matters if it helps the team get into the playoff. Their ranking at the end of the season doesn't matter at all. Every post-season game, outside the playoff, is a consolation prize that nobody cares about now. I don't *think* I'm the "Get off my lawn!" or "Back when I was young..." old man, but I guess I am when it comes to Bowl Games. I was 100% happy with having the "true" National Champion be a point of debate and more than a few bowl games feeling like they gave your team a legit argument to be in the conversation. Then again, I was 100% happy with some games not being on TV and the schools not being completely at the mercy of the TV networks. So, I guess I am that old man. It's all about the money. Bowl games bring in a lot of money, so basic greed will guide the future. They'll probably not allow the transfer portal to open until after the bowl games and they'll probably figure something out to discourage kids from opting out. They want the bowl games. They want the money.
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Post by beaverdreams on Dec 31, 2023 14:00:25 GMT -8
Bowl Games are from another (and, in my opinion, better) time. The 4-team playoff pretty effectively killed most of them and the 12-team playoff will kill the rest. A team's ranking throughout the year only matters if it helps the team get into the playoff. Their ranking at the end of the season doesn't matter at all. Every post-season game, outside the playoff, is a consolation prize that nobody cares about now. I don't *think* I'm the "Get off my lawn!" or "Back when I was young..." old man, but I guess I am when it comes to Bowl Games. I was 100% happy with having the "true" National Champion be a point of debate and more than a few bowl games feeling like they gave your team a legit argument to be in the conversation. Then again, I was 100% happy with some games not being on TV and the schools not being completely at the mercy of the TV networks. So, I guess I am that old man. It's all about the money. Bowl games bring in a lot of money, so basic greed will guide the future. They'll probably not allow the transfer portal to open until after the bowl games and they'll probably figure something out to discourage kids from opting out. They want the bowl games. They want the money. Well, you may be right... but I actually have always historically enjoyed the bowl games. I knew once the clamor for a playoff won over the tv networks, the bowl system as we knew was dead. I don't know where things go from here, but pretty sure it's leaving a lot of us fans behind. College football has lost its way.
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Post by beavheart on Dec 31, 2023 14:36:35 GMT -8
Like a lot of you, I just wish we could turn back the clock on a bunch of the rule changes. But, since things are what they are, it seems like the solutions to a lot of the new problems are stupid easy if there was an ounce of leadership anywhere to be found.
IMO a couple no brainers,
1) Portal is closed until after all bowl games.
2) Bowl sponsors need to pay the players. A small minimum for each player that suits up. Then a cash prize for the winning team.
The NCAA has just opened the flood gate to money in CFB, and then walked away. Money is the only thing that matters now, so if the bowl games want to survive they are going to have to pay the players. Pride us not enough of a motivation anymore, unfortunately.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 31, 2023 15:29:25 GMT -8
Like a lot of you, I just wish we could turn back the clock on a bunch of the rule changes. But, since things are what they are, it seems like the solutions to a lot of the new problems are stupid easy if there was an ounce of leadership anywhere to be found. IMO a couple no brainers, 1) Portal is closed until after all bowl games. 2) Bowl sponsors need to pay the players. A small minimum for each player that suits up. Then a cash prize for the winning team. The NCAA has just opened the flood gate to money in CFB, and then walked away. Money is the only thing that matters now, so if the bowl games want to survive they are going to have to pay the players. Pride us not enough of a motivation anymore, unfortunately. NCAA didn't "open" anything, a court decision did. The NCAA now has to find a way to monitor NIL so it fits the guidelines of: not pay for play; can't be used to induce a player to a school. Then an enforcement of some kind. The problem... how does the NCAA enforce "rules" punishment on a biz or NIL organization. They can just become a new entity. Can't punish the players unless they knowingly enter into an prohibited agreement. Schools aren't supposed to part of equation except for vetting deals as fitting guidelines. So, again it's back to a long time frame before all this gets processed, vetted, and any violations are found. The easiest solution if a bunch of schools banded together... gather data to show most ADs are not indeed making millions in profits over all that is provided athletes when other subsidies are excluded that keep programs alive. Also illustrate with evidence the harm being done to many programs and illicit contracts taking advantage of athletes. It'd have be a Title IX type movement with maybe explicit monitoring that is paid by fees from any "registering" NIL entity. Never going to happen. But, what ever has. Every decade or so it seems some drastic change happens to move us further from any type if amateur status. The game and the "playing field" is constantly changing and NIL is now just the "legal" version of what happened in the late 60's & 70's. Now there is more & available and media is far more involve/in charge.
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Post by ftd on Dec 31, 2023 16:19:26 GMT -8
True. If your team isn't in playoffs I suppose. But I think the bowls would mean more if you had fewer and therefore, I think more players might play in them because they would mean something. I would rather watch bowl games where teams actually had to win games to get there and not 10 games of 6-6 teams playing each other. Bowl Games are from another (and, in my opinion, better) time. The 4-team playoff pretty effectively killed most of them and the 12-team playoff will kill the rest. A team's ranking throughout the year only matters if it helps the team get into the playoff. Their ranking at the end of the season doesn't matter at all. Every post-season game, outside the playoff, is a consolation prize that nobody cares about now. I don't *think* I'm the "Get off my lawn!" or "Back when I was young..." old man, but I guess I am when it comes to Bowl Games. I was 100% happy with having the "true" National Champion be a point of debate and more than a few bowl games feeling like they gave your team a legit argument to be in the conversation. Then again, I was 100% happy with some games not being on TV and the schools not being completely at the mercy of the TV networks. So, I guess I am that old man. 12 will quickly morph into 16 or more teams...but agreed the other bowls are irrelevant unless they are in some super nice place to travel to in late December. The Beavs in the SB weren't 'our Beavs'...true for so many other teams. and..get off my lawn!!
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 31, 2023 16:27:22 GMT -8
Bowl Games are from another (and, in my opinion, better) time. The 4-team playoff pretty effectively killed most of them and the 12-team playoff will kill the rest. A team's ranking throughout the year only matters if it helps the team get into the playoff. Their ranking at the end of the season doesn't matter at all. Every post-season game, outside the playoff, is a consolation prize that nobody cares about now. I don't *think* I'm the "Get off my lawn!" or "Back when I was young..." old man, but I guess I am when it comes to Bowl Games. I was 100% happy with having the "true" National Champion be a point of debate and more than a few bowl games feeling like they gave your team a legit argument to be in the conversation. Then again, I was 100% happy with some games not being on TV and the schools not being completely at the mercy of the TV networks. So, I guess I am that old man. 12 will quickly morph into 16 or more teams...but agreed the other bowls are irrelevant unless they are in some super nice place to travel to in late December. The Beavs in the SB weren't 'our Beavs'...true for so many other teams. and..get off my lawn!! I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually go to 24 teams like FCS. Top 8 get byes. Maybe te regular season gets cut back to 11 games.
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Post by ftd on Dec 31, 2023 16:29:29 GMT -8
12 will quickly morph into 16 or more teams...but agreed the other bowls are irrelevant unless they are in some super nice place to travel to in late December. The Beavs in the SB weren't 'our Beavs'...true for so many other teams. and..get off my lawn!! I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually go to 24 teams like FCS. Top 8 get byes. Maybe te regular season gets cut back to 11 games. byes are bad because the first two teams that miss they bye will complain they got the shaft...just like 5 and 6 in this years setup
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 31, 2023 16:44:10 GMT -8
I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually go to 24 teams like FCS. Top 8 get byes. Maybe te regular season gets cut back to 11 games. byes are bad because the first two teams that miss they bye will complain they got the shaft...just like 5 and 6 in this years setup Why the 12 team format sucks. No team should get, or even want a bye and sit that long. Nor team play an extra game and be beat up/injured. Just another way to make it an uneven playing field. Top 8, 3 extra games for two teams is plenty. Larger then cutting regular season games is punishing 120+ other teams. Some that will never make a playoff yet lose revenue
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 31, 2023 16:46:20 GMT -8
Bowl sponsors already do "pay" the players. They get a swag bag that includes some pretty nice stuff.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 31, 2023 16:50:04 GMT -8
Bowl sponsors already do "pay" the players. They get a swag bag that includes some pretty nice stuff. Nicer than most get from NIL deals... if they have any?!
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