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Post by bvrbred on Jan 26, 2024 8:01:22 GMT -8
If you're playing a team with a distinct edge in both talent and depth, it is helpful to play them early, before they have hit their full stride and before injuries start taking a toll on us.
We are playing Oregon Sept 14. I am glad we are not playing them in late November this time. A year ago they played Texas Tech in early Sept. and they had to claw their way back into it to win, 30-30. Texas Tech had to beat Cal in a bowl game to finish above .500 last year, so they weren't that good. I don't see the same result had Oregon played Texas Tech four weeks later. By then they were beating everyone in conference, largely by one sided margins.
As far as playing the best it certainly doesn't help a program's profile to duck games, especially if a program is in the positin we are in. But we have to make sure we don't get boat raced and become a laughing stock. Going forward, we are likely to be in a conference of either MWC or former MWC teams, and typically conference teams have schedules back loaded with conferenced games. Our open games are likely to be early and that is when we should try to schedule legacy Pac12, Big12, etc. It could all work out.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 26, 2024 9:23:05 GMT -8
Not sure how you interpreted that I want the Beavs to lose, not even close. In fact that’s my point, that I don’t want them to lose, and I feel that the growing money disparity coupled with the no rules NIL will not be good for us, and will favor them. Rah rah sis boom bah, but let’s be honest. Wait, this is a message board. Since World War I ended, Oregon State is 10-64-4 (.154) all-time against USC. Don't play 'em, because the Trojans spend a ton of money on football and Oregon State does not? I disagree. You play the best. You beat the best, or you go out in a blaze of glory. You don't duck "better" teams. That's a Duck way of thinking. You play Cal home-and-home. You play Oregon home-and-home. It might be a one time out of eight win, but you play out the seven, so you get that eighth win. Ducking Oregon (while Wazzu keeps the Apple Cup alive) guarantees that Oregon State is a second-tier team (at best) and that Oregon State never gets an invite to a Power Three conference. Those games right after WWI are very relevant to the current state of college football, or maybe not. - I don't want us to play a rival team annually that was instrumental in breaking up the conference.
- Overall, in the end, while the underdog will win here and there, talent wins games.
- Under the old rules, with scholarship limits and even funding minus boosters, OSU was very competitive with UO.
- NIL has turned college football upside down. It's the Wild West and we're using a knife in a fight with Henry Repeating Rifles.
- If there are rules they are and will be ignored.
- UO is in the 2nd best conference. We are not in a conference.
- However great Oregon St is as a school, location, etc. those things are not paramount to most great young athletes.
- I predict the talent difference will accelerate because of our different situations.
- It's not a "Blaze of Glory" if you consistently get your head kicked in.
- I would feel the same way about Washington if I was a Cougar grad.
- You feel differently. Great! That's one thing that makes the world go around. But I NEVER want Oregon St to lose.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 26, 2024 10:29:20 GMT -8
Since World War I ended, Oregon State is 10-64-4 (.154) all-time against USC. Don't play 'em, because the Trojans spend a ton of money on football and Oregon State does not? I disagree. You play the best. You beat the best, or you go out in a blaze of glory. You don't duck "better" teams. That's a Duck way of thinking. You play Cal home-and-home. You play Oregon home-and-home. It might be a one time out of eight win, but you play out the seven, so you get that eighth win. Ducking Oregon (while Wazzu keeps the Apple Cup alive) guarantees that Oregon State is a second-tier team (at best) and that Oregon State never gets an invite to a Power Three conference. Those games right after WWI are very relevant to the current state of college football, or maybe not. - I don't want us to play a rival team annually that was instrumental in breaking up the conference.
- Overall, in the end, while the underdog will win here and there, talent wins games.
- Under the old rules, with scholarship limits and even funding minus boosters, OSU was very competitive with UO.
- NIL has turned college football upside down. It's the Wild West and we're in a knife fight with Henry Repeating Rifles.
- If there are rules they are and will be ignored.
- UO is in the 2nd best conference. We are not in a conference.
- However great Oregon St is as a school, location, etc. those things are not paramount to most great young athletes.
- I predict the talent difference will accelerate because of our different situations.
- It's not a "Blaze of Glory" if you consistently get your head kicked in.
- I would feel the same way about Washington if I was a Cougar grad.
- You feel differently. Great! That's one thing that makes the world go around. But I NEVER want Oregon St to lose.
We wish. I think you mean we brought a knife to a gun (Henry Repeating Rifles) fight. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 26, 2024 10:31:29 GMT -8
If you're playing a team with a distinct edge in both talent and depth, it is helpful to play them early, before they have hit their full stride and before injuries start taking a toll on us. We are playing Oregon Sept 14. I am glad we are not playing them in late November this time. A year ago they played Texas Tech in early Sept. and they had to claw their way back into it to win, 30-30. Texas Tech had to beat Cal in a bowl game to finish above .500 last year, so they weren't that good. I don't see the same result had Oregon played Texas Tech four weeks later. By then they were beating everyone in conference, largely by one sided margins. As far as playing the best it certainly doesn't help a program's profile to duck games, especially if a program is in the positin we are in. But we have to make sure we don't get boat raced and become a laughing stock. Going forward, we are likely to be in a conference of either MWC or former MWC teams, and typically conference teams have schedules back loaded with conferenced games. Our open games are likely to be early and that is when we should try to schedule legacy Pac12, Big12, etc. It could all work out. It cuts both ways. It is good to play a young but talented team early before they get their sea legs. But it might be better to play Oregon next year after their trips to the Rose Bowl, Ross-Ade, Michigan Stadium, and Camp Randall. They might be in a groove by then, or they could be shattered on the rocks. Don't know. I hope that Oregon State catches Oregon early before they get their sea legs. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 26, 2024 11:01:22 GMT -8
Since World War I ended, Oregon State is 10-64-4 (.154) all-time against USC. Don't play 'em, because the Trojans spend a ton of money on football and Oregon State does not? I disagree. You play the best. You beat the best, or you go out in a blaze of glory. You don't duck "better" teams. That's a Duck way of thinking. You play Cal home-and-home. You play Oregon home-and-home. It might be a one time out of eight win, but you play out the seven, so you get that eighth win. Ducking Oregon (while Wazzu keeps the Apple Cup alive) guarantees that Oregon State is a second-tier team (at best) and that Oregon State never gets an invite to a Power Three conference. Those games right after WWI are very relevant to the current state of college football, or maybe not. - I don't want us to play a rival team annually that was instrumental in breaking up the conference.
- Overall, in the end, while the underdog will win here and there, talent wins games.
- Under the old rules, with scholarship limits and even funding minus boosters, OSU was very competitive with UO.
- NIL has turned college football upside down. It's the Wild West and we're in a knife fight with Henry Repeating Rifles.
- If there are rules they are and will be ignored.
- UO is in the 2nd best conference. We are not in a conference.
- However great Oregon St is as a school, location, etc. those things are not paramount to most great young athletes.
- I predict the talent difference will accelerate because of our different situations.
- It's not a "Blaze of Glory" if you consistently get your head kicked in.
- I would feel the same way about Washington if I was a Cougar grad.
- You feel differently. Great! That's one thing that makes the world go around. But I NEVER want Oregon St to lose.
From 1959-1963, we played every former Pacific Coast Conference team who would play us. Tried to act like it never happened. And we went out there and performed very well, so well that Oregon State was invited into the AAWU in 1964. If we do not play former Pac-12 members, we will not be invited back. There would be no point to it. Period. We will be self-relegating. Oregon State was very competitive with Oregon? Eight years ago, we lost eight straight. And we have only won thrice since. And to state that more plainly, over the past 16 years, Oregon State is 3-13 against Oregon and 0-8 at Autzen. And to state that even more plainly, Oregon State's last win at Autzen is beyond the memory of all of Oregon State's current recruits. And what is Oregon State's record against the other Pac-12 North rivals in that period? Stanford and Washington? 4-12. Well, Wazzu. At least they are on our level? 6-10. Better not play them either. Oregon State played Utah 12 times in the past 16 years, tied for the sixth most. 4-8. Oregon State played USC nine times in the past 16 years, tied for the 9th-most. 3-6. That is more than half the Pac-12 that Oregon State is not competitive with? Good thing they demolished the conference. Fewer losses. Whew! One less thing to worry about. If you want to stretch it back even further. Oregon State is 9-21 against Oregon over the past three decades and an almost perfect 1-14 at Autzen. Should have self-relegated back in 1993. Saved a lot of heartache. I disagree. We got our teeth kicked in plenty already. But I would not trade the 21 losses for the nine wins. Each of those nine was totally worth it, each one. And if the Civil War is continued to be played beyond 2025, there will be more wins to celebrate. No one wants Oregon State to lose. I just think that Oregon State should have some pride and continue to fight, as opposed to self-relegating. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 26, 2024 12:23:13 GMT -8
Those games right after WWI are very relevant to the current state of college football, or maybe not. - I don't want us to play a rival team annually that was instrumental in breaking up the conference.
- Overall, in the end, while the underdog will win here and there, talent wins games.
- Under the old rules, with scholarship limits and even funding minus boosters, OSU was very competitive with UO.
- NIL has turned college football upside down. It's the Wild West and we're in a knife fight with Henry Repeating Rifles.
- If there are rules they are and will be ignored.
- UO is in the 2nd best conference. We are not in a conference.
- However great Oregon St is as a school, location, etc. those things are not paramount to most great young athletes.
- I predict the talent difference will accelerate because of our different situations.
- It's not a "Blaze of Glory" if you consistently get your head kicked in.
- I would feel the same way about Washington if I was a Cougar grad.
- You feel differently. Great! That's one thing that makes the world go around. But I NEVER want Oregon St to lose.
From 1959-1963, we played every former Pacific Coast Conference team who would play us. Tried to act like it never happened. And we went out there and performed very well, so well that Oregon State was invited into the AAWU in 1964. If we do not play former Pac-12 members, we will not be invited back. There would be no point to it. Period. We will be self-relegating. Oregon State was very competitive with Oregon? Eight years ago, we lost eight straight. And we have only won thrice since. And to state that more plainly, over the past 16 years, Oregon State is 3-13 against Oregon and 0-8 at Autzen. And to state that even more plainly, Oregon State's last win at Autzen is beyond the memory of all of Oregon State's current recruits. And what is Oregon State's record against the other Pac-12 North rivals in that period? Stanford and Washington? 4-12. Well, Wazzu. At least they are on our level? 6-10. Better not play them either. Oregon State played Utah 12 times in the past 16 years, tied for the sixth most. 4-8. Oregon State played USC nine times in the past 16 years, tied for the 9th-most. 3-6. That is more than half the Pac-12 that Oregon State is not competitive with? Good thing they demolished the conference. Fewer losses. Whew! One less thing to worry about. If you want to stretch it back even further. Oregon State is 9-21 against Oregon over the past three decades and an almost perfect 1-14 at Autzen. Should have self-relegated back in 1993. Saved a lot of heartache. I disagree. We got our teeth kicked in plenty already. But I would not trade the 21 losses for the nine wins. Each of those nine was totally worth it, each one. And if the Civil War is continued to be played beyond 2025, there will be more wins to celebrate. No one wants Oregon State to lose. I just think that Oregon State should have some pride and continue to fight, as opposed to self-relegating. I think he's talking about the sixties, seventies and into the eighties when he's talking about even funding minus boosters, not recent history. Phil changed everything for the dux. |
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