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Post by irimi on Apr 9, 2024 14:07:28 GMT -8
As a fan, I am hoping to see Martinez play for us at least one more year. But we all know that the kid has talent far greater than anything OSU will be able to highlight, given the current circumstances. For the next year or two, our future is shaky at best. It could turn out fine or it could end up that we just become another irrelevant team in the greater scheme of things. We fans have to sit and wait to see what will happen. But time is against Martinez. He's got to make noise, stay healthy, and get drafted. I'd love for him to play here, but I completely understand and wish him well if he jumps to a team that can give him a better shot at a pro career. Good luck Martinez! Go show them what a Beaver can do! I don't know about this. I think if he got as many or more carries for OSU this season he would put up big numbers. The offensive line took some big losses but Gray is back and I think the interior should be really good. I really like the Colorado transfer Wells. Tackles are a little inexperienced but you have the big guy from Colorado and I think there might be another transfer coming. Maybe. If Martinez leaves, OSU has other backs who will do just fine. But it's a tough loss for the Beavers. You're fooling yourself or you haven't looked at our schedule. Except for U of O and Purdue, our schedule looks like something we would've run back in the day. Running wild over Air Force and Nevada isn't going to get him noticed by the NFL. They want to see how he fares against the big defensive hogs in the SEC and B!G. He won't get that opportunity here.
I completely agree with you that it's a terrible blow to OSU football. But until things settle down, we aren't likely to have very much go our way. It's a shame, but there it is.
It's not our fault. It's not Damien's fault. The blame lies on those Traitorous f%#*tards and George K. May they all rot in hell.
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Post by irimi on Apr 9, 2024 14:09:04 GMT -8
Guess he should have thought twice before calling out his former head coach of not having any loyalty. Except he's...what?...19 or 20? I'm sure even young Henry had to eat a little crow. It's part of growing up.
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Post by highincascadia on Apr 9, 2024 14:09:08 GMT -8
I'm hearing Alabama and a lot more than that....... Seems insane to me. Hate to lose him, but if he goes, he goes. We've almost always been a plug-and-play program with RBs. Simonton, Jackson, Evensen, Quiz, Storm/Ward, Nall, Jefferson, Baylor, Martinez ... somehow we always come up with a good RB. Only "bad" year was Dwight Wright/Ryan Cole combo (I think), when DA was QB. Appreciate the positivity, however, I don't think you can just 'plug' someone into RB and expect to get the same otherworldly production as Martinez, especially with Martinez' extensive knowledge of the quirks of our incomplete offensive line. I think losing Martinez would be pretty devastating for the program personally, considering we are expected to have him for another year or so. He's a supremely talented young individual who actually wanted to try and 'build a dam' here, yet the lights and pressure might have been brighter than expected.
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Post by 93beav on Apr 9, 2024 14:10:53 GMT -8
Quite possible it's either disappointment in the new system or a clash with a coach. Well, now we can have them use the NIL money for WBB I think, given we're always going to get outbid, that we should give just enough NIL to prevent them from going and forget about trying to swing gigantic paydays for anyone. Because if they're really good, it just will never matter and we'll have wasted the lot. What is enough? Martinez says $400K isn't "enough" Also, why would we give money to WBB, the sport that loses that AD department the most money? That makes zero business sense. Enough is to be determined based upon when they actually start publishing NIL deals and we see what the averages are and whom we want to stay ahead of... The comment about WBB was...somewhat a joke, but if you're going to go down that road... WBB has fewer people, easier to fund. But I get it, it's "just business" like everyone says. Heck, if we're doing the "just business" thing, let's drop all sports except football, as it's really the only money maker, although we'll probably have to drop down to the lowest division. But wait, if it's really "just business", let's just license out the name and branding for OSU to private equity and have them run a team. Then we'll just be getting pure profit and they can deal with the expense. We could even lease the stadium back to them. But, then again, if it's "just business", let's re-evaluate. Maybe we could demolish the stadium and lease the land to some corp develop to put up a mega mall for all the students to use. Maybe we could get the construction money back and then some. And then the team using our licensing can play at a local high school field they rent out. Going this route also allows us to cut all AD staff as well, another business/money saver. Even better, we could license Oregon State football teams in international markets. So Denmark would have an OSU football team. India would have an OSU football team. Botswana would have an OSU football team. And then, we could sell all of the alumni email and phone numbers and include the PE firm's pitch in every message our OSU marketing team (if it still exists) sends out. We get cash back - it's "just business" after all! Maybe we could run some sort of theme through all degrees to where the non-athlete students believe they are getting real-world experience, which they sort of are, but really they're working for the PE firm's investment for free. But we get to charge them tuition. Don't worry, it's okay, because it's "just business"! The problem with this whole sad state of affairs is that it used to be about getting an education first and then some people who were gifted at sports could join teams and we'd all cheer them along. And then it, like most things currently in society, became "just business". So, yeah, not a whole lot of business sense in the idea of giving WBB some more NIL except that, as fans, maybe it lessens the sting in one sport if for just a year.
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Post by sparty on Apr 9, 2024 14:17:57 GMT -8
Canzano said he turned down 400k to stay.
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Post by rafer on Apr 9, 2024 14:20:20 GMT -8
And, of course the dude and his handlers still think he has a NFL future. Sorry, but he doesn't... DM is a one-trick pony and no new deal will change his prospects of actually making an NFL roster. My opinion of course... Not sure he’s exactly a one trick pony, but with the other kids sticking around and Jam coming back (not to mention the offensive tweaks that are coming), maybe he can foresee another year of splitting carries ahead and wants to go where he can be THE featured back. A bunch of the top NCAA yardage guys had 50-100 more carries than he did. Maybe the carries is it, could be. But, he's in one piece, so maybe taking a break every so often helps your longevity?? Something to think about, but again, maybe not if you're intent on being the star RB??
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Post by highincascadia on Apr 9, 2024 14:21:09 GMT -8
Man this is really depressing news. I think I need to step back from OSU athletics for the time being. Don't know if I can even enjoy the baseball season knowing that ultimately we will lose so many guys. It's not even the fans fault. We donate. We go to games. We paid tuition. We support. What more can we do? I really believe we just don't have the donors where it matters: wealthy alumni who care about sports. The money ain't coming. And as disenfranchised fans continue to further develop apathy towards college sports and more importantly OSU athletics, the donations will really start to dry up. At that point we can pretty much accept permanent purgatory and mid level athletics. I hate to say it but we need a Phil Knight care package, because guess what? The calvary ain't coming.
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Post by grayman on Apr 9, 2024 14:21:24 GMT -8
I don't know about this. I think if he got as many or more carries for OSU this season he would put up big numbers. The offensive line took some big losses but Gray is back and I think the interior should be really good. I really like the Colorado transfer Wells. Tackles are a little inexperienced but you have the big guy from Colorado and I think there might be another transfer coming. Maybe. If Martinez leaves, OSU has other backs who will do just fine. But it's a tough loss for the Beavers. You're fooling yourself or you haven't looked at our schedule. Except for U of O and Purdue, our schedule looks like something we would've run back in the day. Running wild over Air Force and Nevada isn't going to get him noticed by the NFL. They want to see how he fares against the big defensive hogs in the SEC and B!G. He won't get that opportunity here.
I completely agree with you that it's a terrible blow to OSU football. But until things settle down, we aren't likely to have very much go our way. It's a shame, but there it is.
It's not our fault. It's not Damien's fault. The blame lies on those Traitorous f%#*tards and George K. May they all rot in hell.
The NFL knows everything it needs to know about him. He could play for Montana State at this point and he'd get drafted when he was done. He was first team all-Pac-12, was on the watch lists for Doak Walker Award, Earl Campbell Award and Maxwell Award. The idea that he needs more exposure is nonsense from the NFL perspective. Maybe he just wants that SEC glory and a big payday.
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Post by sonoma beav on Apr 9, 2024 14:28:59 GMT -8
New Favorite RB: Isaiah Newell Honorable Mention: Jam Griffin Looking forward to: Cornell Hatcher. I'm not sold on Newell from what I saw last year. Jam showed more and the new guys intrigue me.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 9, 2024 14:35:55 GMT -8
What is enough? Martinez says $400K isn't "enough" Also, why would we give money to WBB, the sport that loses that AD department the most money? That makes zero business sense. Enough is to be determined based upon when they actually start publishing NIL deals and we see what the averages are and whom we want to stay ahead of... The comment about WBB was...somewhat a joke, but if you're going to go down that road... WBB has fewer people, easier to fund. But I get it, it's "just business" like everyone says. Heck, if we're doing the "just business" thing, let's drop all sports except football, as it's really the only money maker, although we'll probably have to drop down to the lowest division. But wait, if it's really "just business", let's just license out the name and branding for OSU to private equity and have them run a team. Then we'll just be getting pure profit and they can deal with the expense. We could even lease the stadium back to them. But, then again, if it's "just business", let's re-evaluate. Maybe we could demolish the stadium and lease the land to some corp develop to put up a mega mall for all the students to use. Maybe we could get the construction money back and then some. And then the team using our licensing can play at a local high school field they rent out. Going this route also allows us to cut all AD staff as well, another business/money saver. Even better, we could license Oregon State football teams in international markets. So Denmark would have an OSU football team. India would have an OSU football team. Botswana would have an OSU football team. And then, we could sell all of the alumni email and phone numbers and include the PE firm's pitch in every message our OSU marketing team (if it still exists) sends out. We get cash back - it's "just business" after all! Maybe we could run some sort of theme through all degrees to where the non-athlete students believe they are getting real-world experience, which they sort of are, but really they're working for the PE firm's investment for free. But we get to charge them tuition. Don't worry, it's okay, because it's "just business"! The problem with this whole sad state of affairs is that it used to be about getting an education first and then some people who were gifted at sports could join teams and we'd all cheer them along. And then it, like most things currently in society, became "just business". So, yeah, not a whole lot of business sense in the idea of giving WBB some more NIL except that, as fans, maybe it lessens the sting in one sport if for just a year. Wow, talk about reading too much into my post. My point is that our AD department is taking a huge revenue haircut and if NIL money should be put towards anything, it needs to be the revenue generating sports that can help fund the other sports. Plus, having a really good WBB team is not going to give you any chance to end up back in a major conference, which is the goal, although I have my doubts it will happen. I wasn't talking about any of the other "business" stuff that you ranted on about.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 14:43:48 GMT -8
Enough is to be determined based upon when they actually start publishing NIL deals and we see what the averages are and whom we want to stay ahead of... The comment about WBB was...somewhat a joke, but if you're going to go down that road... WBB has fewer people, easier to fund. But I get it, it's "just business" like everyone says. Heck, if we're doing the "just business" thing, let's drop all sports except football, as it's really the only money maker, although we'll probably have to drop down to the lowest division. But wait, if it's really "just business", let's just license out the name and branding for OSU to private equity and have them run a team. Then we'll just be getting pure profit and they can deal with the expense. We could even lease the stadium back to them. But, then again, if it's "just business", let's re-evaluate. Maybe we could demolish the stadium and lease the land to some corp develop to put up a mega mall for all the students to use. Maybe we could get the construction money back and then some. And then the team using our licensing can play at a local high school field they rent out. Going this route also allows us to cut all AD staff as well, another business/money saver. Even better, we could license Oregon State football teams in international markets. So Denmark would have an OSU football team. India would have an OSU football team. Botswana would have an OSU football team. And then, we could sell all of the alumni email and phone numbers and include the PE firm's pitch in every message our OSU marketing team (if it still exists) sends out. We get cash back - it's "just business" after all! Maybe we could run some sort of theme through all degrees to where the non-athlete students believe they are getting real-world experience, which they sort of are, but really they're working for the PE firm's investment for free. But we get to charge them tuition. Don't worry, it's okay, because it's "just business"! The problem with this whole sad state of affairs is that it used to be about getting an education first and then some people who were gifted at sports could join teams and we'd all cheer them along. And then it, like most things currently in society, became "just business". So, yeah, not a whole lot of business sense in the idea of giving WBB some more NIL except that, as fans, maybe it lessens the sting in one sport if for just a year. Wow, talk about reading too much into my post. My point is that our AD department is taking a huge revenue haircut and if NIL money should be put towards anything, it needs to be the revenue generating sports that can help fund the other sports. Plus, having a really good WBB team is not going to give you any chance to end up back in a major conference, which is the goal, although I have my doubts it will happen. I wasn't talking about any of the other "business" stuff that you ranted on about. agreed. Best business move we could make is pay the mafia to make Tinkle an offer he can't refuse.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 9, 2024 14:45:06 GMT -8
Wow, talk about reading too much into my post. My point is that our AD department is taking a huge revenue haircut and if NIL money should be put towards anything, it needs to be the revenue generating sports that can help fund the other sports. Plus, having a really good WBB team is not going to give you any chance to end up back in a major conference, which is the goal, although I have my doubts it will happen. I wasn't talking about any of the other "business" stuff that you ranted on about. agreed. Best business move we could make is pay the mafia to make Tinkle an offer he can't refuse. Yep, it's not helping matters that we suck in basketball.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 14:45:31 GMT -8
I don't know about this. I think if he got as many or more carries for OSU this season he would put up big numbers. The offensive line took some big losses but Gray is back and I think the interior should be really good. I really like the Colorado transfer Wells. Tackles are a little inexperienced but you have the big guy from Colorado and I think there might be another transfer coming. Maybe. If Martinez leaves, OSU has other backs who will do just fine. But it's a tough loss for the Beavers. You're fooling yourself or you haven't looked at our schedule. Except for U of O and Purdue, our schedule looks like something we would've run back in the day. Running wild over Air Force and Nevada isn't going to get him noticed by the NFL. They want to see how he fares against the big defensive hogs in the SEC and B!G. He won't get that opportunity here.
I completely agree with you that it's a terrible blow to OSU football. But until things settle down, we aren't likely to have very much go our way. It's a shame, but there it is.
It's not our fault. It's not Damien's fault. The blame lies on those Traitorous f%#*tards and George K. May they all rot in hell.
I don't know about that. Boise State has two RB's in the league who were drafted in first 4 rounds. I'm pretty sure there's probably quite a few others from the WAC / MWC over the years. When Utah was a WAC school and went undefeated under Meyer both Meyer and his players received plenty of attention and opportunities. You lead your conference as an individual at your position and your team wins you will get noticed no matter what conference you're from. Too many examples over the years begin to list; Jerry RIce, Rothlesberger (however you spell it), Josh Allen, etc, etc, etc......
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 14:48:19 GMT -8
I worry that the change of heart might be due to Damw not wanting to be on a crap team his final season. Seems like a bit of a signal that spring practice wasn't looking great.
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Post by jayvinson on Apr 9, 2024 14:49:29 GMT -8
Pros are going to look at measurables, not how many yards he gets or doesn't get.
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