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Post by zebraworks on Oct 26, 2015 6:25:08 GMT -8
wonder if the mitchell thing is due to Crowton? came out of left field. I guess McMarion must of regressed since getting less than a dozen snaps in game time??
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Post by rafer on Oct 26, 2015 7:00:01 GMT -8
Very misleading stat IMO. Seth is ahead of Jonathan in TD/INT ratio for his first season as well. He does have a lower yards per passing attempt at this point. I have seen a substantial number of dropped passes this season that have been on the money, I don't recall who Jonathan's receivers were his first year, but he worked with several of OSU's best over his career. I'd think Seth's 5.4 ypc and multiple 100+ yard running games vs the negative yardage most of OSU's top QBS have averaged might factor into some people taking a wait and see position before completely bagging on the kid as well.
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Post by rafer on Oct 26, 2015 7:09:23 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is calling for anyone's head, just that even a freshman QB at this level should be able to hit a WIDE open REC, almost every time, that is NOT happening. It ought to be, and is, unacceptable to see a QB throw 10 feet over a rec. head from 15 yards, and it has happened too often. Maybe he gets too wired or who knows, but they can't let that go on and NOT make a change. Hopefully he/they grow up soon, or at least start playing the way they are capable given the lack of experience. No one expects them to be all league candidates at this point, but significant improvement by this time in the season is warranted, and it isn't there yet IMO. I am pretty sure the coaches as well are befuddled. 2015 was at best going to be questionable, and it's proven to be more than that at this point. Free pass this year but next year will have to be better by a fairly good margin I would think, again, not expecting a .500 year next year either.
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Post by bvrbred on Oct 26, 2015 7:30:49 GMT -8
2 things: it doesn't matter what the fans think, it is obvious the Coaches think our QB's can't throw. They are the ones who have run three different guys out there willy nilly. I have never seen anything like it...and let's not forget that last years starting QB at Wisconsin is now playing receiver. the game has changed since 2000. In 2000 none of the QB's in the league had percentages above 55%. Right now 6 of 12 are above 60%, 2 are above 70% and the only QB below 55% is Collins at 50.5%. To to see the gap, Hogan leading the PAC 12 has a pass efficiency number of 200, Collins, last in the PAC, has a efficiency numbe of 100. The only QB on this team that this staff actually recruited was Collins. And he was, at best, a long shot. He had only one other offer to play QB. Even though Baldwin had been recruiting him to Colo State, they had not offered him to play QB there. There was about one month to go in the recruiting season at the time Baldwin as hired here. So, what do you do? Play the hand you're dealt with a bunch of pro set recruit best case backups, or at least try to give yourself a chance to play your own scheme? Given all of that, add in the failure of the RB running game to materialize (until Nall now hopefully?), the disappointing wide receiver play, the failure of the TE game to appear, and Collins' performance this year shouldn't surprise anyone. The only thing that surprises me (besides the failure of the RB running game to materialize, the disappointing wide receiver player, and the failure of the TE game to appear) is how good Collins is as a broken field runner.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 26, 2015 8:31:00 GMT -8
I'm actually surprised at how decent Collins can even throw. It's not great but I was expecting to see him be really bad. I think with time in the system he could be a reasonably decent passer, assuming he gets the decision making down.
It's a good point made that the coaching staff really hasn't recruited a QB other than Collins yet, and Collins was more or less a shot to get some kind of dual threat. From what stories I've heard they had all of one phone call invested in his recruiting. I think they've had a pretty good return on that phone call so far.
I never said Collins or any of the kids will be our long term guy, just that they may not be as bad as some here try to paint them as.
To Nexus73, I give them basically a complete pass this year. I expect next year is gonna suck in the win loss column as well, but we should see improved play. I think year three is fair game for judging whether the staff can build a team. There's a possibility it could be another couple decades before we find a coaching staff that can get us to bowl games more often than not.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 26, 2015 12:15:22 GMT -8
Very misleading stat IMO. Seth is ahead of Jonathan in TD/INT ratio for his first season as well. He does have a lower yards per passing attempt at this point. I have seen a substantial number of dropped passes this season that have been on the money, I don't recall who Jonathan's receivers were his first year, but he worked with several of OSU's best over his career. I'd think Seth's 5.4 ypc and multiple 100+ yard running games vs the negative yardage most of OSU's top QBS have averaged might factor into some people taking a wait and see position before completely bagging on the kid as well. So the point is to have better stats than the last guy, instead of directing the team to win games. Got it.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 26, 2015 13:14:17 GMT -8
Seth is ahead of Jonathan in TD/INT ratio for his first season as well. He does have a lower yards per passing attempt at this point. I have seen a substantial number of dropped passes this season that have been on the money, I don't recall who Jonathan's receivers were his first year, but he worked with several of OSU's best over his career. I'd think Seth's 5.4 ypc and multiple 100+ yard running games vs the negative yardage most of OSU's top QBS have averaged might factor into some people taking a wait and see position before completely bagging on the kid as well. So the point is to have better stats than the last guy, instead of directing the team to win games. Got it. Not hardly. The point is there are people here making generalizations and giving up on a kid (and the team as well) who is 7 games removed from high school. I've seen a lot of young kids at OSU who board members have criticised their first season or two turn pro. 1st and 2nd year players (and coaches) are rarely a finished product.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Oct 26, 2015 13:29:31 GMT -8
So the point is to have better stats than the last guy, instead of directing the team to win games. Got it. Not hardly. The point is there are people here making generalizations and giving up on a kid (and the team as well) who is 7 games removed from high school. I've seen a lot of young kids at OSU who board members have criticised their first season or two turn pro. 1st and 2nd year players (and coaches) are rarely a finished product. So it's all about improving from start to finish.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Oct 26, 2015 13:34:07 GMT -8
, but good programs have found a way to hide a QBs deficiencies pretty well while the QB matures. It's inexcusable to me that we couldn't find a way to simplify the offense to score more than 13 points at home against CU. For instance Jeff Lockie at TSDTR? A QB that has been in a similar system makes the team run pretty well. But even 3 years(?) in and Lockie has trouble moving the team.
And yes we need to score more points. A dropped INT that may have been a Pick 6 probably turned the game Saturday. But I get ahead of myself. Penalties hurt us. Some PI called & non called hurt too. Then DeCoud going down put a damper of the play for a series
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 26, 2015 15:03:31 GMT -8
Not hardly. The point is there are people here making generalizations and giving up on a kid (and the team as well) who is 7 games removed from high school. I've seen a lot of young kids at OSU who board members have criticised their first season or two turn pro. 1st and 2nd year players (and coaches) are rarely a finished product. So it's all about improving from start to finish. It's all about improving over time period. I could see improvement in both Collins and the team through the Stanford game. After that not so. I expected a good share of bad games this year, fewer next, etc. The coaches haven't even had 1 full recruiting session yet... there's next to nothing to pass negative judgement on.
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