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Post by bennyorange on Dec 7, 2017 12:16:33 GMT -8
Maybe it's the title that bothers me but I would have preferred he had a reduced position coach (QB, WR) or honorary title. ACH makes it sound like he has a lot of authority and I want JS to be running the show not MR.
It will be interesting to see the pay level. If it's $150K or something similar I would consider the ACH title to somewhat "honorary". If it's $750K or more than he's taking money that could be used to get other quality assistants. I'm pretty sure he got a healthy buyout at Nebraska and for crying out loud how much money does he need after all these years of pulling down multi-million dollar salaries.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 7, 2017 12:19:34 GMT -8
Ok coach Riley, get the grandbaby off your knee and hit the recruiting circuit! Time to start earning that cornhusker $$ again  Go Beavs!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 12:22:17 GMT -8
Maybe it's the title that bothers me but I would have preferred he had a reduced position coach (QB, WR) or honorary title. ACH makes it sound like he has a lot of authority and I want JS to be running the show not MR. It will be interesting to see the pay level. If it's $150K or something similar I would consider the ACH title to somewhat "honorary". If it's $750K or more than he's taking money that could be used to get other quality assistants. I'm pretty sure he got a healthy buyout at Nebraska and for crying out loud how much money does he need after all these years of pulling down multi-million dollar salaries. I think the problem with that is if his salary is not considered market rate than Nebraska can probably sue for breach of contract. When coaches are fired they typically have an offset clause that requires them to seek similar employment to offset what is owed to them. If he is an AHC making 150K he'd probably be in breach of such a clause. But I could be wrong and that and if I am I hope you are right. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 12:24:02 GMT -8
Most head coaches have someone as an asst. HC that is around their age, their experience. JS has no HC experience but he could bring in someone who he trusts that he doesn't feel obligated to! Wait.. are you saying that JS with no head coaching experience should bring in someone else with NO experience as his assistant HC? So we should go with rooks all the way around? How do you know he was obligated and doesn't trust MR? What age is the right age? What were your thoughts on Coach Chad K as our last associate head coach? Honestly who isn't to say Mike Riley isn't a better coach now than he was when he left OS three years ago? He might have added to his already well rounded perpective. He might be recharged and ready to actually coach players without all the HC overhead. If there is one guy that is not likely to interfere, it's probably him. I think its great. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 7, 2017 12:24:15 GMT -8
Maybe it's the title that bothers me but I would have preferred he had a reduced position coach (QB, WR) or honorary title. ACH makes it sound like he has a lot of authority and I want JS to be running the show not MR. It will be interesting to see the pay level. If it's $150K or something similar I would consider the ACH title to somewhat "honorary". If it's $750K or more than he's taking money that could be used to get other quality assistants. I'm pretty sure he got a healthy buyout at Nebraska and for crying out loud how much money does he need after all these years of pulling down multi-million dollar salaries. I think the problem with that is if his salary is not considered market rate than Nebraska can probably sue for breach of contract. When coaches are fired they typically have an offset clause that requires them to seek similar employment to offset what is owed to them. If he is an AHC making 150K he'd probably be in breach of such a clause. But I could be wrong and that and if I am I hope you are right. That is correct. You have to pay them market rate. That prevents teams from hiring coaches and paying them $1 per year while letting their old team pick up the tab. |
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Post by bennyorange on Dec 7, 2017 12:28:27 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 7, 2017 12:34:32 GMT -8
I don't like this for a lot of reasons. One, Mike Riley hasn't been an assistant coach at the collegiate level in a LONG time. Head Coaches usually have a control factor about them and it's part of the competitive personality. I have a very hard time believing that Mike Riley is not going to try and have a big influence on this team. And I don't see a guy like Jonathan Smith standing his ground or telling Riley "no". So who's team is it then? The other part here is that if Jonathan Smith wanted to show that he was ready to take on a program, he shouldn't need a guy like Riley officially on staff to be that cushion! First major mistake, in my eyes of JS' Coaching debut. Who's next? Mark Banker? Good effing God! Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice shame on me! Fool me three times....  Go Beavs! You have absolutely no clue and are "uneducated" on several levels. First you do not MR's or JS personalities or relationship. They do... JS made the call. And... it's a great decision for a 1st time HC, let alone one in a P5 job. It will not be a long term job for MR, but he gives a low cost (I'm guessing he is taking a pretty bargain basement deal... fills his contract requirement to Huskers to look for work, and still get the difference from them) option that brings a vast wealth of experience and knowledge... which includes all the pitfalls he has made. 2nd, you've either never coached at a high level or have and you and those around you have egos that won't allow yourself to be surrounded by others with more knowledge and experience. It is the one sure sign that a HC is truly a good fit. They WELCOME knowledge and experience as long as they deem it a good fit! And, of course to your complete "uneducated" dismay JS thinks so. 3rd... every coach should have a big influence on this team! So again, you are espousing JS as a good hire one minute, then disparaging him the next because he brings back a mentor to help him succeed. Sounds like you are more into yourself/your opinion than seeing JS and the OSU football program have a chance to progress. Luckily "your eyes" have nothing to do with the way the program is run. Watch and learn... |
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Post by biggieorange on Dec 7, 2017 12:35:03 GMT -8
I don't like this for a lot of reasons. One, Mike Riley hasn't been an assistant coach at the collegiate level in a LONG time. Head Coaches usually have a control factor about them and it's part of the competitive personality. I have a very hard time believing that Mike Riley is not going to try and have a big influence on this team. And I don't see a guy like Jonathan Smith standing his ground or telling Riley "no". So who's team is it then? The other part here is that if Jonathan Smith wanted to show that he was ready to take on a program, he shouldn't need a guy like Riley officially on staff to be that cushion! First major mistake, in my eyes of JS' Coaching debut. Who's next? Mark Banker? Good effing God! Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice shame on me! Fool me three times.... Go Beavs! Ill go out on a limb here and assume you have never ever met Coach Smith. Contrary to appearances, he does not lack for confidence or assertiveness, which any perceptible individual can tell in about 2 minutes. FYI Coach Smith doesn't need me defending him, this is just for your knowledge. |
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Post by joecool on Dec 7, 2017 12:37:33 GMT -8
Not only do I think this is a good hire and am happy to have Riley back, I love it even more to spite all the people that are against it.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 7, 2017 12:37:51 GMT -8
Not even remotely... not sure any two have coached together except JS and McDonald at UW... Bray and MR at Nebraska... seems like integrating several bands??? |
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Post by thomasg86 on Dec 7, 2017 12:37:52 GMT -8
"I told Jonathan to hire the best people he can and plug me in wherever he wants to," Riley told the Portland Tribune. "I could do the secondary — that's where I spent half my career. I could coach quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends. … I'll do whatever Jonathan wants me to do."Sounds like someone with a huge ego and a thirst for power. 
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 7, 2017 12:38:06 GMT -8
I wasn't pining for Riley to come back and thought it might just be better to turn the page, but if JS thinks it is a good fit then I'm happy. I really don't see the possibility of Riley undermining JS in any way that high. I was more worried about the dynamics among all the assistants with Riley in the mix. Do they at some point feel Riley has JS's ear more than they or others do and would that cause problems. But having a former HC that you have a strong relationship on staff might help him successfully navigate all the "CEO duties" that he's never had to deal with but Riley has.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 7, 2017 12:38:27 GMT -8
What's great about the events of this season. GA walked away from millions thus helping us tremendously. Now Nebraska will be paying for our Assistant Head Coach. You couldn't ask for a better scenario from a financial perspective. LOL this is great. The assist HC that also left us millions... |
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Post by biggieorange on Dec 7, 2017 12:40:52 GMT -8
"I told Jonathan to hire the best people he can and plug me in wherever he wants to," Riley told the Portland Tribune. "I could do the secondary — that's where I spent half my career. I could coach quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends. … I'll do whatever Jonathan wants me to do."Sounds like someone with a huge ego and a thirst for power. Totally, such a tyrant, just cant be a second fiddle or supporting role. |
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Post by blackbug on Dec 7, 2017 12:52:23 GMT -8
Not even remotely... not sure any two have coached together except JS and McDonald at UW... Bray and MR at Nebraska... seems like integrating several bands??? Getting the band back together means just that, many coaches who worked together at many locations all returning together to a single school. The previous staff that used the phrase came from many different schools, but had mostly all worked together. Coming from locations such as Wisconsin, Utah, Utah State, Colorado State, USF, and others. Now the results should be different this time, but the expression works just the same. |
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