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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 1, 2020 11:52:39 GMT -8
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 1, 2020 12:30:53 GMT -8
It is concerning. I think, like we have already seen with phase I allowing bars to reopen, economics is driving the decisions as much as best practices for health. I don't think you'd find an epidemiologist on earth that would advocate re opening bars to be first on the list of things to open, but lottery funds tanked 70%, and lottery funds basically everything. So lo and behold, bars opened with restaurants in phase I.
The lost money to OSU and Oregon, not to mention PSU and other smaller colleges are going to be just too large to ignore. While Governors have been talking big about keeping fans away for months now, they are going to use any possible excuse they can to let them come back.
Maybe that will be bad, maybe not. We have 3 months until then. a lot can happen. we are 3 months into this outbreak, exactly today, in Oregon. 90 days ago, today, the first case was confirmed. We have covered a lot of ground in what already feels like a lifetime to most of us. Lets all just hope the system keeps working, treatments get better, outbreaks get contained, people act smart and we are all enjoying football in the fall.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 1, 2020 13:31:17 GMT -8
It is concerning. I think, like we have already seen with phase I allowing bars to reopen, economics is driving the decisions as much as best practices for health. I don't think you'd find an epidemiologist on earth that would advocate re opening bars to be first on the list of things to open, but lottery funds tanked 70%, and lottery funds basically everything. So lo and behold, bars opened with restaurants in phase I. The lost money to OSU and Oregon, not to mention PSU and other smaller colleges are going to be just too large to ignore. While Governors have been talking big about keeping fans away for months now, they are going to use any possible excuse they can to let them come back. Maybe that will be bad, maybe not. We have 3 months until then. a lot can happen. we are 3 months into this outbreak, exactly today, in Oregon. 90 days ago, today, the first case was confirmed. We have covered a lot of ground in what already feels like a lifetime to most of us. Lets all just hope the system keeps working, treatments get better, outbreaks get contained, people act smart and we are all enjoying football in the fall. The Bundesliga restarted after a 10-week hiatus with no fans exactly because Merkel was worried about the effect of a longer delay on some of the smaller clubs. La Liga is set to restart in a week-and-a-half after a 14-week hiatus. Spain's coronavirus death rate is more than 80% higher than the death rate in the United States (arguably the hardest-hit major country in the world), but they appreciate that you have to re-open sometime. I agree with you, bars have to reopen, football has to start, and at least some fans have to pay to attend. Everyone will work to make this happen, because the alternative is flatly not feasible.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 1, 2020 15:07:24 GMT -8
It is concerning. I think, like we have already seen with phase I allowing bars to reopen, economics is driving the decisions as much as best practices for health. I don't think you'd find an epidemiologist on earth that would advocate re opening bars to be first on the list of things to open, but lottery funds tanked 70%, and lottery funds basically everything. So lo and behold, bars opened with restaurants in phase I. The lost money to OSU and Oregon, not to mention PSU and other smaller colleges are going to be just too large to ignore. While Governors have been talking big about keeping fans away for months now, they are going to use any possible excuse they can to let them come back. Maybe that will be bad, maybe not. We have 3 months until then. a lot can happen. we are 3 months into this outbreak, exactly today, in Oregon. 90 days ago, today, the first case was confirmed. We have covered a lot of ground in what already feels like a lifetime to most of us. Lets all just hope the system keeps working, treatments get better, outbreaks get contained, people act smart and we are all enjoying football in the fall. The Bundesliga restarted after a 10-week hiatus with no fans exactly because Merkel was worried about the effect of a longer delay on some of the smaller clubs. La Liga is set to restart in a week-and-a-half after a 14-week hiatus. Spain's coronavirus death rate is more than 80% higher than the death rate in the United States (arguably the hardest-hit major country in the world), but they appreciate that you have to re-open sometime. I agree with you, bars have to reopen, football has to start, and at least some fans have to pay to attend. Everyone will work to make this happen, because the alternative is flatly not feasible. As data gets better, we get a better scope of COVID and it's impact. real hospitalization rates are falling. real mortality is falling. That is not to say it is isn't serious. it is. but COVID is not 3% mortality rate, 30% hospitalization rate bad, the numbers early testing was indicating. It is tracking more like a 0.5% mortality rate, 15% hospitalization rate disease. Still, worse than the flu, but more like, twice as bad, not 10 times as bad. It is tracking to be a manageable disease. The reason it is good to know this, is you can now start to accurately model health care need. because COVID is never going away. it is here to stay and we cannot be shut down forever and we cannot hold hope that a vaccine will save us. You have to understand how it works, have the best prevention you can and the best treatment you can. then, as gross as it sounds, you have to accept the collateral, just like we accept the collateral of the flu today, of diabetes, and heart disease, and COPD and a myriad of other diseases exacerbated and even caused by commingling of other people, by our economic, our policies or our businesses. What makes moving forward possible is we can now plan for it. Have the supplies, the space, the beds and the people ready. Unlike a few months ago.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 1, 2020 19:11:09 GMT -8
The worst case scenario Has to be to allow season ticket holders to be spectators plus players families, and perhaps students allowed in on a lottery basis. Anything short of that you might as well shut down all of athletics.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 1, 2020 20:22:32 GMT -8
The worst case scenario Has to be to allow season ticket holders to be spectators plus players families, and perhaps students allowed in on a lottery basis. Anything short of that you might as well shut down all of athletics. If 50% is that bottom line, a 50% full Reser leaves a WHOLE lotta room to spread out. It would suck, but a "no tailgating" half capacity scenario where each group of ticket holders are one row apart and at lease 3-4 seats between isn't completely infeasible. and unless we are just getting crushed by a full blown second wave I don't see why not. There are some logistic issues, like all tickets must be reserved, no walk up purchases and things like that... but it could work and would be better than nothing.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jun 1, 2020 20:45:03 GMT -8
It's impossible to keep people 6ft apart at a stadium. What happens with bathrooms shut off 75% of the urinals and toilets? What no yelling, high fiving, can't talk to another fan? How do you walk between rows or down stairs without walking past others? I'm almost to the point sell as many tickets as possible. Buyer beware.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 1, 2020 21:22:36 GMT -8
It's impossible to keep people 6ft apart at a stadium. What happens with bathrooms shut off 75% of the urinals and toilets? What no yelling, high fiving, can't talk to another fan? How do you walk between rows or down stairs without walking past others? I'm almost to the point sell as many tickets as possible. Buyer beware. Disney Springs warning: COVID-19 Warning We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Disney Springs. An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable. By visiting Disney Springs you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19. Let's keep each other healthy and safe. Reser Stadium warning: COVID-19 Warning We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Reser Stadium. An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable. By visiting Reser Stadium you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19. Let's keep each other healthy and safe. I would at least cover up every other urinal. Make sure no one sits at the ends of rows. Cover up every other row. Reser Stadium can make it work.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 1, 2020 21:42:13 GMT -8
It's impossible to keep people 6ft apart at a stadium. What happens with bathrooms shut off 75% of the urinals and toilets? What no yelling, high fiving, can't talk to another fan? How do you walk between rows or down stairs without walking past others? I'm almost to the point sell as many tickets as possible. Buyer beware. Disney Springs warning: COVID-19 Warning We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Disney Springs. An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable. By visiting Disney Springs you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19. Let's keep each other healthy and safe. Reser Stadium warning: COVID-19 Warning We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Reser Stadium. An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable. By visiting Reser Stadium you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19. Let's keep each other healthy and safe. I would at least cover up every other urinal. Make sure no one sits at the ends of rows. Cover up every other row. Reser Stadium can make it work. "By visiting Reser Stadium you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19." Yeah, that won't fly legally. A stupid defense attorney would argue that if the virus is so deadly, the park shouldn't be open. And he/she/it would win.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 1, 2020 22:14:34 GMT -8
Disney Springs warning: COVID-19 Warning We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Disney Springs. An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable. By visiting Disney Springs you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19. Let's keep each other healthy and safe. Reser Stadium warning: COVID-19 Warning We have taken enhanced health and safety measures—for you, our other Guests, and Cast Members. You must follow all posted instructions while visiting Reser Stadium. An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, senior citizens and guests with underlying medical conditions are especially vulnerable. By visiting Reser Stadium you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19. Let's keep each other healthy and safe. I would at least cover up every other urinal. Make sure no one sits at the ends of rows. Cover up every other row. Reser Stadium can make it work. "By visiting Reser Stadium you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19." Yeah, that won't fly legally. A stupid defense attorney would argue that if the virus is so deadly, the park shouldn't be open. And he/she/it would win. A stupid defense attorney? Plaintiff attorney? Are you trying to posit that "Enter at your own risk" signs are ineffective legally? Lawsuits work, when a company has superior knowledge, and fails to account for a known risk that the public at large is unaware of. For example, a company that serves coffee hotter than most other establishments and has had several complaints about how hot the coffee is can get sued, when a person is injured, because of how hot the coffee is, when they did not know beforehand and were not warned. The best lawyers in America work for Disney. If the disclaimer works for them, I have to believe that it will work for Oregon State University.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 1, 2020 23:02:06 GMT -8
"By visiting Reser Stadium you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19." Yeah, that won't fly legally. A stupid defense attorney would argue that if the virus is so deadly, the park shouldn't be open. And he/she/it would win. A stupid defense attorney? Plaintiff attorney? Are you trying to posit that "Enter at your own risk" signs are ineffective legally? Lawsuits work, when a company has superior knowledge, and fails to account for a known risk that the public at large is unaware of. For example, a company that serves coffee hotter than most other establishments and has had several complaints about how hot the coffee is can get sued, when a person is injured, because of how hot the coffee is, when they did not know beforehand and were not warned. The best lawyers in America work for Disney. If the disclaimer works for them, I have to believe that it will work for Oregon State University. What these statements do is limit the number of civil suits from people who figure that's the way it is. They never consult an attorney.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 1, 2020 23:48:05 GMT -8
Many people say defense attorneys are stupid, overpaid, etc. Until they need one.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 2, 2020 0:03:22 GMT -8
Many people say defense attorneys are stupid, overpaid, etc. Until they need one. I meant plaintiff attorney and the "stupid" was intended to indicate that a stupid attorney could make the argument. A smart one ...
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 2, 2020 0:58:58 GMT -8
GOOD LUCK "proving" where/how you CONTRACTED a virus. Lol It's easier than you think. Your virus genetic code would be sequenced and compared to others. Contact tracing would identify everyone who was at a location on a given day and time. Get enough data points, randomly sample those, and regress the data. ATown can explain the statistics better than I. But ...
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 2, 2020 5:08:23 GMT -8
What I don't understand is...and let me preface this with a few things. I'm not very litigious by nature. I don't have education in any legal areas at all.
What I don't understand is how any person that would CHOOSE to attend an event---be it sports, music, drama, etc---that the expectation is that they will be around a large group of people, would think that if they contract Covid they could hold said event sponsor as libel. How does that make sense?
Other than looking for $, how does it make sense for an attorney to take that case? I guess I'm just not built like others.
Let's see...go to a large public place and mingle with others, by choice. In fact, pay for the priviledge to be there, contract Covid and get paid! Just does not seem to make rational sense to me.
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