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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 8, 2020 9:32:36 GMT -8
Meanwhile, here's another former OSU football player's take on things: Brandon is confused.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 8, 2020 9:34:49 GMT -8
Black's Law states that expungement of a record is the "Process by which record of criminal conviction is destroyed or sealed from the state or Federal repository." Whether it is destroyed or merely sealed is up to the State of Washington. However, judging from subsequent articles, I believe that Washington merely seals them. (But that is just an educated guess.) Regardless, it may be a crime (or at least a fireable offense), if you do not disclose that you have an expunged conviction. But that gets back to whether it is a "conviction" or not. I’ve never disclosed my expunged conviction. I was told it was like it never happened. No records exist. Ok, now you're going to have to relinquish your duties as Benny God. We can't have a convict telling us what we can or can't say.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2020 9:50:01 GMT -8
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 8, 2020 10:35:12 GMT -8
Yes, innocent people do plead guilty when the price is too high to risk a conviction. Personal anecdote: I had a client who was facing almost 25 years as a maximum penalty in a residential burglary case. The evidence was weak, the case law was on my side, and i am fairly certain that we would have won at trial. I think I would have even won a motion to dismiss if it went to trial. But my client was offered a credit-for-time-served deal and discretion was the better part of valor when he took the deal and got released that day. A good friend plead guilty to a misdemeanor assault charge that he was not guilty of after his attorney put it to him this way: "Plead guilty and pay a total of $2000 in costs or plead innocent and I might be able to get you off but my fee will me $20,000 minimum even if we do win". The court system can really suck sometimes! Not to derail this thread this is why we have protests today, systemic issues with our justice system. in all parts of it.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 8, 2020 11:45:24 GMT -8
A good friend plead guilty to a misdemeanor assault charge that he was not guilty of after his attorney put it to him this way: "Plead guilty and pay a total of $2000 in costs or plead innocent and I might be able to get you off but my fee will me $20,000 minimum even if we do win". The court system can really suck sometimes! Not to derail this thread this is why we have protests today, systemic issues with our justice system. in all parts of it. Too late. Way too late.
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 8, 2020 12:14:35 GMT -8
Dumb question, is the new normal going to be shame the person, kick them out of activities, and/or have them fired from their jobs?
Where's the path to education and redemption?
In this case Rocco had access to a community of people who could help him understand how that statement impacted them while providing an opportunity to atone for the harm he caused....
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 8, 2020 12:46:00 GMT -8
Meanwhile, here's another former OSU football player's take on things: Sergeant Brandon Lee Boice was a linebacker, who walked onto the team in 1995 and redshirted. In 1996, he earned a scholarship and inherited Kane Rogers' #17. He made honorable mention on the Pac-10 All-Academic Team. In 1997, Greg Newhouse said that "Brandon is the type of player who brings his lunch pail to work with him." Perhaps, more importantly, Sergeant Boice was the Oregon State player assigned to Jonathan Smith, when Smith visited Oregon State to evaluate Mike Riley's preferred walk-on offer to Smith. Sergeant Boice played most of 1998 with a painful foot injury. He scored a touchdown against Stanford on a kickoff to put Oregon State up 20-10. The Beavers would need that touchdown as the Cardinal tied the game in the third quarter, before Ken Simonton scored on a four yard touchdown with 5:42 left in the game to put Oregon State ahead for good. It was the Beavers' first win at Stanford in 30 years, first road conference win in four years (UCLA), and first conference win in two years (also against Stanford). Sergeant Boice had blocked a punt in the 55-7 win over UCLA, the Bruins' worst loss since 1930. He played in 11 games (all but the Georgia Southern game), including the California (The Wicked Streak is DEAD! Game), Arizona (clinching a winning season and bowl game for the first time since 1964), and Civil War games. He also flew out to Hawai'i to play in Oregon State's first bowl game in 35 years. Since then, other than helping South Medford reach the quarterfinals in 2002 and Newhouse coach DL in 2003 (Smith was also a coach on that team), Sargeant Boice has served 19 years with the Oregon State Police, focusing on narcotics and supervising seven detectives. Since Jonathan Smith took over as head coach, Boice has been personally tasked with guarding Smith before and after the game.
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Post by pitbeavs on Jun 8, 2020 14:24:59 GMT -8
Dude, once again you're punching above your weight class. He pleaded to a lesser chart. He's on the books as guilty. He has a criminal record. Period. End discussion. You want to debate this, come back when you've passed the Bar Exam. Like I said .... you lose .... again (nice backpedal later on in the thread, btw).
Try to keep up.
What? No racist comment?
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 8, 2020 15:36:32 GMT -8
Meanwhile, here's another former OSU football player's take on things: Sergeant Brandon Lee Boice was a linebacker, who walked onto the team in 1995 and redshirted. In 1996, he earned a scholarship and inherited Kane Rogers' #17. He made honorable mention on the Pac-10 All-Academic Team. In 1997, Greg Newhouse said that "Brandon is the type of player who brings his lunch pail to work with him." Perhaps, more importantly, Sergeant Boice was the Oregon State player assigned to Jonathan Smith, when Smith visited Oregon State to evaluate Mike Riley's preferred walk-on offer to Smith. Sergeant Boice played most of 1998 with a painful foot injury. He scored a touchdown against Stanford on a kickoff to put Oregon State up 20-10. The Beavers would need that touchdown as the Cardinal tied the game in the third quarter, before Ken Simonton scored on a four yard touchdown with 5:42 left in the game to put Oregon State ahead for good. It was the Beavers' first win at Stanford in 30 years, first road conference win in four years (UCLA), and first conference win in two years (also against Stanford). Sergeant Boice had blocked a punt in the 55-7 win over UCLA, the Bruins' worst loss since 1930. He played in 11 games (all but the Georgia Southern game), including the California (The Wicked Streak is DEAD! Game), Arizona (clinching a winning season and bowl game for the first time since 1964), and Civil War games. He also flew out to Hawai'i to play in Oregon State's first bowl game in 35 years. Since then, other than helping South Medford reach the quarterfinals in 2002 and Newhouse coach DL in 2003 (Smith was also a coach on that team), Sargeant Boice has served 19 years with the Oregon State Police, focusing on narcotics and supervising seven detectives. Since Jonathan Smith took over as head coach, Boice has been personally tasked with guarding Smith before and after the game. Congratulations to Brandon Boice on his athletic accomplishments and his long career in law enforcement.
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