Give me your all time best Beav by position and favorite

In the list I put together, I debated replacing Hass with Johnson.  Johnson was a better receiver (at least by the end of 2000).  But Johnson never put up Hass' numbers.  That is a tough call.  Eye test v. numbers.  

I'll put in an odd one... Ryan Gunderson. He was an all-time best Beav qualifier.. played QB (albeit not a lot of play), graduated with a construction engineering degree, and as director of player development (or whatever positions he covered) for a number of years he contributed to one of the most successful periods in OSU's football history. The kids who stuck with the program, came back and did graduate assistant stints then later stuck with the program and worked on the coaching or support staff all deserve mention.

This team is pretty good. However John Didion is the only unanimous All American lineman we ever had on the offensive line. He has to be on any team.  Rockne Freitas was a decent college player that became a decent pro. Sandstrom was a good defensive tackle but no Jess Lewis. Certainly not a top linebacker

The Media Guide should really mention that John Didion is a unanimous All-American.

This is where not really seeing people becomes problematic.  

Jon Kolb won four rings with the Steelers, was an All-Pro, and is a member of Pittsburgh's All-Time team.  Jack Rudnay also won a ring, was All-Pro four times, a Pro Bowler a fifth year, and is a member of the Chiefs' Hall of Fame.  Didion bounced around four teams in an eight-year NFL career.  First, I do not know how or why Didion was a unanimous All-American in 1968.  I would hazard to guess that it was owed in large part to being on the 1967 Giant Killer team and the 1968 #2 team in America team.  There was a lot of preseason hype on that 1968 team, which ultimately did not pan out.  

Rocky Freitas had an 11-year NFL career, was two-time All-Pro and is a member of the Polynesian Hall of Fame.  Jim Breland was the consensus All-American center, but he was a bum.  Bill Carr was ok.  Ray Pryor and Bob Johnson were bums.  George Goeddeke was decent but not as good as Freitas.  Why wasn't Freitas an All-American?  No preseason hype.

The difference between Didion and Freitas is that Didion was an above average player on two great teams, whereas Freitas was a great player on a decent team.  

2006 Sammie Stroughter has to be the best punt returner in Oregon State history.

For kick returner, how about Billy Main?  If you need two, you can have Tim Alexander, as well.

This gets to be an eye test versus production argument.  DeLawrence Grant was a Second Team All-American.  Scott Crichton was a Freshman All-American and received All-American consideration the following two years.  Swancutt?  Not so much.  Grant ran a sub-4.6/40.  Crichton ran a 4.84/40 at the Combine.  Swancutt ran a 5.03/40 at the Combine.  Both Crichton and Grant were better defensive ends than Swancutt. 

Crichton was the first player in Oregon State history to lead the team in both sacks and TFLs in three consecutive seasons and owns the Pac-12 single season and career forced fumbles records.  I think that he's clearly on the list.

I think you could have an argument between Grant and Swancutt.  Swancutt clearly put up better numbers.  Grant was the better player.

I was going to say, if you compare BS' 01-03 stats to SC's 11-13 stats, SC wins in every category, except sacks:

      UT    AT    Tot    TFL-Yds    Sacks-Yds    FF    FR    PD    
BS   87    29    116    41-219      25.5-187     4      0      4
SC 100    65    165    51-224      22.5-130    10     4      9

I mean, highlights #6 and #9 for October 2013: