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Post by justinbeaver420 on Jun 26, 2020 21:13:59 GMT -8
Can we just change the "civil war" to the "sivil war?" or is that not enough? let's all quit being so sensitive. i'm color blind and hate everybody the same. go beavs
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Post by irimi on Jun 26, 2020 21:14:08 GMT -8
Like others, I was initially shocked to hear that the name will be changed, but I also couldn’t really see a connection to the Civil War except the North/South thing. But since both schools are only about 30 minutes apart from each other, it didn’t make a lot of sense.
The beauty of “the Civil War” is that it fit each sport and even the multiple meetings, not just a single football game. I hope they can select something that will be just as versatile.
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Post by irimi on Jun 26, 2020 21:34:12 GMT -8
I completely agree. I'm not the best Historian but to summarize... Lincoln wins the Presidential office on the pledge to expand free slaves to all states in the Union and the war starts after the Confederate Army fires on a Federal Garrison at Fort Sumter. There are obviously 2 sides to the war... but the winning side was fighting to abolish Slavery... why look at it only from the side of the Confederates who had succeeded from the union and were fighting to maintain slavery? Bizarre to me. I agree to outsiders the connection was unclear, but I believe the name stuck because do to how close the two schools are... these games divide homes, families, workplaces and to some friends. Much like the actual Civil War divided homes, families, workplaces and to some friends. I'm not trying to defend our rivalry being called the Civil War, it wasn't my idea to use that name... I'm not that old I just wish highly paid school administrators would give a more comprehensive nod to History. Maybe we sell the rights to name the rivalry and pay down some debt? My great-great-great-great grandfather was Warren Murphy McGuire, a first generation Canadian immigrant, who fought for Maine, during the Civil War. He died so that all men could be free. His boy, George Wesley McGuire, my great-great-great grandfather, was three when Warren died. He grew up being raised by another man, because of Warren's ultimate sacrifice. And that is what the Civil War was about a War for Freedom. It was not a War for Slavery. That is looking at it from the exact wrong direction. That is like a five-year-old's interpretation of the Civil War. To change the name of the Civil War to something else for the reasons stated by President Ray is to say that Warren Murphy McGuire died for something that should be forgotten. It is to remove Warren's sacrifice from the history books. Even if history is not something to be proud of, it is still history. It still happened. To ignore history, to remove it, to delete it, to try and sweep it under the rug is wrong, wrong in every way that something can be wrong. It is to sanitize the country, to make this country something that it is not, which is perfect. No one is perfect. The country is not perfect, never was. To paraphrase a great American Patriot, Commodore Stephen Decatur Jr.'s famous toast, may our country "always be in the right, and always successful, right or wrong." President Ray is no Commodore Decatur. President Ray is Benedict Arnold. You have stolen something that I have always been proud of President Ray and corrupted, tried to make it ugly, when it is not. This is intolerable. This cannot be allowed to stand. I like what you wrote in that first paragraph. Much appreciation to your great-great-great-great grandfather for fighting the good fight! I think President Ray’s comments could have been worded better for the exact reason that you have discussed. Obviously, he was going for the shock value. At any rate, changing the name of the games does no real harm, unless you consider “tradition” to be something that can be harmed. I don’t. We make our way the best we can, and if we can make others feel more accepted along the way, then why not?
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Post by orangeattack on Jun 26, 2020 21:51:31 GMT -8
The Blood Feud is the best thing I could come up with.
I'm ok with changing the name. Oregon requested it, and frankly to resist would be a terrible look in the current climate.
Sometimes sacrifices are made not because they make the most sense, but because they hold the most meaning.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 26, 2020 22:44:05 GMT -8
Cool. I will adopt the new name and cheer on my Beavers in this, uh, to-be-named event. I just wish Dr. Ray's leadership and attention to detail in this past year could have also extended to managing the cost overruns that have led to us repeatedly downsizing and removing features from the new Forestry building, or that he might have issued a statement or some consequences for the same Forestry department chopping down, or, if the violent imagery offends you, "managing" 400+ year old trees. But, hey, the latest Oregon Stater had an article placing him on a pedestal and made no mention of any blemishes on his spotless record, so I must have gotten it wrong. Go Beavers! Win the whatever-its-name event!! The Peavy Hall overruns - attributable in some part to being the campus guinea pig for a new construction method that bears much promise for the future - were unfortunate. And I admit I do not know what was eliminated from the original plans. However, my neighbor works in the Forestry Department. And in the short time he was in the building before being forced to work from home when the campus shut down for COVID-19, he said it was unbelievable, and a major, major improvement from the old Peavy Hall. Also, if you talk to local foresters - not the corporate guys, but the guys with a prominent local company with decades of ties to OSU - you will hear a completely different story about the action taken off Tampico Road. At least 1/4 of the stand, trees closest to the road and to housing, was dead and could have caused major damage if blown down in a storm. There is no doubt the TREE (not trees) that got all the publicity was very old, but perhaps not near 400 years old. Let's not forget that OSU is in the forestry research business, not just a manager of a natural amusement park for Corvallis-area residents to go hiking in at their leisure. It's expected that some of this timber in McDonald and Dunn forests will be harvested for revenue to support the COF. The area harvested will be/has been replanted and a new stand of trees will replace the old. As it has always been (BTW, do you live in a wood house?). The person who found this magic tree has a very checkered history with his neighbors, and with the timber companies who own land adjacent to the OSU-owned forest land. Ask around. Dr. Ray has not been a perfect president. However it's pretty clear to me he's the finest long-serving president OSU has had since President Strand (1942-61), who oversaw the post-WWII boom in enrollment and construction not matched until Dr. Ray's tenure. As always, other's mileage may vary. Thanks for an alternate perspective. I didn't make my point well - I was using the Peavy issue (Seattle Times article: "OSU Forest Science Center behind schedule and over budget") and the tree cutting issue (Oregonian article: "Oregon State halts old growth logging after loss of 400-year-old tree") as examples of high visibility issues where President Ray did not deem it important to speak up, clarify, talk about accountability where I would have liked to have had a leadership perspective since the example incidents did receive lots of visibility, and the views expressed did not paint a positive picture of what was going on. I applaud the proactive stance President Ray took on the series formerly known as the Civil War, and simply was expressing the wish that he would have been similarly active in taking a leadership role on other high visibility issues (of which I provided 2 examples) where he didn't seem to.... Your rebuttal might be exactly right on those two examples - as an Oregon taxpayer, OSU alum, OSU parent and local resident I would have like President Ray's perspective as well, however. Go Beavers!
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Post by jefframp on Jun 27, 2020 5:45:30 GMT -8
One of the problems with a new rivalry name is that in nature, Ducks and Beavers generally live and let live. The Beavers are even gracious enough to construct large bodies of water for ducks to do their thing in. Not sure what the Ducks contribute in return.I believe the nice term is fertilizer.
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Post by bennysdentist on Jun 27, 2020 5:52:33 GMT -8
At first, like many others, thought this change was stupid PC overreach. I was a little pissed off. But I am a middle-aged white dude who has lived his entire life cheering for the good guys in Oregon’s Civil War. It’s just a name. Of a game(s). Really, if not calling the rivalry the CW helps young people of color feel listened to and respected, I’m okay with that.
I don’t want to see a rush to pick out some artificial name. Just let it come naturally some time in the next few or more years.
Oh, and Glove, please don’t shut down this board!
GO BEAVERS!!!
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 27, 2020 6:01:44 GMT -8
I expected to see a certain amount of hand wringing and pearl clutching over this decision. TBH, I've always thought the term Civil War was a little strange for a college rivalry that occurs a couple of thousand miles away from any of the actual Civil War battles. I really don't care what we call it. But since you asked, how about:
- War on the Willamette
- Oregon Trail Bowl
- I-5 Skirmish
- Assault on 99
- The Battle for Bellfountain
You get the picture.
You can’t call it the I5 Skirmish unless you intend to move Corvallis
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Post by TheGlove on Jun 27, 2020 6:04:16 GMT -8
I expected to see a certain amount of hand wringing and pearl clutching over this decision. TBH, I've always thought the term Civil War was a little strange for a college rivalry that occurs a couple of thousand miles away from any of the actual Civil War battles. I really don't care what we call it. But since you asked, how about:
- War on the Willamette
- Oregon Trail Bowl
- I-5 Skirmish
- Assault on 99
- The Battle for Bellfountain
You get the picture.
You can’t call it the I5 Skirmish unless you intend to move Corvallis when did Corvallis move East?
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Post by MITbeaver on Jun 27, 2020 6:32:23 GMT -8
Beaver State Bowl
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Post by EOBeav on Jun 27, 2020 6:52:35 GMT -8
I expected to see a certain amount of hand wringing and pearl clutching over this decision. TBH, I've always thought the term Civil War was a little strange for a college rivalry that occurs a couple of thousand miles away from any of the actual Civil War battles. I really don't care what we call it. But since you asked, how about:
- War on the Willamette
- Oregon Trail Bowl
- I-5 Skirmish
- Assault on 99
- The Battle for Bellfountain
You get the picture.
You can’t call it the I5 Skirmish unless you intend to move Corvallis That makes no sense whatsoever.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 27, 2020 6:58:46 GMT -8
Better cancel/rename the "Masters Tournament."
No more "I Dream of Jeannie" reruns!
Don’t primarybate or you’ll go blind.
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Post by nabeav on Jun 27, 2020 7:00:51 GMT -8
Family Discord Forest Fracas Douglas Fir Derby Centuries of Hate Irrational Anger
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 27, 2020 7:33:10 GMT -8
You can’t call it the I5 Skirmish unless you intend to move Corvallis That makes no sense whatsoever. Sure it does. Corvallis is not located on I-5. Parker Stadium became Reser Stadium. Coleman Field was changed to Goss Stadium (only Mike Parker still calls it Coleman Field at Goss Stadium; everyone else just calls it Goss). Apperson Hall became Kearney Hall. Education Hall became Fuhrman Hall. Kerr Library became the Valley Library. Marysville became Corvallis. Things change. This too shall pass.
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Post by whocares on Jun 27, 2020 8:18:36 GMT -8
The Civilized War.
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