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Post by irimi on Jul 4, 2020 6:13:49 GMT -8
Actually, Glove didn't inject politics into the discussion with his first two posts...you did. I looked back at the original thread about Gundy and the Okla St football player who wanted to quit because of the t-shirt Gundy was wearing. Yeah, the football player turned the tshirt into a political statement but the thread itself only got political in the sense that there was a mild discussion over whether 1st Amendment rights to free speech were violated by only government actors or, in addition, private actors. What does that have to do with Oregon State football? This: A program that we are going to play this fall (or, at least, we hope to) was having issues with its players and head coach and now Glove has poster what is likely to be the last significant major media story about it: the coach had to take a cut. So now we know that there are no suspensions, no firings, no resignations. The last we are likely to see of anything over there that MIGHT get political is if an Okla St player leaves and tells the media that he thinks Gundy runs a racist program or something like that. So lighten up! Glove posted about an opposing team on our schedule that had/has internal conflicts that could have affected their team and thus the outcome our game with them. You are so sensitive to potential criticism of your political views that you took a mild post as an attack. But worse, you have opened the door for people going after your political views and you boldly announced them on your post. Frankly, you deserve what is likely coming... Actually, no, I am very comfortable in my own skin. I have nothing to (politically) to apologize for. I did not take the post as an attack, certainly not as an attack on me. The implication came across as a bit sarcastic and cavalier - Gundy can afford it.
And yes, as always, I appreciate the alternate point of view. I agree I let my frustration with the other OSU for punishing a coach that seemingly did doing nothing wrong, a coach totally within his rights, bleed over to Glove - fair point. Another consideration, I suspect the university may have found other evidence that led to the pay cut. We may never know.
It is a sad day, when any coach has to apologize, and then have his pay docked, because of an innocuous t-shirt. I think it is the overly sensitive snowflakes that complained about it in the first place that need to lighten up. I also was responding to the notion that just because he is a coach with a contract, that he can afford the "haircut" - meaning cut in pay. Rather cavalier attitude by someone who has not walked a mile in his shoes, so to speak. And yes, I may have come on a bit too strong on my response. My bad.
I think this mischaracterizes the strength and fortitude of the young black man who took a stance against the head coach’s choice of shirt. He had more to lose than to win. It takes character to call out your boss or your supervisor. As you say to Glove, I also say to you: walk a mile in the player’s shoes.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 4, 2020 6:50:06 GMT -8
Your employer can limit your ability to say and do whatever you want. I'm sure its written into every coaches contract. Basically you embarrass the employer, in this case a university, the employer can terminate you if it desires.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 4, 2020 7:00:25 GMT -8
It’s like no posters read the article. ALL the steps taken were suggested by Gundy himself.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 4, 2020 7:16:53 GMT -8
It’s like no posters read the article. ALL the steps taken were suggested by Gundy himself. Correct. I read further in the article, and apparently all of the concessions (loss of year on contract, 1 mil pay cut) were all offerings by Gundy. It is also why much of the fan base has the opinion of him they do. But, to be fair, it was a voluntary pay cut.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 4, 2020 7:18:20 GMT -8
Your employer can limit your ability to say and do whatever you want. I'm sure its written into every coaches contract. Basically you embarrass the employer, in this case a university, the employer can terminate you if it desires. Correct. And it should extend to the NFL players as well.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 4, 2020 7:38:30 GMT -8
I find it difficult to believe that an employee would voluntarily give up a year on a contract and another million per year just because he is a nice guy. Perhaps the university came up with the punishment and to save face he suggested it was his idea.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 4, 2020 7:40:22 GMT -8
I find it difficult to believe that an employee would voluntarily give up a year on a contract and another million per year just because he is a nice guy. Perhaps the university came up with the punishment and to save face he suggested it was his idea. RIF
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 4, 2020 8:06:14 GMT -8
I find it difficult to believe that an employee would voluntarily give up a year on a contract and another million per year just because he is a nice guy. Perhaps the university came up with the punishment and to save face he suggested it was his idea. Aah yessss it’s all a big sinister conspiracy. How fitting given the OAN connection. LOL.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 4, 2020 8:56:01 GMT -8
Your employer can limit your ability to say and do whatever you want. I'm sure its written into every coaches contract. Basically you embarrass the employer, in this case a university, the employer can terminate you if it desires. Correct. And it should extend to the NFL players as well. And it does.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 4, 2020 9:09:26 GMT -8
I'll bet the bar is about 20x higher for NFL players. Why? Do college coaches get drug tested? As always “the bar” depends on how well you play are and the color of your skin.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 4, 2020 11:01:48 GMT -8
Correct. And it should extend to the NFL players as well. And it does. Which is why Jerry Jones was alone in telling his players to stand for the anthem - then retracted it. In conclusion, the NFL owners and players are all OK with the kneeling - more power to them. And, it is up to fans to decide if they want to put butts in seats, or watch on TV. They made a calculated business decision - and so did a portion of the fan base.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 4, 2020 11:10:16 GMT -8
Actually, no, I am very comfortable in my own skin. I have nothing to (politically) to apologize for. I did not take the post as an attack, certainly not as an attack on me. The implication came across as a bit sarcastic and cavalier - Gundy can afford it.
And yes, as always, I appreciate the alternate point of view. I agree I let my frustration with the other OSU for punishing a coach that seemingly did doing nothing wrong, a coach totally within his rights, bleed over to Glove - fair point. Another consideration, I suspect the university may have found other evidence that led to the pay cut. We may never know.
It is a sad day, when any coach has to apologize, and then have his pay docked, because of an innocuous t-shirt. I think it is the overly sensitive snowflakes that complained about it in the first place that need to lighten up. I also was responding to the notion that just because he is a coach with a contract, that he can afford the "haircut" - meaning cut in pay. Rather cavalier attitude by someone who has not walked a mile in his shoes, so to speak. And yes, I may have come on a bit too strong on my response. My bad.
I think this mischaracterizes the strength and fortitude of the young black man who took a stance against the head coach’s choice of shirt. He had more to lose than to win. It takes character to call out your boss or your supervisor. As you say to Glove, I also say to you: walk a mile in the player’s shoes. And what stand would that be? I challenge anyone on this board to provide actual content from the OAN network that in any way diminishes the young man of color in question here. It isn't like he (Gundy) said anything derogatory about the player or the rest of the team. I think the mischaracterization is on the player's part about the network - not the other way around.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 4, 2020 11:11:26 GMT -8
Which is why Jerry Jones was alone in telling his players to stand for the anthem - then retracted it. In conclusion, the NFL owners and players are all OK with the kneeling - more power to them. And, it is up to fans to decide if they want to put butts in seats, or watch on TV. They made a calculated business decision - and so did a portion of the fan base.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 4, 2020 11:17:57 GMT -8
I think this mischaracterizes the strength and fortitude of the young black man who took a stance against the head coach’s choice of shirt. He had more to lose than to win. It takes character to call out your boss or your supervisor. As you say to Glove, I also say to you: walk a mile in the player’s shoes. And what stand would that be? I challenge anyone on this board to provide actual content from the OAN network that in any way diminishes the young man of color in question here. It isn't like he (Gundy) said anything derogatory about the player or the rest of the team. I think the mischaracterization is on the player's part about the network - not the other way around. You asked for it, you got it. From that notorious left wing rag, Forbes. www.forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2020/06/16/if-mike-gundy-loves-oan-then-chuba-hubbard-is-right-to-think-about-boycotting-oklahoma-state/#40023f30601f
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Post by irimi on Jul 4, 2020 13:30:40 GMT -8
I think this mischaracterizes the strength and fortitude of the young black man who took a stance against the head coach’s choice of shirt. He had more to lose than to win. It takes character to call out your boss or your supervisor. As you say to Glove, I also say to you: walk a mile in the player’s shoes. And what stand would that be? I challenge anyone on this board to provide actual content from the OAN network that in any way diminishes the young man of color in question here. It isn't like he (Gundy) said anything derogatory about the player or the rest of the team. I think the mischaracterization is on the player's part about the network - not the other way around. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Whether the young man was correct in his assessment of OAN and what it means to have a coach wearing that t-shirt is not of my concern. He believed it was so. And even though he is simply a player on a team of many and replaceable by anyone’s judgment, he stood up to the head coach, risking his career and probably friendships. That takes fortitude, not snowflake-ness. Gundy was an idiot. He should know that most universities and colleges don’t want their employees pushing a political agenda on the job. Further, he knew exactly what the OAN shirt represents since he purchased it. And finally, why he was wearing anything other than Ok. St. gear to anything related to work blows my mind. He’s a professional; he should have made professional decisions. In the end, the university made him pay. Sounds to me like the kid’s complaint had some merit. One man’s snowflake is another man’s million dollar check. Ouch.
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