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Post by ricke71 on Jul 4, 2020 16:00:55 GMT -8
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Post by ag87 on Jul 4, 2020 17:25:44 GMT -8
Gundy is playing with fire. If OkSU gets known as a place where the head coach discriminates against black athletes, his recruiting will be severely hurt. Before my time, but I think Dee Andros had a bit of that problem.
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Post by guitarman6600 on Jul 4, 2020 23:34:49 GMT -8
The world is in deep trouble when someone with enough intelligence to function on his / her own says a right wing conspiracy network is equal to the network that says we need to listen to the scientific evidence. Are you honestly coming to stand up for CNN?
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 5, 2020 6:59:24 GMT -8
The world is in deep trouble when someone with enough intelligence to function on his / her own says a right wing conspiracy network is equal to the network that says we need to listen to the scientific evidence. Are you honestly coming to stand up for CNN? Thanks for proving Ag87's point.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 5, 2020 12:21:12 GMT -8
I feel like I need to a kneel in this thread.
Beavs 44 Team with racist coach doing whatever it takes to save his ignorant ass 38
Hey, can we do Kirk Ferrentz next? Always thought he was a good dude. Seems he and his son got a good bit of rural Iowa in them.
How these clowns successfully recruit black kids blows me away.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 5, 2020 14:00:34 GMT -8
And what stand would that be? I challenge anyone on this board to provide actual content from the OAN network that in any way diminishes the young man of color in question here. It isn't like he (Gundy) said anything derogatory about the player or the rest of the team. I think the mischaracterization is on the player's part about the network - not the other way around. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Whether the young man was correct in his assessment of OAN and what it means to have a coach wearing that t-shirt is not of my concern. He believed it was so. And even though he is simply a player on a team of many and replaceable by anyone’s judgment, he stood up to the head coach, risking his career and probably friendships. That takes fortitude, not snowflake-ness. Gundy was an idiot. He should know that most universities and colleges don’t want their employees pushing a political agenda on the job. Further, he knew exactly what the OAN shirt represents since he purchased it. And finally, why he was wearing anything other than Ok. St. gear to anything related to work blows my mind. He’s a professional; he should have made professional decisions. In the end, the university made him pay. Sounds to me like the kid’s complaint had some merit. One man’s snowflake is another man’s million dollar check. Ouch. Um, I admitted earlier that I did not know "the rest of the story" regarding Gundy voluntarily taking a pay and contract cut, vs. the university punishing him. Will you also admit that, according to the story, Gundy had gone out fishing, and was on his personal time when the pic of him wearing the T-shirt was taken? So, let me get this straight - a college coach is not allowed any personal time, to wear anything else than OSU gear? Really? So NFL players can kneel during the anthem, while in uniform and on the clock so to speak, but a coach can't even wear a T-shirt on his off time that you do not like?
Second, please do tell - when exactly, does wearing a T-shirt with a TV network logo on it, become a political statement? If so, why all the deflection when a poster on here, or anywhere else, references CNN as being nothing more than a mouthpiece for the DNC? Once again, the hypocrisy is stunning.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 5, 2020 14:02:15 GMT -8
Gundy is playing with fire. If OkSU gets known as a place where the head coach discriminates against black athletes, his recruiting will be severely hurt. Before my time, but I think Dee Andros had a bit of that problem. So, you really think that there is a connection between his choice of attire, and the above statement? Really? That is sad, really sad
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 5, 2020 14:11:01 GMT -8
Actually, no, I am very comfortable in my own skin. I have nothing to (politically) to apologize for. I did not take the post as an attack, certainly not as an attack on me. The implication came across as a bit sarcastic and cavalier - Gundy can afford it.
And yes, as always, I appreciate the alternate point of view. I agree I let my frustration with the other OSU for punishing a coach that seemingly did doing nothing wrong, a coach totally within his rights, bleed over to Glove - fair point. Another consideration, I suspect the university may have found other evidence that led to the pay cut. We may never know.
It is a sad day, when any coach has to apologize, and then have his pay docked, because of an innocuous t-shirt. I think it is the overly sensitive snowflakes that complained about it in the first place that need to lighten up. I also was responding to the notion that just because he is a coach with a contract, that he can afford the "haircut" - meaning cut in pay. Rather cavalier attitude by someone who has not walked a mile in his shoes, so to speak. And yes, I may have come on a bit too strong on my response. My bad.
I think this mischaracterizes the strength and fortitude of the young black man who took a stance against the head coach’s choice of shirt. He had more to lose than to win. It takes character to call out your boss or your supervisor. As you say to Glove, I also say to you: walk a mile in the player’s shoes. In today's climate, please do tell - what exactly did he "have to lose?" You really think if Gundy were to retaliate in any way, shape, or form against Chubba Hubbard, it wouldn't be front page news on some of the networks? Do you really think he would keep it to himself, or his teammates would? In fact, I would argue he just insulated himself from being cut or his playing time reduced, even if it is justified by his play on the field. The climate we have created, unfortunately.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 5, 2020 15:07:41 GMT -8
Gundy is playing with fire. If OkSU gets known as a place where the head coach discriminates against black athletes, his recruiting will be severely hurt. Before my time, but I think Dee Andros had a bit of that problem. So, you really think that there is a connection between his choice of attire, and the above statement? Really? That is sad, really sad I'm using logic. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in August 2017? If so, keep that in mind. Do you think it's fair to categorize that as racist? Remember participants were chanting Jews will not replace us and crap like that. People that were there self-identified as neo-fascist, white nationalists, klansmen, and so on. Now OAN recently said that Black Lives Matter protesters planted pipe bombs at the Korean War Memorial in DC. OAN also said that the 75-year-old man that had his head bashed in Buffalo by Buffalo PD was trying to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo policemen. OAN has said that Dr. Fauci funded the creation of the corona virus (at a lab in North Carolina). I feel very strongly that those three things are nonsense. Now this is where you need to make some guesses and extrapolate. If you asked 1000 of the marchers from Charlottesville who do they watch, believe, support more, CNN or OAN. I would be willing to bet that they prefer OAN. I also think the vast majority of very good high school football players agree with my statement. If those players perceive (it doesnt have to be the reality, only perception) that the OkSU football coach identifies with OAN, those that disagree with what OAN says will be less likely to attend OkSU. So I agree with you that it is sad that there may be a connection between Gundy's shirt and recruiting. I believe the general theme of this post is why Gundy got hit financially by his employer.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 5, 2020 15:56:39 GMT -8
So, you really think that there is a connection between his choice of attire, and the above statement? Really? That is sad, really sad I'm using logic. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in August 2017? If so, keep that in mind. Do you think it's fair to categorize that as racist? Remember participants were chanting Jews will not replace us and crap like that. People that were there self-identified as neo-fascist, white nationalists, klansmen, and so on. Now OAN recently said that Black Lives Matter protesters planted pipe bombs at the Korean War Memorial in DC. OAN also said that the 75-year-old man that had his head bashed in Buffalo by Buffalo PD was trying to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo policemen. OAN has said that Dr. Fauci funded the creation of the corona virus (at a lab in North Carolina). I feel very strongly that those three things are nonsense. Now this is where you need to make some guesses and extrapolate. If you asked 1000 of the marchers from Charlottesville who do they watch, believe, support more, CNN or OAN. I would be willing to bet that they prefer OAN. I also think the vast majority of very good high school football players agree with my statement. If those players perceive (it doesnt have to be the reality, only perception) that the OkSU football coach identifies with OAN, those that disagree with what OAN says will be less likely to attend OkSU. So I agree with you that it is sad that there may be a connection between Gundy's shirt and recruiting. I believe the general theme of this post is why Gundy got hit financially by his employer. I have never seen OAN and don’t think I even get it. But if what you say is true, doesn’t that just make them goofy, or hair-brained, not racist? Would the reaction have been the same if Gundy had worn a “National Enquirer” shirt? As far as the marchers, from what I saw and you describe I doubt if most of them could afford cable so I doubt they watch OAN. I feel bad for the old man, but he should have known better than to move forward against an advancing police line. I think your description of that incident is embellished too.
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Post by rafer on Jul 5, 2020 17:00:48 GMT -8
I'm using logic. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in August 2017? If so, keep that in mind. Do you think it's fair to categorize that as racist? Remember participants were chanting Jews will not replace us and crap like that. People that were there self-identified as neo-fascist, white nationalists, klansmen, and so on. Now OAN recently said that Black Lives Matter protesters planted pipe bombs at the Korean War Memorial in DC. OAN also said that the 75-year-old man that had his head bashed in Buffalo by Buffalo PD was trying to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo policemen. OAN has said that Dr. Fauci funded the creation of the corona virus (at a lab in North Carolina). I feel very strongly that those three things are nonsense. Now this is where you need to make some guesses and extrapolate. If you asked 1000 of the marchers from Charlottesville who do they watch, believe, support more, CNN or OAN. I would be willing to bet that they prefer OAN. I also think the vast majority of very good high school football players agree with my statement. If those players perceive (it doesnt have to be the reality, only perception) that the OkSU football coach identifies with OAN, those that disagree with what OAN says will be less likely to attend OkSU. So I agree with you that it is sad that there may be a connection between Gundy's shirt and recruiting. I believe the general theme of this post is why Gundy got hit financially by his employer. I have never seen OAN and don’t think I even get it. But if what you say is true, doesn’t that just make them goofy, or hair-brained, not racist? Would the reaction have been the same if Gundy had worn a “National Enquirer” shirt? As far as the marchers, from what I saw and you describe I doubt if most of them could afford cable so I doubt they watch OAN. I feel bad for the old man, but he should have known better than to move forward against an advancing police line. I think your description of that incident is embellished too. I'm mostly staying out of this, BUT, the 75 year old man wasn't bashed by any police, he fell and bashed himself, sad, but true. He also according to reports, has a LONG history of creating conflict with the cops. I hope he's okay, but when someone tells you to stay out of the way, just do it, instead of trying for 15 minutes of fame...
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 5, 2020 18:17:34 GMT -8
So, you really think that there is a connection between his choice of attire, and the above statement? Really? That is sad, really sad I'm using logic. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in August 2017? If so, keep that in mind. Do you think it's fair to categorize that as racist? Remember participants were chanting Jews will not replace us and crap like that. People that were there self-identified as neo-fascist, white nationalists, klansmen, and so on. Now OAN recently said that Black Lives Matter protesters planted pipe bombs at the Korean War Memorial in DC. OAN also said that the 75-year-old man that had his head bashed in Buffalo by Buffalo PD was trying to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo policemen. OAN has said that Dr. Fauci funded the creation of the corona virus (at a lab in North Carolina). I feel very strongly that those three things are nonsense. Now this is where you need to make some guesses and extrapolate. If you asked 1000 of the marchers from Charlottesville who do they watch, believe, support more, CNN or OAN. I would be willing to bet that they prefer OAN. I also think the vast majority of very good high school football players agree with my statement. If those players perceive (it doesnt have to be the reality, only perception) that the OkSU football coach identifies with OAN, those that disagree with what OAN says will be less likely to attend OkSU. So I agree with you that it is sad that there may be a connection between Gundy's shirt and recruiting. I believe the general theme of this post is why Gundy got hit financially by his employer. If you are asking me "were there racists in the crowd at the rally", the answer is yes. Does OAN and the president have any control over that? No. If you are talking about the president's comments about Charlottesville - no, I do not. I am not sure what the OAN reported at the time - I was not watching. I have listened to the president's whole speech - have you? Or have you just listened to the cropped, truncated version of it. The Charlottesville story has been debunked time and time again as fabrication and spin, by showing that the comments by the president were taken out of context. But CNN? They will never admit they were spinning the speech to make points with their viewers (the few that are left), just like Adam Schiff pulling out of his a@@ the reading of the supposed transcript of the phone call between Trump and the Ukranian President. Seriously, there is always like 10 people listening in on those calls. Adam wasn't counting on that, or the release of the transcripts. Thank God for body cams, dash cams and transcriptionists. It makes it that much harder to push a narrative, when the hard cold truth about something that was said is revealed. The rest of what you reference? I either do not have enough information, or it has already been commented on. But, here is an interesting link for you:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 18:24:13 GMT -8
After an internal investigation they lopped $1m/year and 1 year, off his contract. Very expensive tshirt, but I’m sure he’ll survive. Public flogging by the social justice warriors not in the too distant future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 18:38:49 GMT -8
I’m really surprised they haven’t come after T Boone yet. They must know his political leanings but I guess the billion dollars he lavished those poor fball players with must come with come clawback provisions or certainly some contract terms that haven’t expired yet.
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Post by greshambeaver on Jul 5, 2020 18:44:26 GMT -8
I'm using logic. Remember the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in August 2017? If so, keep that in mind. Do you think it's fair to categorize that as racist? Remember participants were chanting Jews will not replace us and crap like that. People that were there self-identified as neo-fascist, white nationalists, klansmen, and so on. Now OAN recently said that Black Lives Matter protesters planted pipe bombs at the Korean War Memorial in DC. OAN also said that the 75-year-old man that had his head bashed in Buffalo by Buffalo PD was trying to capture the radio communications signature of Buffalo policemen. OAN has said that Dr. Fauci funded the creation of the corona virus (at a lab in North Carolina). I feel very strongly that those three things are nonsense. Now this is where you need to make some guesses and extrapolate. If you asked 1000 of the marchers from Charlottesville who do they watch, believe, support more, CNN or OAN. I would be willing to bet that they prefer OAN. I also think the vast majority of very good high school football players agree with my statement. If those players perceive (it doesnt have to be the reality, only perception) that the OkSU football coach identifies with OAN, those that disagree with what OAN says will be less likely to attend OkSU. So I agree with you that it is sad that there may be a connection between Gundy's shirt and recruiting. I believe the general theme of this post is why Gundy got hit financially by his employer. If you are asking me "were there racists in the crowd at the rally", the answer is yes. Does OAN and the president have any control over that? No. If you are talking about the president's comments about Charlottesville - no, I do not. I am not sure what the OAN reported at the time - I was not watching. I have listened to the president's whole speech - have you? Or have you just listened to the cropped, truncated version of it. The Charlottesville story has been debunked time and time again as fabrication and spin, by showing that the comments by the president were taken out of context. But CNN? They will never admit they were spinning the speech to make points with their viewers (the few that are left), just like Adam Schiff pulling out of his a@@ the reading of the supposed transcript of the phone call between Trump and the Ukranian President. Seriously, there is always like 10 people listening in on those calls. Adam wasn't counting on that, or the release of the transcripts. Thank God for body cams, dash cams and transcriptionists. It makes it that much harder to push a narrative, when the hard cold truth about something that was said is revealed. The rest of what you reference? I either do not have enough information, or it has already been commented on. But, here is an interesting link for you:
Native Beav??? not sure how these board work, but if I am getting this correctly, you are saying that Trump has no connection to white nationalism, that he is a bystander? Gawd, how stupid can you be? I thought we were not supposed to mention politics? I am breaking the rules right now, but I am protesting the bulls%#t. and it is bulls%#t. Trump is a complete freaking asshat. Nothing but a piece of horse dung, get used to it, because until he's gone that is what we are eating!!!
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