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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 14, 2020 19:19:32 GMT -8
A lot of good, diverse discussion. Both of my sons are educators. One, taught for 13 years and has now been a principal for several years, the other in his fifth year teaching...after a hiatus. They obviously have their own takes on, "should schools open," and when/how/where? They're both smart guys. One problem I see (there are many) in the question is; are our schools STRUCTURALLY sound in a hygienic sense to assure safe re-opening. Even new, state of the art school buildings in the more affluent neighborhoods throughout the country LACK proper HVAC systems. Hell....my wife was an educator for over twenty years here in Lebanon, and I can't TELL you how many times the "heating system in the school was in disrepair," or the air was so stifling in the early fall or late spring that kids were becoming sick. Teachers, too. Infrastructure spending isn't SEXY, but it surely is important, no? Go ahead and argue about "overpaid teachers, administrators, etc. Many LOVE to blame THEM. I'm certain that it is horse s__t, but...... IF we're going to get through this crisis, morally, ethically and successfully, we need to figure it out. The cosmically idiotic governor of Florida made the statement about, "if Home Depot can open....our schools can too..." Lord God what a buffoon. Folks spend half an hour in HD. Kids and teachers spend five to seven HOURS a day in school houses. Is he that obtuse? Are there folks here who AGREE with him? Kids aren't PAWNS, and neither should educators be thought of in that regard. Nice silly comparison/argument. Like only one group of people come in to HD each day. Oops! There are thousands of different folks doing that! But students only one time per day. Glitch!! What in hell are you arguing? Kids and teachers are there ALL DAY. Not at HD. You don’t understand that?
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 14, 2020 19:20:04 GMT -8
Nice silly comparison/argument. Like only one group of people come in to HD each day. Oops! There are thousands of different folks doing that! But students only one time per day. Glitch!! What in hell are you arguing? Kids and teachers are there ALL DAY. Not at HD. You don’t understand that? Whiff!!!! Have a friend explain it to you.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 14, 2020 19:24:27 GMT -8
What in hell are you arguing? Kids and teachers are there ALL DAY. Not at HD. You don’t understand that? Whiff!!!! Have a friend explain it to you. Never mind, smart ass.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 14, 2020 19:31:15 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 14, 2020 19:37:53 GMT -8
Interesting. Wait, there’s nothing there. Again.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 14, 2020 19:42:59 GMT -8
Talk to any elementary teacher. The kids have no concept of social distance, will not wear their masks all day, and are an absolute petri dish for whatever is going around. They might not catch it, but they will take it home. mrs sage brought all kinds of sh!t home to me, OPENING SCHOOLS WILL BE A DISASTER. On my town's FB page, all the mothers are complaining because school may be open reduced days. "What am I going to do with Johnny-snotnose during the day?!"
It's a legitimate question for working parents, though I think enough are just mothers who are sick of having them around.
But school mustn't be the answer. School is one thing; daycare is another.
On the Corvallis People Facebook page there’s a thread about schools and there are som moms going apoplectic that no kid can wear a mask while others are saying their 6 and 7 year olds already are. I think kids take after their parents and aren’t necessarily as wild as some think they are if given guidance. As far as daycare goes, this article is about 3 weeks old so things may have changed, but it seems it might be workable.... www.npr.org/2020/06/24/882316641/what-parents-can-learn-from-child-care-centers-that-stayed-open-during-lockdowns
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Post by osuft3 on Jul 14, 2020 20:09:51 GMT -8
Why would day care facilities be safer than schools? Johnny Snotnose and Suzy Sneezer would still spread their germs there. However, school is already paid for and day care is not. If day care becomes the answer, some of the taxes allotted for schools should be "re-imagined" to day care. Didn't say they're safer, just a lot harder to come by these days. School is mandatory, people don't have too open daycare centers, and many are gone for good. Understand that. Actually, I was responding to Irimi, but I didn't direct it well. My bad. I agree that the limited availability of day cares is an issue. If they become the only option for working parents, then funding becomes a big problem, thus my other point. I also believe that politics are at play in this scenario, but I will leave that alone.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 14, 2020 20:16:47 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 14, 2020 20:32:00 GMT -8
At least this is a viable link. It’s amusing to me that it reinforces the first point you railed against. By the way, I’m an independent thinker. I sort through the facts and bs and make my own decisions, but nice try.
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Post by irimi on Jul 14, 2020 20:37:02 GMT -8
On my town's FB page, all the mothers are complaining because school may be open reduced days. "What am I going to do with Johnny-snotnose during the day?!"
It's a legitimate question for working parents, though I think enough are just mothers who are sick of having them around.
But school mustn't be the answer. School is one thing; daycare is another.
Well, daycare is important, because for many working parents, daycare is needed after school - and there are so few daycare facilities left. Many parents are having to chose between working and daycare, if they can find it. I agree completely. But too many people treat school like free daycare. They’ll send their kids regardless of their symptoms or condition. One has to wonder if that’s what we need right now. There are no good options. But relying upon schools to open up because you have nothing else to do with your child is nuts.
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Post by irimi on Jul 14, 2020 20:44:22 GMT -8
Why would day care facilities be safer than schools? Johnny Snotnose and Suzy Sneezer would still spread their germs there. However, school is already paid for and day care is not. If day care becomes the answer, some of the taxes allotted for schools should be "re-imagined" to day care. I don’t mean to imply that one is safer than the other. Instead, school shouldn’t be thought of as a place to send kids for the day so that you can go to work. In effect, that’s what it has become, but that sort of devalues teachers. Don’t forget that, open or not, teachers will still be teaching. Online teaching sucks in many different ways, and teachers have to reinvent themselves to do it well. Some dynamic classroom teachers are going to struggle in Zoom. So if you take money from the schools, lunch budgets, athletic programs, and things like that should give up their funds first. Nobody is going to be happy with the outcome, and it won’t be easy. Sure would have been nice if folks had played along and we had kicked this virus back in Spring like other countries.
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Post by irimi on Jul 14, 2020 20:51:31 GMT -8
Talk to any elementary teacher. The kids have no concept of social distance, will not wear their masks all day, and are an absolute petri dish for whatever is going around. They might not catch it, but they will take it home. mrs sage brought all kinds of sh!t home to me, OPENING SCHOOLS WILL BE A DISASTER. You’ve come full circle from the guy that was going to walk up and shake my hand. Somewhere in the middle Is the right place maybe? My kids will have much more serious medical issues (mental) if they don’t get to go back full time, participate in sports, and interact with peers than they would otherwise. They don’t get it, they don’t transmit it as easy, to me it’s a no brainer. People always want us to do things like European countries, but guess not. Fire away, I don’t give a damn and my life on this board is better since I blocked some posters! You probably blocked me, so you might not see this. Oh well. ”They don’t get it” Really? The fact that kids are not tested as frequently as adults may not support this. On the other hand, it may. The fact is that we don’t really know. However, we do know that for kids it can cause Kawasaki’s disease. So they do get it. ”They don’t transmit it as easy [sic]” Actually, given that we don’t really test kids as well, again, we can’t substantiate this claim either. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could do massive testing of kids to find out some of the answers to these questions? I mean, then we’d go into September with a little better idea of what’s going on. As for blocking people, me too. And you’re right: it is better. Of course, some of them got the boot anyway.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 14, 2020 21:15:33 GMT -8
Thanks for the follow up Reno Beav. My one observation is that California, did shut down early and aggressively and they seem to be right in the mix with Florida and Texas with this spike. I completely understand your frustration with your observations and concern for your family and all involved.... I'm still trying to sift through it all to understand our best route out of this mess. I think some school districts are still in the decision making process, I know ours/my daughters sent out a survey to parents today. I also heard that LA and San Diego school districts anounced they were starting the year with on line distance learning. I believe all the decision makers still have alot of work to do. I'm seeing a trend related to close exposure over a longer period of time, and I think that contributes to a higher viral load as well. But I'm no doctor and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.... just a guy hoping we find a path through this quickly. California did the right thing, its citizens simply didnt follow guidelines for reopening. Beaches packed. Bars packed. Restaurants packed. Im in the same boat as you, I dont pretend to know the answer. I want my kids back in school. I want my son to play football. I want to watch the Beavs make a bowl game this year. But its obvious to see this is going to be such a clusterf%#*. From elementary school to universities.
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Post by osuft3 on Jul 14, 2020 22:07:08 GMT -8
Why would day care facilities be safer than schools? Johnny Snotnose and Suzy Sneezer would still spread their germs there. However, school is already paid for and day care is not. If day care becomes the answer, some of the taxes allotted for schools should be "re-imagined" to day care. I don’t mean to imply that one is safer than the other. Instead, school shouldn’t be thought of as a place to send kids for the day so that you can go to work. In effect, that’s what it has become, but that sort of devalues teachers. Don’t forget that, open or not, teachers will still be teaching. Online teaching sucks in many different ways, and teachers have to reinvent themselves to do it well. Some dynamic classroom teachers are going to struggle in Zoom. So if you take money from the schools, lunch budgets, athletic programs, and things like that should give up their funds first. Nobody is going to be happy with the outcome, and it won’t be easy. Sure would have been nice if folks had played along and we had kicked this virus back in Spring like other countries. Gotcha. There's no easy answer to this one.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jul 15, 2020 7:17:26 GMT -8
I guess the question is, are schools essential? If the answer is yes, then figure out a way to open them safely. If the answer is no.............woe be our future........
Go Beavs!!
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