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Post by mbabeav on Jul 19, 2020 11:05:20 GMT -8
Don't quit your day job counselor. I'm going to start using that term "force manure" on a regular basis. PSU calls it "Force Manure" - and they are just doing what is to be expected. What they don't expect is a miracle, imo.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 19, 2020 11:38:52 GMT -8
The Pac-12 can mandate certain health protocols every member must follow to allow intercollegiate athletics. So it can be reasonably sure, when playing a Pac-12 opponent, these health protocols have been followed.
It cannot be completely sure PSU or schools from other conferences are practicing the same high-level health protocols practiced by members of the Pac-12. So, we won't play any OOC games.
This happens in business all the time. For example, the FAA can recommend to US passengers that it avoid certain airlines whose safety standards are inadequate. That does not mean the FAA thinks it's unsafe to fly and bans all travelers.
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Post by beaverstever on Jul 19, 2020 19:57:11 GMT -8
Thank you. I was using the D2 term inappropriately, based off another user's post.
I should amend my post to say that playing the PSUs, Eastern Washingtons, and CSU Sacramentos of the world are great opportunities to tune up our team. A test of skill and rarely a gimme. But at least we aren't being fed to the likes of tOSU or Michigan on opening day.
I agree. I have no problem playing one home game against FCS opponents. Unless it's Montana. They delivered two FCS losses at home in the 90s there were a barrel of salt in the wound.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 20, 2020 6:46:21 GMT -8
I agree. I have no problem playing one home game against FCS opponents. Unless it's Montana. They delivered two FCS losses at home in the 90s there were a barrel of salt in the wound. One of those Montana games was my earliest memory of going to a Beaver game. Had to be early '90s, like '91, '92 or so. Not sure what is wrong with me, but I kept coming back!
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Post by sagebrush on Jul 20, 2020 7:25:57 GMT -8
Lawyers would probably have a field day over the concept that a force majeure event very specifically rendered the PSU-OSU game impossible to play, yet OSU can apparently manage to play nine other games this season. Acts of God don't distinguish between non-conference vs. conference sporting events. "Most" contracts have specific pandemic language in them, how could people possibly know that? There are as many versions of contracts out there as there are contracts period. Nick Daschel at the Oregonian had an article last week and none of the three contracts for OSU's canceled non-conference games mentioned "pandemic" specifically. A pandemic may or not fit into some other area of the contract like a force majeure clause depending on how it's written, but it's certainly not cut and dry. Saying so definitively otherwise is just silly. I don't think any of us know for sure. But like I said at the start, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if OSU ponies up some money to PSU to settle it. Your first paragraph is the wining argument for Portland State. As a union goon, an argument is that if you can do this for every craft group but you can't do it for us? Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jul 20, 2020 9:00:07 GMT -8
Lawyers would probably have a field day over the concept that a force majeure event very specifically rendered the PSU-OSU game impossible to play, yet OSU can apparently manage to play nine other games this season. Acts of God don't distinguish between non-conference vs. conference sporting events. "Most" contracts have specific pandemic language in them, how could people possibly know that? There are as many versions of contracts out there as there are contracts period. Nick Daschel at the Oregonian had an article last week and none of the three contracts for OSU's canceled non-conference games mentioned "pandemic" specifically. A pandemic may or not fit into some other area of the contract like a force majeure clause depending on how it's written, but it's certainly not cut and dry. Saying so definitively otherwise is just silly.I don't think any of us know for sure. But like I said at the start, it wouldn't particularly surprise me if OSU ponies up some money to PSU to settle it. I'm just a single datapoint but I've been writing/reviewing/amending/arguing contracts related to various supply chain activities for about 25 years now... software licensing, capital purchases, supply agreements, co-development agreements, etc. I'd say that most FM clauses that I come across are completely generic and don't recall ever seeing any pandemic language at all (have also worked with OSU College of Engineering on development agreements in the past). Covering disruption due to physical natural disaster is the norm - flood/fire/hurricane/tsunami and I've come across a good number that mention war/military conflict. Of course, moving forward I expect everyone to have a pandemic subsection under their FM language - as if contracts need to get any LONGER.
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Post by sagebrush on Jul 20, 2020 9:37:08 GMT -8
First of all, I am A BEAVER, all things Beaver. BUT, if I an Portland State, I have a contract. You can play the entire Pac-12, but you can't play me, 60 miles away, under the same state guidelines? BULLs%#t. You chose to cancel me, pay up mothers. Argue that if you can.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 20, 2020 9:53:46 GMT -8
First of all, I am A BEAVER, all things Beaver. BUT, if I an Portland State, I have a contract. You can play the entire Pac-12, but you can't play me, 60 miles away, under the same state guidelines? BULLs%#t. You chose to cancel me, pay up mothers. Argue that if you can. How about the little kid on the block, psu, forget about pac12 games this year or face the real possibility of no big paydays in the future.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 20, 2020 10:08:34 GMT -8
So the argument here is that Portland State, which does not have the massive TV contract the OSU has, should just sacrifice their biggest paydays without arguing for compensation per the contract terms? I don't know what PSU's athletics budget is, but I have to imagine the $1.8M or whatever they were guaranteed from Arizona and OSU was a sizeable portion of their annual revenue for athletics.
Portland State is probably who we SHOULD be playing. I don't think there's a safer team (other than Oregon) for us to play.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 20, 2020 10:17:54 GMT -8
Portland state can be paid every dime they are due but psu should also realize there may be a "penalty" for future games if they enforce the payday today. Nobody said the give and take of contracts is pretty.
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Post by irimi on Jul 20, 2020 10:54:58 GMT -8
First of all, I am A BEAVER, all things Beaver. BUT, if I an Portland State, I have a contract. You can play the entire Pac-12, but you can't play me, 60 miles away, under the same state guidelines? BULLs%#t. You chose to cancel me, pay up mothers. Argue that if you can. Here's the counter-argument. You're asking for money based on us playing other Pac-12 teams, but we haven't played a single game yet.
If the whole kit and kaboodle gets cancelled, PSU won't have a leg to stand on. And then they'll look like money hungry losers, if they don't already.
Minimally, they should have waited to find out what happens with the season. Maybe none of these chicks will hatch.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 20, 2020 11:18:20 GMT -8
First of all, I am A BEAVER, all things Beaver. BUT, if I an Portland State, I have a contract. You can play the entire Pac-12, but you can't play me, 60 miles away, under the same state guidelines? BULLs%#t. You chose to cancel me, pay up mothers. Argue that if you can. I am not sure how the individual contracts for out of league games are impacted by the conference making the decision that no out of league games will be played. That is where I am uncertain as to an individual school's responsibility - Does Portland State sue the Pac-12 (first), and how long will they have to wait for their suit to come to trial given that the busiest part of our economy for years to come may be the court system, and will the probability of some form of liability coverage passed by Congress fit this area into it, and what can you get when you try to squeeze water from a turnip?
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 20, 2020 11:47:35 GMT -8
First of all, I am A BEAVER, all things Beaver. BUT, if I an Portland State, I have a contract. You can play the entire Pac-12, but you can't play me, 60 miles away, under the same state guidelines? BULLs%#t. You chose to cancel me, pay up mothers. Argue that if you can. I am not sure how the individual contracts for out of league games are impacted by the conference making the decision that no out of league games will be played. That is where I am uncertain as to an individual school's responsibility - Does Portland State sue the Pac-12 (first), and how long will they have to wait for their suit to come to trial given that the busiest part of our economy for years to come may be the court system, and will the probability of some form of liability coverage passed by Congress fit this area into it, and what can you get when you try to squeeze water from a turnip? I was wondering when someone would get around to this. Oregon St didn't cancel the game, the Pac 12 did. Maybe Larry can scrounge around in his couch cushions for compensation for Portland St.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 20, 2020 14:19:22 GMT -8
The bottom line psu shouldn't bite the hand that feeds it.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Jul 22, 2020 7:44:57 GMT -8
f%#* off PSU
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