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Post by sagebrush on Jul 27, 2020 6:42:03 GMT -8
Baseball is a a relatively non-contact sport, played by alleged mature professionals. How is in the hell does anyone expect college football, played by relatively kids, to work. There is no social distancing and I guarantee you from experience, that body fluids are exchanged. This would be total FUBAR.
Yes, since the start of this thing I have evolved. I have watched and learned. I will do what I have to do to protect you from me and vice versa but I refuse to be afraid. BTW, this morning I have an absolute Jones to go to some mom and pop for breakfast and have country fried steak, eggs, potatoes and double the gravy. Then, don't eat for two days.
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Post by irimi on Jul 27, 2020 7:50:43 GMT -8
Baseball is a a relatively non-contact sport, played by alleged mature professionals. How is in the hell does anyone expect college football, played by relatively kids, to work. There is no social distancing and I guarantee you from experience, that body fluids are exchanged. This would be total FUBAR. Yes, since the start of this thing I have evolved. I have watched and learned. I will do what I have to do to protect you from me and vice versa but I refuse to be afraid. BTW, this morning I have an absolute Jones to go to some mom and pop for breakfast and have country fried steak, eggs, potatoes and double the gravy. Then, don't eat for two days. It’s not going to happen. We can’t have a football season with these conditions. Everybody understands that, but no one wants to admit it. It sucks, but they have to do the right thing for the kids. If PSU gets money from the Beavs, it’ll be about the only money made this year from football.
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Post by obf on Jul 27, 2020 8:04:17 GMT -8
Perhaps they should start make plans to move the season to spring or whatever, instead of crossing their fingers, closing their eyes and muttering under their collective breaths, "oh pleasee... oh please... oh please...". Unless atownbeaver has a super positive update on vaccines, that is the only hail mary we have left now.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 27, 2020 8:20:50 GMT -8
Perhaps they should start make plans to move the season to spring or whatever, instead of crossing their fingers, closing their eyes and muttering under their collective breaths, "oh pleasee... oh please... oh please...". Unless atownbeaver has a super positive update on vaccines, that is the only hail mary we have left now. same ol on that front. Probably at the end of the year. Moderna has officially started their phase III trial, has recruited 30,000 people, I am not sure how long they will go, because we are in atypical times and not necessarily following standard trial timing and routines. I think it will be at least 8 weeks. Oxford in on about the same time line, and I believe Johnson and Johnson has a candidate that is starting up final trials very soon as well. These companies are making up for shorter trials by enrolling more people. Long story short, if everything goes well with no delays, it is possible data analysis and preparing all that information for the FDA can happen in October. the FDA can probably approve it by November, and they will ramp up production for several weeks or a month before delivering vaccines in December. That is my most optimistic timeline imaginable. Either way, I think the most prudent thing to do is to just plan for Winter/Spring football. use that time to figure out how you are managing competing schedules/facilities/needs etc. I think Baseball is showing us what we know. it took less than a week, like 3 games played, for one team to explode with it. EDIT to add: Moderna CEO says the most optimistic estimation is November. The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them, so we are putting a lot of chips in this basket. I do think the early data is promising and worth the optimism.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 27, 2020 10:03:49 GMT -8
Perhaps they should start make plans to move the season to spring or whatever, instead of crossing their fingers, closing their eyes and muttering under their collective breaths, "oh pleasee... oh please... oh please...". Unless atownbeaver has a super positive update on vaccines, that is the only hail mary we have left now. same ol on that front. Probably at the end of the year. Moderna has officially started their phase III trial, has recruited 30,000 people, I am not sure how long they will go, because we are in atypical times and not necessarily following standard trial timing and routines. I think it will be at least 8 weeks. Oxford in on about the same time line, and I believe Johnson and Johnson has a candidate that is starting up final trials very soon as well. These companies are making up for shorter trials by enrolling more people. Long story short, if everything goes well with no delays, it is possible data analysis and preparing all that information for the FDA can happen in October. the FDA can probably approve it by November, and they will ramp up production for several weeks or a month before delivering vaccines in December. That is my most optimistic timeline imaginable. Either way, I think the most prudent thing to do is to just plan for Winter/Spring football. use that time to figure out how you are managing competing schedules/facilities/needs etc. I think Baseball is showing us what we know. it took less than a week, like 3 games played, for one team to explode with it. EDIT to add: Moderna CEO says the most optimistic estimation is November. The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them, so we are putting a lot of chips in this basket. I do think the early data is promising and worth the optimism. "The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them" And others. Not a one horse bet.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 27, 2020 10:52:44 GMT -8
same ol on that front. Probably at the end of the year. Moderna has officially started their phase III trial, has recruited 30,000 people, I am not sure how long they will go, because we are in atypical times and not necessarily following standard trial timing and routines. I think it will be at least 8 weeks. Oxford in on about the same time line, and I believe Johnson and Johnson has a candidate that is starting up final trials very soon as well. These companies are making up for shorter trials by enrolling more people. Long story short, if everything goes well with no delays, it is possible data analysis and preparing all that information for the FDA can happen in October. the FDA can probably approve it by November, and they will ramp up production for several weeks or a month before delivering vaccines in December. That is my most optimistic timeline imaginable. Either way, I think the most prudent thing to do is to just plan for Winter/Spring football. use that time to figure out how you are managing competing schedules/facilities/needs etc. I think Baseball is showing us what we know. it took less than a week, like 3 games played, for one team to explode with it. EDIT to add: Moderna CEO says the most optimistic estimation is November. The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them, so we are putting a lot of chips in this basket. I do think the early data is promising and worth the optimism. "The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them" And others. Not a one horse bet. That is correct, however, Moderna is getting an outsized portion of NIH funding relative to their size. I have no doubt most of the candidates will come into action, within a short time of one another. It is also a vaccine we will need to produce at least annually.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 27, 2020 12:44:15 GMT -8
Perhaps they should start make plans to move the season to spring or whatever, instead of crossing their fingers, closing their eyes and muttering under their collective breaths, "oh pleasee... oh please... oh please...". Unless atownbeaver has a super positive update on vaccines, that is the only hail mary we have left now. same ol on that front. Probably at the end of the year. Moderna has officially started their phase III trial, has recruited 30,000 people, I am not sure how long they will go, because we are in atypical times and not necessarily following standard trial timing and routines. I think it will be at least 8 weeks. Oxford in on about the same time line, and I believe Johnson and Johnson has a candidate that is starting up final trials very soon as well. These companies are making up for shorter trials by enrolling more people. Long story short, if everything goes well with no delays, it is possible data analysis and preparing all that information for the FDA can happen in October. the FDA can probably approve it by November, and they will ramp up production for several weeks or a month before delivering vaccines in December. That is my most optimistic timeline imaginable. Either way, I think the most prudent thing to do is to just plan for Winter/Spring football. use that time to figure out how you are managing competing schedules/facilities/needs etc. I think Baseball is showing us what we know. it took less than a week, like 3 games played, for one team to explode with it. EDIT to add: Moderna CEO says the most optimistic estimation is November. The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them, so we are putting a lot of chips in this basket. I do think the early data is promising and worth the optimism. AstraZeneca still looks like it is still ahead of Moderna in the race. I am hopeful that we hear good news coming out of Oxford next month. Supposedly, there is production capacity in place to create enough vaccine to vaccinate everybody in America that wants a shot within a month. We will see.
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Post by obf on Jul 27, 2020 13:55:39 GMT -8
Moderna is an american company, and AstraZeneca /Oxford is from England, correct? I guess it makes since for the US Federal government to invest more heavily in the US outfit... Are there any pharmaceutical companies not in England or the US working on a vaccine or getting close to one? Edit to add: Forbes says these are the nine companies who are leading the pack: ForbesUS, UK, Gemrany, China and France all see to be working on it.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jul 27, 2020 14:10:51 GMT -8
Perhaps they should start make plans to move the season to spring or whatever, instead of crossing their fingers, closing their eyes and muttering under their collective breaths, "oh pleasee... oh please... oh please...". Unless atownbeaver has a super positive update on vaccines, that is the only hail mary we have left now. same ol on that front. Probably at the end of the year. Moderna has officially started their phase III trial, has recruited 30,000 people, I am not sure how long they will go, because we are in atypical times and not necessarily following standard trial timing and routines. I think it will be at least 8 weeks. Oxford in on about the same time line, and I believe Johnson and Johnson has a candidate that is starting up final trials very soon as well. These companies are making up for shorter trials by enrolling more people. Long story short, if everything goes well with no delays, it is possible data analysis and preparing all that information for the FDA can happen in October. the FDA can probably approve it by November, and they will ramp up production for several weeks or a month before delivering vaccines in December. That is my most optimistic timeline imaginable. Either way, I think the most prudent thing to do is to just plan for Winter/Spring football. use that time to figure out how you are managing competing schedules/facilities/needs etc. I think Baseball is showing us what we know. it took less than a week, like 3 games played, for one team to explode with it. EDIT to add: Moderna CEO says the most optimistic estimation is November. The Government also just dumped an extra $432 million in funding on them, so we are putting a lot of chips in this basket. I do think the early data is promising and worth the optimism. If I understand "warp speed" correctly, they are producing and stockpiling vaccine now. If it passes muster with FDA they will be ready to go. If not, Feds will reimburse companies for their expense. www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/07/22/us-government-engages-pfizer-produce-millions-doses-covid-19-vaccine.htmlGo Beavs!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 27, 2020 15:09:08 GMT -8
Moderna is an american company, and AstraZeneca /Oxford is from England, correct? I guess it makes since for the US Federal government to invest more heavily in the US outfit... Are there any pharmaceutical companies not in England or the US working on a vaccine or getting close to one? Edit to add: Forbes says these are the nine companies who are leading the pack: ForbesUS, UK, Gemrany, China and France all see to be working on it. yes, AstraZeneca is partnered with Oxford university, and may very well be ahead. AstraZeneca is a UK company based in Cambridge (the UK one...) They published their phase I/II trials last week in the Lancet: www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltextIt is hard to know for sure, because trials and phases are not apples to apples in the USA and in other places, and heck it isn't even here because of how we are altering general standards to accelerate approval. It doesn't help us on the timeline because their first commitment is supplying Europe with vaccine doses.To the point, they committed to 400 million European doses, probably as obligation for research funding. That doesn't preclude the possibility they license it to an outfit in America to produce doses for us, but it does basically say that Oxford is not going to provide America doses on day one. Moderna is the leader for the USA and the one that represents from whom we might see a vaccine first. Even if the UK/EU approve the vaccine over there, our own FDA will need to approve it here. Long story short, the path of an American getting a vaccine the quickest is via Moderna. If it comes from another place, it will take longer. Much longer? maybe not, but there is no last month or two of 2020 hope if Moderna doesn't come through. Edit to add: for Oxford, sadly, it may also be that the need is not as great in the EU as it is in the USA and some vaccines are diverted here for at risk and/or health care workers, if indeed they are out there first.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jul 27, 2020 15:12:21 GMT -8
Moderna is an american company, and AstraZeneca /Oxford is from England, correct? I guess it makes since for the US Federal government to invest more heavily in the US outfit... Are there any pharmaceutical companies not in England or the US working on a vaccine or getting close to one? Edit to add: Forbes says these are the nine companies who are leading the pack: ForbesUS, UK, Gemrany, China and France all see to be working on it. At one point some 100 independent vaccines were in development. It should be of no surprise the news you get the most on are the ones that are publicly traded... J&J is hot on the tail of Moderna and Oxford.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 27, 2020 18:22:58 GMT -8
Best scenario is that we get three players with effective vaccines, and that they are have a stockpile of vaccine for when they get approved. But with more and more of the medical community coming to the conclusion that it may take at least two doses to be sure, that puts a big load on the system. Right now they are struggling with gearing up to make enough vials and syringes. How hard can that be? Remember they are also trying to be ready for the annual flu and other respiratory illnesses, childhood vaccines, regional illnesses - billions of shots every year, billions of vials. And now we need billions more.
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Post by sagebrush on Jul 27, 2020 19:03:19 GMT -8
I have absolutely no faith in that a vaccine even if developed will be available to enough people to be effective. Remember the Presidential quote that everyone who wants a test can get one. The vaccine rollout will be identical in failure.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Jul 27, 2020 19:14:28 GMT -8
I have absolutely no faith in that a vaccine even if developed will be available to enough people to be effective. Remember the Presidential quote that everyone who wants a test can get one. The vaccine rollout will be identical in failure. I can actually call and order it. I’ve been looking at doing fishing trip to Alaska and they require 72 hour test showing no Covid within arriving there. There’s several options to choose from
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 27, 2020 20:31:23 GMT -8
I have absolutely no faith in that a vaccine even if developed will be available to enough people to be effective. Remember the Presidential quote that everyone who wants a test can get one. The vaccine rollout will be identical in failure. Provided we get a vaccine that works, I'm thinking the rollout should be much more successful and rapid than the testing rollout. Unlike the tests, which had to be proven to work and get approval before starting production, the vaccines are supposedly going to start production before final approval. By the time they get cleared there will likely be millions of doses ready to go. That's a huge head start, a big financial risk to the companies or government (whoever is funding it) as well if the vaccines aren't approved. Hopefully the trials are safe and successful, otherwise it could be a very long slog. As far as the Trump quote goes, even his "scientists" were saying that. They should have been way more careful with their words and said something along the lines of anyone who has actual legitimate symptoms should be able to get a test. So far 47 million out of 52 million tests have been negative. My guess a LOT, not all though, of those negative tests were performed on people with a great deal of paranioa and no symptoms. It would have been nice if most all the early tests could have been used on people with symptoms or at least very high risk and in the position to infect others, not so sure that was the case.
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