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Post by irimi on Aug 1, 2020 21:08:04 GMT -8
I wonder why?
Did you ever stop to consider that the governor's orders have prevented COVID from really taking off?
I mean, look at eastern Oregon right now as an example. They didn't see a reason to mask or to follow the rules and now the virus has spread like wildfire.
So if you think the numbers are low, thank your governor and thank your fellow Oregonians for masking up. Don't blame the newspaper for spreading hype. We've seen what the virus CAN do, and we have seen the benefits of taking precautions.
It isn't political and it isn't rocket science. It is easy to see what works and what doesn't.
Hmmmm so why is it that Sweden never implemented jack diddly ...just said let’s use common sense ...no shutdown...no government overreach....schools still open...so my take is that I can use common sense ....you ignore the impacts of shutdown and the destructive consequences all for the sake of the almighty Covid.....if you are over 70....yep it’s a concern but has little to no impact on the younger generation but we try to hype that up as well. So I’ll give credit to the common sense folks since they are the ones will keep this country moving forward. Based upon what I have seen firsthand here in Marion County, you'd think that jack diddly was implemented here, too.
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Post by irimi on Aug 1, 2020 21:43:04 GMT -8
Perspective on the last six months in Oregon Covid deaths: 325 Other deaths 16,800 Is there something amiss here or are we just all forgetting the other issues that impact us more than the Covid. The number of deaths of an illness or some other cause does not necessarily mean that they impact us more. For example, 1,750 Oregonians have died from lung cancer this year. Should I be concerned? I don't smoke, and I exercise and eat well. I doubt lung cancer will affect me directly.
Should I care? Yes! Lung cancer is vicious. And your lungs are very important to your health, especially as you age. So I support raising the smoking age. I support higher taxes on tobacco. I support education and intervention. It's important to the health of Oregon (and Americans).
(And, yes, you can look at the smoking rate in Japan and find statistics about lung cancer, only to find that though they have a higher smoking rate, they have lower occurrences of lung cancer. At least, it used to be that way.)
219 Oregonians have died so far this year from car accidents. Should we care? Does it affect us? Luckily, we have laws and a government agency that studies traffic patterns and dangerous spots. Cars have improved safety devices, better seat belts and air bags, better brakes, accident warning, lane assistance, and the list goes on. Why? Because we want to drive safely.
The ironic thing is that really COVID potentially can affect more people directly than either of these. Is that what you want? What's so hard about wearing a mask and maintaining social distance?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 1:06:30 GMT -8
Let's ruin the livelihoods of many people, ruin the economy, and act like this guy for just a little longer guys! It will get better! Promise! ...Unless you've been rioting for the last 60 days of course. That's totally OK, and not warranting any condemnation.
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Post by blackbug on Aug 2, 2020 7:14:33 GMT -8
Bull talk back at ya.....Oregon live puts out a bunch of crap all around but now that we are in August our Covid counts are nowhere near the counts in the story they ran on their front page I wonder why?
Did you ever stop to consider that the governor's orders have prevented COVID from really taking off?
I mean, look at eastern Oregon right now as an example. They didn't see a reason to mask or to follow the rules and now the virus has spread like wildfire.
So if you think the numbers are low, thank your governor and thank your fellow Oregonians for masking up. Don't blame the newspaper for spreading hype. We've seen what the virus CAN do, and we have seen the benefits of taking precautions.
It isn't political and it isn't rocket science. It is easy to see what works and what doesn't.
Not true. Do not spout things you do not know. I live in Umatilla County.
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Post by zeroposter on Aug 2, 2020 7:43:24 GMT -8
I wonder why?
Did you ever stop to consider that the governor's orders have prevented COVID from really taking off?
I mean, look at eastern Oregon right now as an example. They didn't see a reason to mask or to follow the rules and now the virus has spread like wildfire.
So if you think the numbers are low, thank your governor and thank your fellow Oregonians for masking up. Don't blame the newspaper for spreading hype. We've seen what the virus CAN do, and we have seen the benefits of taking precautions.
It isn't political and it isn't rocket science. It is easy to see what works and what doesn't.
Not true. Do not spout things you do not know. I live in Umatilla County. People need to look at the numbers behind the numbers. The same is true for Malheur and Morrow as well as Umatilla. Union County did have the church outbreak, but Union County has dropped their numbers to near zero.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 2, 2020 7:45:55 GMT -8
Let's ruin the livelihoods of many people, ruin the economy, and act like this guy for just a little longer guys! It will get better! Promise! ...Unless you've been rioting for the last 60 days of course. That's totally OK, and not warranting any condemnation. What, in hell does ANY if that have to do with the other? Show me when ANYONE said rioting was OK. Show me where it wasn't condemned by the state.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Aug 2, 2020 7:48:00 GMT -8
Here in Coos Bay / North Bend....it’s a mixture. Safeway more so. We have a great youth baseball going on during the week and it’s neat to see the youngsters having fun dressed up in their uniforms. Side note: Oregon live is a true liberal network....they ran a front page article on July 10th stating that Oregon would experience a significant increase in Covid with daily cases running between 1,100 and 7,300 per day. Obviously a scare tactic.....wonder if they will apologize to their readers about this flawed report.....Nahhhh won’t happen....I keep forgetting they represent the Portland folks Horse s%#t..... but you knew that already. Had nothing to do with Oregon Live. www.wweek.com/news/2020/06/26/oregon-could-see-4800-new-covid-cases-a-day-by-mid-july-if-trends-continue-researchers-warn/ you keep stepping in the Pooh pile....Italy has a higher rate and that’s with totally shutting down their economy. The US will be higher than any of those countries and that’s even shutting down for 3 months ....causing 1 out of 4 people to loose their job......a 30% decline in GDP......so yeah I’d take Sweden’s approach in a heartbeat. Common sense can accomplish so much more than letting politicians dictate our lives. Sweden has such low numbers now they don’t even require masks on public transit.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 2, 2020 7:54:22 GMT -8
I wonder why?
Did you ever stop to consider that the governor's orders have prevented COVID from really taking off?
I mean, look at eastern Oregon right now as an example. They didn't see a reason to mask or to follow the rules and now the virus has spread like wildfire.
So if you think the numbers are low, thank your governor and thank your fellow Oregonians for masking up. Don't blame the newspaper for spreading hype. We've seen what the virus CAN do, and we have seen the benefits of taking precautions.
It isn't political and it isn't rocket science. It is easy to see what works and what doesn't.
Not true. Do not spout things you do not know. I live in Umatilla County. Just trying to understand WHAT "isn't true." People left to their own devices was a failure. I live in Linn County. 75% of folks here DID NOT wear a mask OR social distance, until it was mandated. There are ahelluvalot of selfish folks out there. If there were more selfLESS folks, this could have been somewhat minimized.
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Post by zeroposter on Aug 2, 2020 8:21:53 GMT -8
Not true. Do not spout things you do not know. I live in Umatilla County. Just trying to understand WHAT "isn't true." People left to their own devices was a failure. I live in Linn County. 75% of folks here DID NOT wear a mask OR social distance, until it was mandated. There are ahelluvalot of selfish folks out there. If there were more selfLESS folks, this could have been somewhat minimized. The condemnation of Eastern Oregon counties, particularly the heavy agricultural areas, does not follow the true nature of those outbreaks. It is a hell of a lot more complex than the mask-social distancing guidelines that are easy for Lebanon or Bend people in general to follow.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 2, 2020 8:29:45 GMT -8
Just trying to understand WHAT "isn't true." People left to their own devices was a failure. I live in Linn County. 75% of folks here DID NOT wear a mask OR social distance, until it was mandated. There are ahelluvalot of selfish folks out there. If there were more selfLESS folks, this could have been somewhat minimized. The condemnation of Eastern Oregon counties, particularly the heavy agricultural areas, does not follow the true nature of those outbreaks. It is a hell of a lot more complex than the mask-social distancing guidelines that are easy for Lebanon or Bend people in general to follow. Help me understand. I don't think it's any easier to wear a mask or social distance in Deschutes and Linn County than Union, Malheur, Umatilla, etc counties.
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Post by irimi on Aug 2, 2020 8:30:05 GMT -8
I wonder why?
Did you ever stop to consider that the governor's orders have prevented COVID from really taking off?
I mean, look at eastern Oregon right now as an example. They didn't see a reason to mask or to follow the rules and now the virus has spread like wildfire.
So if you think the numbers are low, thank your governor and thank your fellow Oregonians for masking up. Don't blame the newspaper for spreading hype. We've seen what the virus CAN do, and we have seen the benefits of taking precautions.
It isn't political and it isn't rocket science. It is easy to see what works and what doesn't.
Not true. Do not spout things you do not know. I live in Umatilla County. I'm listening. Please explain.
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Post by irimi on Aug 2, 2020 8:35:07 GMT -8
Not true. Do not spout things you do not know. I live in Umatilla County. People need to look at the numbers behind the numbers. The same is true for Malheur and Morrow as well as Umatilla. Union County did have the church outbreak, but Union County has dropped their numbers to near zero. How did Union County drop their numbers to near zero? By doing their own thing? By holding more choir practices? Or by following guidelines set by doctors and scientists?
If only they had just had access to those guidelines BEFORE the outbreak.....
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Post by zeroposter on Aug 2, 2020 8:40:17 GMT -8
The condemnation of Eastern Oregon counties, particularly the heavy agricultural areas, does not follow the true nature of those outbreaks. It is a hell of a lot more complex than the mask-social distancing guidelines that are easy for Lebanon or Bend people in general to follow. Help me understand. I don't think it's any easier to wear a mask or social distance in Deschutes and Linn County than Union, Malheur, Umatilla, etc counties. Union church did screw the pooch. But pull your head out and examine the demographics in the other counties. It is not an easy problem to solve in those counties as State and local leaders have acknowledged without totally destroying on a long term basis the local economies as well as really hurting certain, already economically disadvantaged, segments of the population.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 2, 2020 9:38:51 GMT -8
you keep stepping in the Pooh pile....Italy has a higher rate and that’s with totally shutting down their economy. The US will be higher than any of those countries and that’s even shutting down for 3 months ....causing 1 out of 4 people to loose their job......a 30% decline in GDP......so yeah I’d take Sweden’s approach in a heartbeat. Common sense can accomplish so much more than letting politicians dictate our lives. Sweden has such low numbers now they don’t even require masks on public transit. Again...HORSE s%#t. The U.S. "shut down" for three months? Really? Where? THREE MONTHS. The ENTIRE U.S.? Nope. Not all shut-downs were equal, nor enforced, nor taken seriously. Here are the numbers for the reopening in the middle of ahelluva surge. Most Swedes took it upon themselves to mask up and social distance. No one had to TELL them to. You talk about "common sense and personal responsibility?" Not in MUCH of the U.S.A. www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/states-reopening-coronavirus-map/
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Post by ag87 on Aug 2, 2020 10:27:02 GMT -8
Help me understand. I don't think it's any easier to wear a mask or social distance in Deschutes and Linn County than Union, Malheur, Umatilla, etc counties. Union church did screw the pooch. But pull your head out and examine the demographics in the other counties. It is not an easy problem to solve in those counties as State and local leaders have acknowledged without totally destroying on a long term basis the local economies as well as really hurting certain, already economically disadvantaged, segments of the population. You say, "mask-social distancing guidelines that are easy for Lebanon or Bend people in general to follow." I asked why is it easy to do this in Lebanon or Bend but not in Eastern Oregon counties. You state "pull your head out and examine the demographics." I understand you want to defend your home area. I'm not being condescending. Is there something I'm missing that makes it difficult to social distance and wear a mask in, for example, Hermiston or Baker City? If you are only trolling, feel free to insult or ignore.
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