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Post by nabeav on Aug 3, 2020 8:55:57 GMT -8
Having not been a Div. I athlete, I can't exactly say I'm speaking from experience here. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a definite hint from coaching staffs, etc. to not make your schedule "too hard" so that you can focus on your sport. And I will say that (of my own doing) I took the path of least resistance to a degree, and that degree was not exactly helpful in landing me a lucrative job. So if the players are asking for an extra year or two of sport free education where they can devote time to actually getting a degree or working an internship that will put them on a path to a better life, I think that is a perfectly reasonable response. If you get an academic scholarship, it's not like someone's saying "hey, at least 20-25 hours a week, we need you doing these additional things while also getting that degree.
I also find it interesting that one of the demands was to "end lavish facility expenditures." Shows me the student athletes are willing to sacrifice some of their own comfort to make lasting change.
I've always believed that nobody is happy in a good compromise, so maybe if this is where they are starting we can end up with something everyone can live with. I agree that the revenue sharing isn't going to happen, particularly if one of their demands is the continuation of all sports.
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Post by zeroposter on Aug 3, 2020 9:13:24 GMT -8
I agree with the player taking personal responsibility for his own risk and opting out. I also agree with Rolovich in saying that the player can't take part in team activities because the team activities are where the risk is present.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 3, 2020 9:14:16 GMT -8
I agree with the player taking personal responsibility for his own risk and opting out. I also agree with Rolovich in saying that the player can't take part in team activities because the team activities are where the risk is present. Seems quite simple. I must be missing something.
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 3, 2020 11:12:57 GMT -8
Tuition, fees, books, room and board, and god only knows what under the table things plus a degree if you choose to work at it, is not bad for a teenage part time job. That is beau coup money. Shut up and go to work. Oh I don't know maybe coaches don't need to be paid 2, 3, 5, 8 million a year. Maybe Larry Scott could take a pay cut. Maybe Barnes is paid a 100k too much. I think both of these statements have some truthfulness to them.
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Post by mbabeav on Aug 3, 2020 11:27:09 GMT -8
Just wait when players start negotiating during recruiting on which school is going to pay the most for their services. We ain't seen nothing yet. My understanding is that this has been happening for the past 100+ years.......
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2020 11:37:59 GMT -8
I think these guys are guilty of some serious overreach.
Yes, the Pac-12 should make all efforts to ensure the health of the players. That's a given, and already being done.
But free health care until they are 28? Seriously? Six years paid scholarship to graduate? Five seems amply generous, considering they can all attend summer classes and still receive scholarship aid.
Ending "lavish facility expenses?" Sure, like they're willing to go back to their old locker rooms, or their own weight rooms, etc. The Duck who suggests that is going to be real popular in Eugene.
If you seriously feel you're being exploited as a college athlete, if a full scholarship, cost of attendance stipend, tutoring, health care and preferred registration (among other benefits) aren't enough, that's your right. One alternative would be to quit your team and join the 95% of students who aren't "exploited," and who get to pay for their own tuition/lodging/books/etc.
Other's mileage may vary, of course.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 3, 2020 11:56:00 GMT -8
I agree with the player taking personal responsibility for his own risk and opting out. I also agree with Rolovich in saying that the player can't take part in team activities because the team activities are where the risk is present. Seems quite simple. I must be missing something. Jevon Holland potentially may have dropped his draft value a bit by making his statements. I find it ironic. Controversy is not always the best attribute to possess when looking for work.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 3, 2020 11:58:07 GMT -8
I think these guys are guilty of some serious overreach. Yes, the Pac-12 should make all efforts to ensure the health of the players. That's a given, and already being done. But free health care until they are 28? Seriously? Six years paid scholarship to graduate? Five seems amply generous, considering they can all attend summer classes and still receive scholarship aid. Ending "lavish facility expenses?" Sure, like they're willing to go back to their old locker rooms, or their own weight rooms, etc. The Duck who suggests that is going to be real popular in Eugene. If you seriously feel you're being exploited as a college athlete, if a full scholarship, cost of attendance stipend, tutoring, health care and preferred registration (among other benefits) aren't enough, that's your right. One alternative would be to quit your team and join the 95% of students who aren't "exploited," and who get to pay for their own tuition/lodging/books/etc. Other's mileage may vary, of course. Could you imagine what would happen if the NCAA mandated not exceeding standardized locker rooms and facilities?
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Post by gmart on Aug 3, 2020 12:45:49 GMT -8
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Post by beaversproud on Aug 3, 2020 12:51:49 GMT -8
Did these athletes compare and contrast what other conferences are doing?
Wouldn't this have been a better letter if other conferences were involved?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2020 12:59:55 GMT -8
That column pretty much sums up my feelings. If you feel exploited, then don't play.
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Post by ostate on Aug 3, 2020 14:41:11 GMT -8
That column pretty much sums up my feelings. If you feel exploited, then don't play. Yeah - these guys have an OPPORTUNITY to improve their future at no cost to them, they do not have to take it... It's not a RIGHT to play college ball...
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 3, 2020 14:43:34 GMT -8
That column pretty much sums up my feelings. If you feel exploited, then don't play. Isn't that why the model is broken for football, they don't have anywhere else to go play? In baseball and basketball they can go to professional minor leagues, they can go overseas, they have options. In football there is only college football, and that has led to a broken model. I don't have a solution, but I certainly think the players have good reason to push back at the broken model.
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Post by ostate on Aug 3, 2020 14:46:51 GMT -8
That column pretty much sums up my feelings. If you feel exploited, then don't play. Isn't that why the model is broken for football, they don't have anywhere else to go play? In baseball and basketball they can go to professional minor leagues, they can go overseas, they have options. In football there is only college football, and that has led to a broken model. I don't have a solution, but I certainly think the players have good reason to push back at the broken model. That's on the NFL - they restrict entry not the ncaa...
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Post by maximumbeaver on Aug 3, 2020 15:14:26 GMT -8
They’ll change if there aren’t players coming out of colleges. The NFL has had it pretty good with no minor league system.
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