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Post by beaverdude on Aug 5, 2020 6:10:15 GMT -8
With long term injuries or disabling conditions resulting from football -- which would not be covered by a future health insurance policy because it/they would be pre-existing. So not like every other graduate. Rather than cherry pick statements to fit your desired narrative, perhaps you might address my entire post? HIPAA took care of the pre-existing issue so that's a non-starter....
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Post by jdogge on Aug 5, 2020 6:36:38 GMT -8
With long term injuries or disabling conditions resulting from football -- which would not be covered by a future health insurance policy because it/they would be pre-existing. So not like every other graduate. Rather than cherry pick statements to fit your desired narrative, perhaps you might address my entire post? HIPAA took care of the pre-existing issue so that's a non-starter.... Um no, it won't. When a player gets new insurance -- like us non-players -- whether it be life or medical -- he/she/it will have to disclose all pre-existing medical problems or they run the risk that the company will refuse to pay for any related treatments. HIPPA allows for this.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 5, 2020 6:43:39 GMT -8
With long term injuries or disabling conditions resulting from football -- which would not be covered by a future health insurance policy because it/they would be pre-existing. So not like every other graduate. Rather than cherry pick statements to fit your desired narrative, perhaps you might address my entire post? HIPAA took care of the pre-existing issue so that's a non-starter.... THAT would be a good thing...but, it didn't.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2020 9:17:49 GMT -8
You probably went on a week-long bender when MLB ended the Reserve Clause.
MLB did not end the reserve clause. An arbitration panel did, by a 2-1 vote, freeing up Dave McNally and Andy Messersmith to sign with the team of their choice after not signing a contract the previous year and then playing out their options, without a contract. Comparing a 1972 MLB baseball player, who had no rights as an employee and could not decide by himself where he wanted to play, either as an amateur subject to the draft or as a player bound to a team in perpetuity once he signed, to a 2020 college football player, who can choose where he wants to play, and can elect to transfer to the school of his choice at any time if his first choice does not work out, is ludicrous. PS: MILB is a professional organization. Not semi-pro. "MLB did not end the reserve clause. An arbitration panel did, by a 2-1 vote ..." Ok, Cliff Clayven, but here's the deal --- arbitration isn't mandatory unless agreed to by both parties. So, yes, MLB ended the reserve clause. I can see that still hurts. "MILB is a professional organization. Not semi-pro" You haven't watched many A (Short Season) games, have you? Wow. A panel comprised of an MLB rep, a Player's Union rep, and an independent arbitrator was convened to determine the status of McNally and Messersmith, who had played an entire season without a signed contract, thus playing out their option. The arbitrator ruled they had met the terms of their contracts, that the reserve clause does not exist in perpetuity, and that the players were no longer bound to their current teams by the reserve clause, and were free agents. MLB did not end the reserve clause. It fought Curt Flood all the way to the Supreme Court to defend it. It was forced to drop the reserve clause by binding arbitration, which it believed it would win. If it were solely up to MLB, it would still be in effect. MLB did not chose to eliminate the reserve clause anymore than Alabama or Mississippi chose to desegregate schools or expand voting rights. I have seen plenty of short-season A baseball. While it is not of the highest quality, it is most assuredly professional baseball, comprised completely of players and coaches signed by major league teams. PS: Regarding your snarky "Cliff Clayven" comment (BTW, it's Cliff Clavin), being informed on a topic is generally a good thing.
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Post by beaverdude on Aug 5, 2020 10:18:39 GMT -8
HIPAA took care of the pre-existing issue so that's a non-starter.... Um no, it won't. When a player gets new insurance -- like us non-players -- whether it be life or medical -- he/she/it will have to disclose all pre-existing medical problems or they run the risk that the company will refuse to pay for any related treatments. HIPPA allows for this. Sorry but that's not true. You will receive a Creditable Coverage letter from your previous insurer which you pass to your new insurer and all pre-existing coverage restrictions cannot be enforced. Pre-existing rules were created to protect health plans from adverse or negative selection. This is a situation where people only purchase insurance when they seek medical treatment.
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Post by jdogge on Aug 5, 2020 14:23:23 GMT -8
"MLB did not end the reserve clause. An arbitration panel did, by a 2-1 vote ..." Ok, Cliff Clayven, but here's the deal --- arbitration isn't mandatory unless agreed to by both parties. So, yes, MLB ended the reserve clause. I can see that still hurts. "MILB is a professional organization. Not semi-pro" You haven't watched many A (Short Season) games, have you? Wow. A panel comprised of an MLB rep, a Player's Union rep, and an independent arbitrator was convened to determine the status of McNally and Messersmith, who had played an entire season without a signed contract, thus playing out their option. The arbitrator ruled they had met the terms of their contracts, that the reserve clause does not exist in perpetuity, and that the players were no longer bound to their current teams by the reserve clause, and were free agents. MLB did not end the reserve clause. It fought Curt Flood all the way to the Supreme Court to defend it. It was forced to drop the reserve clause by binding arbitration, which it believed it would win. If it were solely up to MLB, it would still be in effect. MLB did not chose to eliminate the reserve clause anymore than Alabama or Mississippi chose to desegregate schools or expand voting rights. I have seen plenty of short-season A baseball. While it is not of the highest quality, it is most assuredly professional baseball, comprised completely of players and coaches signed by major league teams. PS: Regarding your snarky "Cliff Clayven" comment (BTW, it's Cliff Clavin), being informed on a topic is generally a good thing. Except Cliff was a blowhard.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2020 15:50:32 GMT -8
He also was a postman, and lived in Massachusetts. So that's three things we don't have in common.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 6, 2020 12:19:10 GMT -8
My daughter is in middle school, and we're preparing for her not to return to school until Sept 2021. I don't think there is going to be a football season this year.
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Post by irimi on Aug 6, 2020 18:47:19 GMT -8
My daughter is in middle school, and we're preparing for her not to return to school until Sept 2021. I don't think there is going to be a football season this year. That would be wise. Besides public schools are crappy nowdays. Home school her or send her to a private school. They are only as crappy as you want them to be. There are a lot of good programs and caring teachers in our public school system. They don’t deserved to be dismissed as simply as this. If you aren’t happy with the public school system as it seems you are not, then give a little time or give a little more money. Or vote for the bonds when they come up. To dismiss them as crappy and not want to do anything about them is condemning the future of America.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 6, 2020 19:35:47 GMT -8
Sparty says....".............That would be wise. Besides public schools are crappy nowdays. Home school her or send her to a private school." That's an ignorant, broad-brushed, uneducated opinion. All public schools are "crappy?" I wondered how that would go over. I graduated from a poor HS in Caldwell, Idaho and my wife is always amazed at the caliber of people that came from there (not me though many times!). Not all public schools are bad now, but many are. Personally, I don’t think home schooling is the answer. We think kids need that socialization and all the good and bad that comes from public school. Take the best, leave the rest.
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Post by lebaneaver on Aug 6, 2020 19:41:30 GMT -8
Sparty says....".............That would be wise. Besides public schools are crappy nowdays. Home school her or send her to a private school." That's an ignorant, broad-brushed, uneducated opinion. All public schools are "crappy?" I wondered how that would go over. I graduated from a poor HS in Caldwell, Idaho and my wife is always amazed at the caliber of people that came from there (not me though many times!). Not all public schools are bad now, but many are. Personally, I don’t think home schooling is the answer. We think kids need that socialization and all the good and bad that comes from public school. Take the best, leave the rest. My eldest son is Principal for a K-8th public school in the Lebanon district, my youngest son is a teacher in the district, and my wife was an educator for 25 years. It was personal.. All crappy? Hell NO.
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Post by fishwrapper on Aug 6, 2020 19:59:15 GMT -8
That would be wise. Besides public schools are crappy nowdays. Home school her or send her to a private school. Schools are only as crappy as the kid's parents.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 6, 2020 20:16:43 GMT -8
Schools are only as crappy as the kid's parents. Not always, but point taken.
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Post by blastingsand on Sept 17, 2020 10:17:51 GMT -8
So I guess these demands are out the window now?
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