bmoc
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Aug 11, 2020 12:52:10 GMT -8
Post by bmoc on Aug 11, 2020 12:52:10 GMT -8
Well, so much for that.
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Aug 11, 2020 12:55:50 GMT -8
Post by rmancarl on Aug 11, 2020 12:55:50 GMT -8
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bmoc
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Aug 11, 2020 13:03:22 GMT -8
Post by bmoc on Aug 11, 2020 13:03:22 GMT -8
I can see the Pac-12 doing what the OSAA did and insert fall sports into March/April.
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Post by sparty on Aug 11, 2020 14:06:11 GMT -8
I can see the Pac-12 doing what the OSAA did and insert fall sports into March/April. So now all the fall sports compete with the winter sports for tv. Who is going to lose out? I am afraid the WBB and volleyball teams. Not to mention softball.
Let alone scheduling on top of one another. Sounds like a mess.
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bmoc
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Aug 11, 2020 14:51:12 GMT -8
Post by bmoc on Aug 11, 2020 14:51:12 GMT -8
It's going to be tough on HS kids who participate in two or more sports. In a nutshell, OSAA put winter sports in Jan/Feb, fall sports in Mar/Apr and spring sports in May/June. Probably won't impact individual collegiate athletes as much, but the competition for venues will be a scheduling nightmare.
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Aug 11, 2020 18:30:12 GMT -8
Post by avidbeaver on Aug 11, 2020 18:30:12 GMT -8
I don't see why the Pac-12 couldn't have waited longer to see if it was possible to have the basketball season considering it wouldn't start until the beginning of November. A lot of things could change for the better but it also could get worse. I just feel they could have waited to see if things get better by the time basketball was supposed to start practicing in early October. I know there is a lot of factors involved. It doesn't affect me because I don't have season tickets to any sport but it sure affects the current athletes.
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Post by fishwrapper on Aug 12, 2020 6:10:20 GMT -8
I don't see why the Pac-12 couldn't have waited longer... Having taken the path of not having football revenue, the choice was already made for all that follows.
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Aug 12, 2020 12:02:16 GMT -8
Post by sparty on Aug 12, 2020 12:02:16 GMT -8
Why so quick to cut the basketball season off now? What is different from December to January start? A December start would be doable without have an adjusted April Madness Tourney.
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oldbeav
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Aug 12, 2020 12:08:03 GMT -8
Post by oldbeav on Aug 12, 2020 12:08:03 GMT -8
WBB has not been cut. My understanding is summer workouts are not cancelled and full contact practices will probably start mid-November
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Aug 12, 2020 18:43:28 GMT -8
Post by avidbeaver on Aug 12, 2020 18:43:28 GMT -8
I don't see why the Pac-12 couldn't have waited longer... Having taken the path of not having football revenue, the choice was already made for all that follows. What about the revenue from the pac 12 network and others? No games no revenue from the networks. I know it would never pay for the other sports but at least it would bring in some revenue considering there would be no fans in the stands. Just think they could have waited a little longer. Oh well, doesn't affect me other than being a fan. The athletes are the ones who are affected.
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Aug 12, 2020 19:04:30 GMT -8
Post by bvrbooster on Aug 12, 2020 19:04:30 GMT -8
IF there is no season at all, and IF all athletes in all sports get an additional year of eligibility, 2022 recruiting becomes very interesting at a lot of schools that normally carry a full roster. All those players who should be finished after the 2021-'22 season (Taya, Jasmine) will be back again. Where you gonna put them all? Even if the NCAA ups the max roster number for a few years, there's still only 200 minutes of playing time. You redshirt a bunch of them in 2022, you've got the same problem in 2023. Oregon has 5 freshmen this year. They'll still be freshmen in 2021, along with anybody else they bring in for that year.
In our case, however, much as we don't want this season to disappear, 2021-'22 could be quite something for us if that happened. Aleah would be a senior and Taya a redshirt junior, so you've got seasoned veterans there. Kennedy (who would be back) and Taylor would be sophomores, and Sasha, Greta, and Talia freshmen. Presumably, there would be 4 McDonald's All Americans on the team with 15 combined years of eligibility remaining. Could be quite something!
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Aug 12, 2020 22:04:14 GMT -8
Post by fishwrapper on Aug 12, 2020 22:04:14 GMT -8
What about the revenue from the pac 12 network and others? No games no revenue from the networks. I know it would never pay for the other sports but at least it would bring in some revenue considering there would be no fans in the stands. Just think they could have waited a little longer. Oh well, doesn't affect me other than being a fan. The athletes are the ones who are affected. I was rolling P12 revenue in with football revenue, though that's being sloppy, I'll admit. Whatever the revenue stream, football is the greatest economic driver/enabler. Even if late hoops seasons able to happen, and even spring sports, the resulting revenue wouldn't make up the difference. No matter what, even if a truncated spring football season can be logistically laid over a spring schedule, I can't imagine it would totally refill the hole left by a canceled season. So how would a school pay for all of this in spring? The P12 may act as shylock - which would make the overall deficit in Gill that much larger when they get done cooking the books on June 30. Yes, some of it would be spread out over time (the P12 loan), but it's still a bigger number than cutting the losses for the year now. Some schools may have force majeure clauses in contracts that can open up a renegotiation in coach contracts. I honestly don't know. But coach salaries (and in some places, top admin ones, too) are the largest expense - maybe use th eP12 loan to cover those only. But that's just dum-ass speculation on my part. The beancounters are reshuffling the ledgers as I type this, and in the next few days and weeks we will see plans coming out to manage this new deficit load, and maybe add to the debt load with a P12 loan. What would suck is if they just work whatever hoops they must to meet their contract obligations and leave the students just hanging. I read Barnes today in the G-T, and they are at least trying to keep something open for the players to continue to train and strengthen, even if they can't do sport-specific practices. So that's encouraging. Bottom line: what a mess. But it could have been worse.
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Aug 13, 2020 6:05:35 GMT -8
Post by sparty on Aug 13, 2020 6:05:35 GMT -8
What about the revenue from the pac 12 network and others? No games no revenue from the networks. I know it would never pay for the other sports but at least it would bring in some revenue considering there would be no fans in the stands. Just think they could have waited a little longer. Oh well, doesn't affect me other than being a fan. The athletes are the ones who are affected. I was rolling P12 revenue in with football revenue, though that's being sloppy, I'll admit. Whatever the revenue stream, football is the greatest economic driver/enabler. Even if late hoops seasons able to happen, and even spring sports, the resulting revenue wouldn't make up the difference. No matter what, even if a truncated spring football season can be logistically laid over a spring schedule, I can't imagine it would totally refill the hole left by a canceled season. So how would a school pay for all of this in spring? The P12 may act as shylock - which would make the overall deficit in Gill that much larger when they get done cooking the books on June 30. Yes, some of it would be spread out over time (the P12 loan), but it's still a bigger number than cutting the losses for the year now. Some schools may have force majeure clauses in contracts that can open up a renegotiation in coach contracts. I honestly don't know. But coach salaries (and in some places, top admin ones, too) are the largest expense - maybe use th eP12 loan to cover those only. But that's just dum-ass speculation on my part. The beancounters are reshuffling the ledgers as I type this, and in the next few days and weeks we will see plans coming out to manage this new deficit load, and maybe add to the debt load with a P12 loan. What would suck is if they just work whatever hoops they must to meet their contract obligations and leave the students just hanging. I read Barnes today in the G-T, and they are at least trying to keep something open for the players to continue to train and strengthen, even if they can't do sport-specific practices. So that's encouraging. Bottom line: what a mess. But it could have been worse. I was told by a couple of athletes you can only practice so much.
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