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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 11, 2020 17:34:43 GMT -8
Jiminy Christmas Wilky. I don't think anyone is impressed. At some point, we will have a discussion on 19th century Russian history (this is Benny's House - it will happen.) And then you will cut and paste War and Peace, trying to make yourself sound smart. Here's pretty much everything I know ablou 19th century (or therabouts) Russian history....
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Post by seastape on Sept 11, 2020 18:08:20 GMT -8
Um, silly me; I don't get it. What has bashing/defending California got to do with the OP? California robs our States blind of electricity and water. And then people talk about how great California is without conceding how much that State is propped up by the States around it. They turned Goose Lake into a dust bowl and took Lakeview off the Lake! They have laid waste to the Colorado River Watershed! I mostly want those of us who do not live in California to be proud Sons of Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc. If you live or are from California that is one thing, but I am 99% sure that ATown is from Albany. (I mean c'mon!) California contains FUCLA, the University of Spoiled Children, Fresno State and their batteries, the spoiled rich kids at Stanford and their slightly slower cousins at Berkeley. (And some other schools presumably?) And then people come onto an Oregon State Beaver board, greatest University in the country, and talk about how great California is. Seriously? Show some pride! Go Beavs! Actually, one person--not some people-- talked about the three western states, including California, as being desirable places to live and then you flew off the handle about how awful California is. We get it. You hate California. Go ahead and join the long line of people who do (a line that includes many people who have never been there). Sorry you had a bad experience in California, but some of your attacks are ridiculous. You were dead-ass freaking wrong about California's energy efficiency per GDP. You say California "steals" electricity. No it doesn't; it buys it. And you dog California's GDP growth as being "only" the 15th best in the nation...well in the top third. Not bad for a place that has a GDP that no other state in the union can touch. At least you rant about California "stealing" water is closer to the mark, but you are going crazy about California taking water from a river that is part of the state's border. I believe you live in AZ, correct? The state in which over half of it's population lives in the desert cities and suburbs where it rains somewhere around 10 inches a year? California has been making real efforts at desalination, conservation and other ways to bring its water needs online. It is admittedly not succeeding. At the same time, it has not only a huge population but also is one of the largest (the largest?) agricultural producing states in the union and I'm sure you know that agriculture is the sector of society that uses by far the most water. California is part of the US, in the end, and it is using water resources from the US. And the attacks on its universities...whatever. Do you really think your kids would get a poor education if they went to a UC? Or Stanford, CalTech or the Claremont Colleges? California has some of the greatest public and private universities in the world by pretty much any measure. Those universities feed into one of the tech capitals of the world. I get why people don't want to live here. Hell, the only reason I do is because of family. If no family and no concern about career, I would probably live in Newport, Oregon. But Cal ain't a bad place to be; It has pretty much anything someone could want.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2020 21:27:04 GMT -8
Jiminy Christmas Wilky. I don't think anyone is impressed. At some point, we will have a discussion on 19th century Russian history (this is Benny's House - it will happen.) And then you will cut and paste War and Peace, trying to make yourself sound smart. Here's pretty much everything I know ablou 19th century (or therabouts) Russian history.... I am personally a bigger fan of this one:
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 11, 2020 22:10:56 GMT -8
Um, silly me; I don't get it. What has bashing/defending California got to do with the OP? California robs our States blind of electricity and water. And then people talk about how great California is without conceding how much that State is propped up by the States around it. They turned Goose Lake into a dust bowl and took Lakeview off the Lake! They have laid waste to the Colorado River Watershed! I mostly want those of us who do not live in California to be proud Sons of Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc. If you live or are from California that is one thing, but I am 99% sure that ATown is from Albany. (I mean c'mon!) California contains FUCLA, the University of Spoiled Children, Fresno State and their batteries, the spoiled rich kids at Stanford and their slightly slower cousins at Berkeley. (And some other schools presumably?) And then people come onto an Oregon State Beaver board, greatest University in the country, and talk about how great California is. Seriously? Show some pride! Go Beavs! I am from Albany. Born and raise. Went to West A (Go Bulldogs) and recently move to Salem. Can't say I actually like Salem, but whatever. it is a place. And yeah, I do like Oregon and have no intention of leaving, but it just seems weird to be to "Be a Son of Oregon". Like, why? Literally I was just born here. Seems like bizarre tribalism to me? I like the place. happy I am here. Think there are many great things here and like everywhere, some not so great things. I don't think I have to be some grand defender of Oregon, a champion of it's cause, or anything. We are, first and foremost, Americans. We are, after that, the citizens of our states. No state, in the United States, is my enemy, or my competition, or anything. We are "Sons Of America" As I said before, man, I do not give a f%#* about California... I am actually getting irritated I am defending it! But I do care about dumb generalized statements and spurious arguments. Particularly ones that, at their heart, are not driven by objective analysis but rather deep seated dislike towards fellow Americans for what they believe. That is some bulls%#t man. It starts from a stupid place (liberal=bad, in this example) and only goes down hill from there. It forces a person into Olympic level mental gymnastics to dismiss and rationalize away things to force everything into a predetermined conclusion... Liberals = Bad in this case. It is black and white, right or wrong, yes or no, extremist thinking completely devoid of nuance. It ignores the obvious reality: there is good and bad with everything. With California, with the West Coast, with America, with this entire planet. That is no way to go through life. A person can believe there are problems with capitalism and not be a communist. A person can think police departments needs some reforms and not be anti-cop A person can want a small government and deregulation and not be a billionaire oligarch. Life IS nuanced. We only run into bulls%#t when somebody swings WAY on over to one side or the other and stops wading in the ugly grey areas. We do it because it is easier. It is hard to constantly rectify dozens of daily hypocrisies and inconsistency in our values with what we run into every single day. It is exhausting. So much so it is more comforting to our selves to lump things over into large sweeping generalized buckets, to selectively ignore, and not engage in the conflict. We just draw hard, crude lines instead. and because we are animals, human animals, we also really, really like our tribe. And worse, we don't tend to align to the "All members of the spaceship Earth" tribe too often... Hell, we don't even like to join the "All Americans" tribes in reality. We join the tribe that fosters those hard lines... And these hard lines betray us and lead us to dark places. I went to a gun show back when you could do that sort of thing and one of the first tables I came too an old dude had set up his wares and in the middle was a big paper sign "NO SALES TO DEMOCRATS" I wasn't mad (I could give f%#* all about the DNC...) I was just sad this dude lives his life every day hating fellow Americans and having an enemy in his mind he is fighting every day. This dude lives with a boogieman in his head... rent free. Also, it seemed pretty stupid to not want to sell somebody something, talk about a Pyrrhic victory. I felt the same profound sadness when I read some posts in this thread that more or less were "west coast liberals suck" or whatever. Like... what a pathetic way to go about life... to draw a hard line that people over here suck, so if you are ever over here you are coming on bad faith. you are not allowing yourself to enjoy all the awesome things that Washington, Oregon, California have because somewhere in the back of your head is the whole Liberal=bad thing that needs to exist. And there is a lot of awesome to be had. If you are walking around looking for trouble you are going to find it. You are just making your own self-fulfilling prophecy. And California seems to be the grand punching bag for "west coast liberals suck"... And yeah, there is a lot of crappy things about California. Have you ever tried to hunt there? I have! sweet Jesus... But there is a lot of great things. Lets not forget they have non-government regulated booze! I can't think of anything more quintessentially Oregonian than going to Costco in Redding for booze... Same with Washington. I honestly think Seattle is a pretty sweet town and I don't like big cities. I dislike Portland generally, but I am usually keen to go to Seattle... I don't care about California any more or less than any other state I have been to. And I have never been to a state I have not found something amazing and wonderful in. It boggles my mind people want to find reasons to hate states or the people in them. Tennessee: Nashville is baller, the country is beautiful, and the Whiskey tours are fun Arkansas: Open diamond mine park, unique nature, yummy catfish po-boys Nevada: I can walk down the streets of Vegas with a lit cigar and an open can of beer and ain't nobody gives a f%#*. Love it Washington: Who hasn't taken a picture at the space needle? like, come on... Idaho: no better state in the US for the sportsman/hunter. period. Florida: NASA! Hawaii: Do I really have to explain this one? Most of New England: History, Italian food, and lobster... The list goes on. Every state is great in it's own way. It is fine to be proud of your home state... but I find it really f%#*in' weird to attack other ones. I have never hid I am a liberal leaning dude. I have never hid I deeply dislike Trump... But I don't think I have ever had a time where I have said I hate conservatives, or I hate republicans or anything like that. My extended family is cattle farmers in Idaho and all are very, very firmly conservative republicans. I spent a lot of time hanging out with some fiercely republican people that are all fine folks. I have zero quarrel with them. I have some DEEPLY christian conservative in-laws. We get a long swimmingly. They were literally here last week, and the first thing they saw was a sign my wife put up that was some version of "this house believes love is love, science is real, no human is illegal, etc." they just said "that is a nice sentiment" and that was the only conversation. I am a climate change believer with a father in law in the mining industry... And yet we just had a nice round of take out sushi and beers on my deck with out a care in the world the other day. We are all very capable of co-existing. We are all very capable of peacefully interacting with other tribes. We are all very capable of accepting some people just think differently, some people just do stuff differently. Is what it is. I dunno man. It just seems like it is trying too hard to hate something. Like I can't imagine putting effort into that. Throw your shade where it doesn't matter: Other sports teams. Lets chill out on hating on each other, other places, countries, religions, and all that s%#t. TL;DR: don't be a hater man.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2020 22:44:45 GMT -8
Jiminy Christmas Wilky. I don't think anyone is impressed. At some point, we will have a discussion on 19th century Russian history (this is Benny's House - it will happen.) And then you will cut and paste War and Peace, trying to make yourself sound smart. Fun fact: One of my ancestors founded the village of Красносілка (Krasnosilka) in 1830 in the Ukraine, what was then the Russian Empire. My ancestor was a German immigrant, who originally named the village Güldendorf. After the defeat of Napolean in 1815, Russia invited war-weary Germans to settle in the Ukraine to serve as a buffer between the Ottoman Empire and the rest of the Russian Empire. My ancestor was one of the Germans that answered the call, traveling approximately 1200 miles to settle in the Ukraine. After the Franco-Prussian War ended and in order to eliminate people who were viewed as dangerous internal elements, Germany began to persecute Polish and Russian (the Polish and Russian are both Slavic peoples) people within their Empire, and Russia, in response, began to persecute German people within their Empire. The result was that between 1871-1887, my Polish and German ancestors fled their homes to settle in the United States of America. I actually just got through researching the Napoleanic Era, so we could have a decent conversation about the Napoleanic Era Wars. We could talk about the 1824 Russo-American Treaty. We could talk about the Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War. I am decently versed in 1861-1901 Russian History as it relates to the Alexander II reforms, Alexander III's autocracy and the beginning of the Nicholas II reign. We could also talk about the sale of Alaska to the United States. As for War and Peace, I have never read it, but I understand that War and Peace covers the Wars of the Third and Fourth Coalition and the Invasion of Russia.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2020 23:08:26 GMT -8
California robs our States blind of electricity and water. And then people talk about how great California is without conceding how much that State is propped up by the States around it. They turned Goose Lake into a dust bowl and took Lakeview off the Lake! They have laid waste to the Colorado River Watershed! I mostly want those of us who do not live in California to be proud Sons of Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc. If you live or are from California that is one thing, but I am 99% sure that ATown is from Albany. (I mean c'mon!) California contains FUCLA, the University of Spoiled Children, Fresno State and their batteries, the spoiled rich kids at Stanford and their slightly slower cousins at Berkeley. (And some other schools presumably?) And then people come onto an Oregon State Beaver board, greatest University in the country, and talk about how great California is. Seriously? Show some pride! Go Beavs! Actually, one person--not some people-- talked about the three western states, including California, as being desirable places to live and then you flew off the handle about how awful California is. We get it. You hate California. Go ahead and join the long line of people who do (a line that includes many people who have never been there). Sorry you had a bad experience in California, but some of your attacks are ridiculous. You were dead-ass freaking wrong about California's energy efficiency per GDP. You say California "steals" electricity. No it doesn't; it buys it. And you dog California's GDP growth as being "only" the 15th best in the nation...well in the top third. Not bad for a place that has a GDP that no other state in the union can touch. At least you rant about California "stealing" water is closer to the mark, but you are going crazy about California taking water from a river that is part of the state's border. I believe you live in AZ, correct? The state in which over half of it's population lives in the desert cities and suburbs where it rains somewhere around 10 inches a year? California has been making real efforts at desalination, conservation and other ways to bring its water needs online. It is admittedly not succeeding. At the same time, it has not only a huge population but also is one of the largest (the largest?) agricultural producing states in the union and I'm sure you know that agriculture is the sector of society that uses by far the most water. California is part of the US, in the end, and it is using water resources from the US. And the attacks on its universities...whatever. Do you really think your kids would get a poor education if they went to a UC? Or Stanford, CalTech or the Claremont Colleges? California has some of the greatest public and private universities in the world by pretty much any measure. Those universities feed into one of the tech capitals of the world. I get why people don't want to live here. Hell, the only reason I do is because of family. If no family and no concern about career, I would probably live in Newport, Oregon. But Cal ain't a bad place to be; It has pretty much anything someone could want. It usually rains about eight inches in the Valley of the Sun. Yuma is the driest city in the United States. There is more precipitation in Flagstaff and Tucson. Flag is actually the eighth-snowiest city in America, ranking ahead of places like Buffalo, Duluth and Juneau. Water is a huge issue in Southwestern Arizona. California is a visually beautiful place with great weather. I have always said that California would be great, if it were not filled with so many Californians. If I was opulently wealthy, I would strongly consider moving somewhere between Malibu and Pacifica. If I had a summer home, I would love to find a place between Depoe Bay and Waldport. Lots to do. Lots to see. I always have a great time. I have lived in California or Arizona, since I graduated from OSU. At this point, my blood is too thin to think about moving back to Oregon full time.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2020 23:16:52 GMT -8
California robs our States blind of electricity and water. And then people talk about how great California is without conceding how much that State is propped up by the States around it. They turned Goose Lake into a dust bowl and took Lakeview off the Lake! They have laid waste to the Colorado River Watershed! I mostly want those of us who do not live in California to be proud Sons of Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc. If you live or are from California that is one thing, but I am 99% sure that ATown is from Albany. (I mean c'mon!) California contains FUCLA, the University of Spoiled Children, Fresno State and their batteries, the spoiled rich kids at Stanford and their slightly slower cousins at Berkeley. (And some other schools presumably?) And then people come onto an Oregon State Beaver board, greatest University in the country, and talk about how great California is. Seriously? Show some pride! Go Beavs! If you love Oregon so much, why don't you live there? It is difficult to make money there. Taxes are too high, and there is not much growth. Plus, at this point, my blood is too thin to think about living in Oregon full-time.
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Post by beavs6 on Sept 12, 2020 6:07:27 GMT -8
California robs our States blind of electricity and water. And then people talk about how great California is without conceding how much that State is propped up by the States around it. They turned Goose Lake into a dust bowl and took Lakeview off the Lake! They have laid waste to the Colorado River Watershed! I mostly want those of us who do not live in California to be proud Sons of Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, etc. If you live or are from California that is one thing, but I am 99% sure that ATown is from Albany. (I mean c'mon!) California contains FUCLA, the University of Spoiled Children, Fresno State and their batteries, the spoiled rich kids at Stanford and their slightly slower cousins at Berkeley. (And some other schools presumably?) And then people come onto an Oregon State Beaver board, greatest University in the country, and talk about how great California is. Seriously? Show some pride! Go Beavs! I am from Albany. Born and raise. Went to West A (Go Bulldogs) and recently move to Salem. Can't say I actually like Salem, but whatever. it is a place. And yeah, I do like Oregon and have no intention of leaving, but it just seems weird to be to "Be a Son of Oregon". Like, why? Literally I was just born here. Seems like bizarre tribalism to me? I like the place. happy I am here. Think there are many great things here and like everywhere, some not so great things. I don't think I have to be some grand defender of Oregon, a champion of it's cause, or anything. We are, first and foremost, Americans. We are, after that, the citizens of our states. No state, in the United States, is my enemy, or my competition, or anything. We are "Sons Of America" As I said before, man, I do not give a f%#* about California... I am actually getting irritated I am defending it! But I do care about dumb generalized statements and spurious arguments. Particularly ones that, at their heart, are not driven by objective analysis but rather deep seated dislike towards fellow Americans for what they believe. That is some bulls%#t man. It starts from a stupid place (liberal=bad, in this example) and only goes down hill from there. It forces a person into Olympic level mental gymnastics to dismiss and rationalize away things to force everything into a predetermined conclusion... Liberals = Bad in this case. It is black and white, right or wrong, yes or no, extremist thinking completely devoid of nuance. It ignores the obvious reality: there is good and bad with everything. With California, with the West Coast, with America, with this entire planet. That is no way to go through life. A person can believe there are problems with capitalism and not be a communist. A person can think police departments needs some reforms and not be anti-cop A person can want a small government and deregulation and not be a billionaire oligarch. Life IS nuanced. We only run into bulls%#t when somebody swings WAY on over to one side or the other and stops wading in the ugly grey areas. We do it because it is easier. It is hard to constantly rectify dozens of daily hypocrisies and inconsistency in our values with what we run into every single day. It is exhausting. So much so it is more comforting to our selves to lump things over into large sweeping generalized buckets, to selectively ignore, and not engage in the conflict. We just draw hard, crude lines instead. and because we are animals, human animals, we also really, really like our tribe. And worse, we don't tend to align to the "All members of the spaceship Earth" tribe too often... Hell, we don't even like to join the "All Americans" tribes in reality. We join the tribe that fosters those hard lines... And these hard lines betray us and lead us to dark places. I went to a gun show back when you could do that sort of thing and one of the first tables I came too an old dude had set up his wares and in the middle was a big paper sign "NO SALES TO DEMOCRATS" I wasn't mad (I could give f%#* all about the DNC...) I was just sad this dude lives his life every day hating fellow Americans and having an enemy in his mind he is fighting every day. This dude lives with a boogieman in his head... rent free. Also, it seemed pretty stupid to not want to sell somebody something, talk about a Pyrrhic victory. I felt the same profound sadness when I read some posts in this thread that more or less were "west coast liberals suck" or whatever. Like... what a pathetic way to go about life... to draw a hard line that people over here suck, so if you are ever over here you are coming on bad faith. you are not allowing yourself to enjoy all the awesome things that Washington, Oregon, California have because somewhere in the back of your head is the whole Liberal=bad thing that needs to exist. And there is a lot of awesome to be had. If you are walking around looking for trouble you are going to find it. You are just making your own self-fulfilling prophecy. And California seems to be the grand punching bag for "west coast liberals suck"... And yeah, there is a lot of crappy things about California. Have you ever tried to hunt there? I have! sweet Jesus... But there is a lot of great things. Lets not forget they have non-government regulated booze! I can't think of anything more quintessentially Oregonian than going to Costco in Redding for booze... Same with Washington. I honestly think Seattle is a pretty sweet town and I don't like big cities. I dislike Portland generally, but I am usually keen to go to Seattle... I don't care about California any more or less than any other state I have been to. And I have never been to a state I have not found something amazing and wonderful in. It boggles my mind people want to find reasons to hate states or the people in them. Tennessee: Nashville is baller, the country is beautiful, and the Whiskey tours are fun Arkansas: Open diamond mine park, unique nature, yummy catfish po-boys Nevada: I can walk down the streets of Vegas with a lit cigar and an open can of beer and ain't nobody gives a f%#*. Love it Washington: Who hasn't taken a picture at the space needle? like, come on... Idaho: no better state in the US for the sportsman/hunter. period. Florida: NASA! Hawaii: Do I really have to explain this one? Most of New England: History, Italian food, and lobster... The list goes on. Every state is great in it's own way. It is fine to be proud of your home state... but I find it really f%#*in' weird to attack other ones. I have never hid I am a liberal leaning dude. I have never hid I deeply dislike Trump... But I don't think I have ever had a time where I have said I hate conservatives, or I hate republicans or anything like that. My extended family is cattle farmers in Idaho and all are very, very firmly conservative republicans. I spent a lot of time hanging out with some fiercely republican people that are all fine folks. I have zero quarrel with them. I have some DEEPLY christian conservative in-laws. We get a long swimmingly. They were literally here last week, and the first thing they saw was a sign my wife put up that was some version of "this house believes love is love, science is real, no human is illegal, etc." they just said "that is a nice sentiment" and that was the only conversation. I am a climate change believer with a father in law in the mining industry... And yet we just had a nice round of take out sushi and beers on my deck with out a care in the world the other day. We are all very capable of co-existing. We are all very capable of peacefully interacting with other tribes. We are all very capable of accepting some people just think differently, some people just do stuff differently. Is what it is. I dunno man. It just seems like it is trying too hard to hate something. Like I can't imagine putting effort into that. Throw your shade where it doesn't matter: Other sports teams. Lets chill out on hating on each other, other places, countries, religions, and all that s%#t. TL;DR: don't be a hater man.
What is even more frustrating is when people live in the far pendulum swing one way or the other and try to pin you completely to their side. The "If you are not all in with my way of thinking and acting, you must be completely against me". Really creates a challenge in today's times.
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Post by seastape on Sept 13, 2020 11:24:42 GMT -8
Actually, one person--not some people-- talked about the three western states, including California, as being desirable places to live and then you flew off the handle about how awful California is. We get it. You hate California. Go ahead and join the long line of people who do (a line that includes many people who have never been there). Sorry you had a bad experience in California, but some of your attacks are ridiculous. You were dead-ass freaking wrong about California's energy efficiency per GDP. You say California "steals" electricity. No it doesn't; it buys it. And you dog California's GDP growth as being "only" the 15th best in the nation...well in the top third. Not bad for a place that has a GDP that no other state in the union can touch. At least you rant about California "stealing" water is closer to the mark, but you are going crazy about California taking water from a river that is part of the state's border. I believe you live in AZ, correct? The state in which over half of it's population lives in the desert cities and suburbs where it rains somewhere around 10 inches a year? California has been making real efforts at desalination, conservation and other ways to bring its water needs online. It is admittedly not succeeding. At the same time, it has not only a huge population but also is one of the largest (the largest?) agricultural producing states in the union and I'm sure you know that agriculture is the sector of society that uses by far the most water. California is part of the US, in the end, and it is using water resources from the US. And the attacks on its universities...whatever. Do you really think your kids would get a poor education if they went to a UC? Or Stanford, CalTech or the Claremont Colleges? California has some of the greatest public and private universities in the world by pretty much any measure. Those universities feed into one of the tech capitals of the world. I get why people don't want to live here. Hell, the only reason I do is because of family. If no family and no concern about career, I would probably live in Newport, Oregon. But Cal ain't a bad place to be; It has pretty much anything someone could want. It usually rains about eight inches in the Valley of the Sun. Yuma is the driest city in the United States. There is more precipitation in Flagstaff and Tucson. Flag is actually the eighth-snowiest city in America, ranking ahead of places like Buffalo, Duluth and Juneau. Water is a huge issue in Southwestern Arizona. California is a visually beautiful place with great weather. I have always said that California would be great, if it were not filled with so many Californians. If I was opulently wealthy, I would strongly consider moving somewhere between Malibu and Pacifica. If I had a summer home, I would love to find a place between Depoe Bay and Waldport. Lots to do. Lots to see. I always have a great time. I have lived in California or Arizona, since I graduated from OSU. At this point, my blood is too thin to think about moving back to Oregon full time. Wow...43 million people in a state and you have decided that they all think the same and you can't seem to find any good ones. That's very broad-minded of you.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 13, 2020 11:37:18 GMT -8
It usually rains about eight inches in the Valley of the Sun. Yuma is the driest city in the United States. There is more precipitation in Flagstaff and Tucson. Flag is actually the eighth-snowiest city in America, ranking ahead of places like Buffalo, Duluth and Juneau. Water is a huge issue in Southwestern Arizona. California is a visually beautiful place with great weather. I have always said that California would be great, if it were not filled with so many Californians. If I was opulently wealthy, I would strongly consider moving somewhere between Malibu and Pacifica. If I had a summer home, I would love to find a place between Depoe Bay and Waldport. Lots to do. Lots to see. I always have a great time. I have lived in California or Arizona, since I graduated from OSU. At this point, my blood is too thin to think about moving back to Oregon full time. Wow...43 million people in a state and you have decided that they all think the same and you can't seem to find any good ones. That's very broad-minded of you. Last couple times I traveled in California I seemed to encounter nice/good people. Of all ethnicities and I never asked them about their politics. For whatever that may be worth. I love Oregon - I was born and raised here. But I'm just not into demonizing "other" States. Your mileage may vary.
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2020 11:51:03 GMT -8
Jiminy Christmas Wilky. I don't think anyone is impressed. At some point, we will have a discussion on 19th century Russian history (this is Benny's House - it will happen.) And then you will cut and paste War and Peace, trying to make yourself sound smart. Fun fact: One of my ancestors founded the village of Красносілка (Krasnosilka) in 1830 in the Ukraine, what was then the Russian Empire. My ancestor was a German immigrant, who originally named the village Güldendorf. After the defeat of Napolean in 1815, Russia invited war-weary Germans to settle in the Ukraine to serve as a buffer between the Ottoman Empire and the rest of the Russian Empire. My ancestor was one of the Germans that answered the call, traveling approximately 1200 miles to settle in the Ukraine. After the Franco-Prussian War ended and in order to eliminate people who were viewed as dangerous internal elements, Germany began to persecute Polish and Russian (the Polish and Russian are both Slavic peoples) people within their Empire, and Russia, in response, began to persecute German people within their Empire. The result was that between 1871-1887, my Polish and German ancestors fled their homes to settle in the United States of America. I actually just got through researching the Napoleanic Era, so we could have a decent conversation about the Napoleanic Era Wars. We could talk about the 1824 Russo-American Treaty. We could talk about the Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War. I am decently versed in 1861-1901 Russian History as it relates to the Alexander II reforms, Alexander III's autocracy and the beginning of the Nicholas II reign. We could also talk about the sale of Alaska to the United States. As for War and Peace, I have never read it, but I understand that War and Peace covers the Wars of the Third and Fourth Coalition and the Invasion of Russia. You have Asperger's, don't you?
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Post by jdogge on Sept 13, 2020 11:54:14 GMT -8
If you love Oregon so much, why don't you live there? It is difficult to make money there. Taxes are too high, and there is not much growth. Plus, at this point, my blood is too thin to think about living in Oregon full-time. 2019 growth of GDP in California was 4.7%. Meaning the GDP of California will double in just over 15 years. I'll take it.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 13, 2020 12:02:55 GMT -8
Jiminy Christmas Wilky. I don't think anyone is impressed. At some point, we will have a discussion on 19th century Russian history (this is Benny's House - it will happen.) And then you will cut and paste War and Peace, trying to make yourself sound smart. Fun fact: One of my ancestors founded the village of Красносілка (Krasnosilka) in 1830 in the Ukraine, what was then the Russian Empire. My ancestor was a German immigrant, who originally named the village Güldendorf. After the defeat of Napolean in 1815, Russia invited war-weary Germans to settle in the Ukraine to serve as a buffer between the Ottoman Empire and the rest of the Russian Empire. My ancestor was one of the Germans that answered the call, traveling approximately 1200 miles to settle in the Ukraine. After the Franco-Prussian War ended and in order to eliminate people who were viewed as dangerous internal elements, Germany began to persecute Polish and Russian (the Polish and Russian are both Slavic peoples) people within their Empire, and Russia, in response, began to persecute German people within their Empire. The result was that between 1871-1887, my Polish and German ancestors fled their homes to settle in the United States of America. I actually just got through researching the Napoleanic Era, so we could have a decent conversation about the Napoleanic Era Wars. We could talk about the 1824 Russo-American Treaty. We could talk about the Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War. I am decently versed in 1861-1901 Russian History as it relates to the Alexander II reforms, Alexander III's autocracy and the beginning of the Nicholas II reign. We could also talk about the sale of Alaska to the United States. As for War and Peace, I have never read it, but I understand that War and Peace covers the Wars of the Third and Fourth Coalition and the Invasion of Russia.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 14, 2020 12:10:33 GMT -8
It usually rains about eight inches in the Valley of the Sun. Yuma is the driest city in the United States. There is more precipitation in Flagstaff and Tucson. Flag is actually the eighth-snowiest city in America, ranking ahead of places like Buffalo, Duluth and Juneau. Water is a huge issue in Southwestern Arizona. California is a visually beautiful place with great weather. I have always said that California would be great, if it were not filled with so many Californians. If I was opulently wealthy, I would strongly consider moving somewhere between Malibu and Pacifica. If I had a summer home, I would love to find a place between Depoe Bay and Waldport. Lots to do. Lots to see. I always have a great time. I have lived in California or Arizona, since I graduated from OSU. At this point, my blood is too thin to think about moving back to Oregon full time. Wow...43 million people in a state and you have decided that they all think the same and you can't seem to find any good ones. That's very broad-minded of you. Straw man's argument. You are putting words into my mouth and then defeating the statement that you are asserting that I am making. I know a lot of great Californians. You being one of them, seastape. I work with several, both inside and outside my firm. The problem is quantity. There are too many Californians: Democrats, Republicans, Independents. Too many. There are several exceptions, so this is an over-generalization, but it has been my experience that Californians are typically very California-centric in their thinking. (Actually, from my experience, NorCal is hella NorCal-centric and SoCal is very SoCal-centric. A lot of NorCal rips on SoCal, and a lot of SoCal doesn't even know that there is a NorCal). From my experience, the nice parts of SoCal tend to be very overly preoccupied with looks and zip codes: where you are from, how you look, what (or often who) you are wearing, where you are wearing it, when you are wearing it, etc. At my last firm, my boss was a gorgeous woman from SoCal. She was very smart and very fit, but you could not have a conversation with her for any length of time without having her talking about losing even more weight and getting a new round of botox injections. While in California, I had to help check in one of the students at Pepperdine into rehab, so we get her to stop starving herself to death. She was a model on the side. Again. Gorgeous and smart. (Harvard undergrad.) But she was getting crushed by California, the people. I found the whole thing toxically-decadent, self-absorbed and depressing. (But I may have just spent too much time in Calabasas, Malibu and the OC.) Fun story, though, to help illustrate my point. I once was at a party in Arizona, where there was a Californian, who was droning on and on about living in the OC and how great it was to everyone around her. (The OC is great, by the way. Huntington and Newport are both great.) But her droning on was getting to be too much. Finally, I got sick of it and asked here, "Wait, where are you from again?" And she said Corona. And I felt compelled to laugh in her face, because, as we all know, Corona is Inland Empire, not the OC. And I felt bad for her, and for me, because it shouldn't matter. But it's SoCal, and it matters. That woman is SoCal in my mind. The smarmy pretentiousness of it all. (Both her and me for knowing it.) Too many of those people. You get wrapped up in it, and it infects you. Others love it. Different strokes, I suppose.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 14, 2020 13:26:09 GMT -8
Fun fact: One of my ancestors founded the village of Красносілка (Krasnosilka) in 1830 in the Ukraine, what was then the Russian Empire. My ancestor was a German immigrant, who originally named the village Güldendorf. After the defeat of Napolean in 1815, Russia invited war-weary Germans to settle in the Ukraine to serve as a buffer between the Ottoman Empire and the rest of the Russian Empire. My ancestor was one of the Germans that answered the call, traveling approximately 1200 miles to settle in the Ukraine. After the Franco-Prussian War ended and in order to eliminate people who were viewed as dangerous internal elements, Germany began to persecute Polish and Russian (the Polish and Russian are both Slavic peoples) people within their Empire, and Russia, in response, began to persecute German people within their Empire. The result was that between 1871-1887, my Polish and German ancestors fled their homes to settle in the United States of America. I actually just got through researching the Napoleanic Era, so we could have a decent conversation about the Napoleanic Era Wars. We could talk about the 1824 Russo-American Treaty. We could talk about the Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War. I am decently versed in 1861-1901 Russian History as it relates to the Alexander II reforms, Alexander III's autocracy and the beginning of the Nicholas II reign. We could also talk about the sale of Alaska to the United States. As for War and Peace, I have never read it, but I understand that War and Peace covers the Wars of the Third and Fourth Coalition and the Invasion of Russia. You have Asperger's, don't you? When in doubt, mock the autistic. What is the opposite of Post of Year, because congratulations! You won it. My God have mercy on your soul.
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