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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 15, 2020 14:50:33 GMT -8
Thank you for the clarification and advice. That’s a 10 4 on the State just waiting for the retirement lake house in Idaho to finish up construction. I hear Proud Boys Construction does good work. Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 15:10:37 GMT -8
Well your wrong sweetheart. I’m a product of the Oregon public school system including Oregon State. I just received my education before Governors and teachers used their leverage to punish the kids and families they work for to obtain a political outcome they want because they have TDS. Have a great day. Yeah, that's it. They are taking these precautions not for public safety but because anyone and everyone more than one inch to the left of you are all conspiring to topple your tin-god. Whatever gets you through the night... Politics doesn’t affect how well I sleep but requiring a case count below .01 percent before you open schools for kids that are more likely to die of the flu is certainly questionable. Teachers with underlying conditions can be put on paid leave or teach online when students are not in class and those that don’t can take the proper precautions just like the rest of society is doing. Class days could be staggered to provide some instruction in person with smaller numbers and Families can also take the proper precautions with members who have underlying conditions if they are concerned about their kids spreading it. I wouldn’t assume everyone who feels this way is an avid supporter of the tin god because many independents are not but they are bright enough to comprehend the politics behind some of these decisions. The fact that Oregon has set an arbitrarily high hurdle with no compromise and an all or nothin approach should lead any curious intelligent person to question If the motives are all about public safety and if there is “any” consideration for the other consequences of their decisions which are severe. that are hurting families and kids especially low income ones tremendously. The fact that Oregon throws out an all or nothing stat hurdle and makes no attempt at any compromise with in person schooling should be a clue to an informed, non partisan semi intelligent person.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 15:15:12 GMT -8
Thank you for the clarification and advice. That’s a 10 4 on the State just waiting for the retirement lake house in Idaho to finish up construction. I hear Proud Boys Construction does good work. Good luck. Well it’s good to hear they do good work and actually build things rather than burn them down. Unfortunately I don’t think they do construction work in my location so I couldn’t use them. Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 15:17:56 GMT -8
Yeah, that's it. They are taking these precautions not for public safety but because anyone and everyone more than one inch to the left of you are all conspiring to topple your tin-god. Whatever gets you through the night... Politics doesn’t affect how well I sleep but requiring a case count below .01 percent before you open schools for kids that are more likely to die of the flu is certainly questionable. Teachers with underlying conditions can be put on paid leave or teach online when students are not in class and those that don’t can take the proper precautions just like the rest of society is doing. Class days could be staggered to provide some instruction in person with smaller numbers and Families can also take the proper precautions with members who have underlying conditions if they are concerned about their kids spreading it. I wouldn’t assume everyone who feels this way is an avid supporter of the tin god because many independents are not but they are bright enough to comprehend the politics behind some of these decisions. The fact that Oregon has set an arbitrarily high hurdle with no compromise and an all or nothin approach should lead any curious intelligent person to question If the motives are all about public safety and if there is “any” consideration for the other consequences of their decisions which are severe.
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Post by greshambeaver on Sept 15, 2020 15:21:28 GMT -8
Maybe you should quote the lil baby overly sensitive name callers who can’t emotionally handle an opposing opinion. maybe your thoughts need to be rounded up? They seem scattered and nonsensical to me!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 15:33:47 GMT -8
Maybe you should quote the lil baby overly sensitive name callers who can’t emotionally handle an opposing opinion. maybe your thoughts need to be rounded up? They seem scattered and nonsensical to me! You mean like the Pendleton roundup? That’s funny. I mainly picked that name you know to create a stereotype for being a redneck, uneducated etc. It’s easier to identify with the angry folks and where they are coming , their views , opinions etc. I will work on simplification so your more likely to comprehend them. Thank you for the advice.
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Post by Beavcat on Sept 15, 2020 16:08:34 GMT -8
Off topic? Not if your wife's a teacher and and you see how hard they work for little pay and dumba$$ comments like pendletonbeav's. Bitter? Not really; scared for our country? Yeah, a little. Have you calculated the hourly pay you know excluding summers off, staff development days, pers, online vs in class hours the big pay raise the state passed recently. You can’t pay a good teacher enough but all the Oregon teachers union does is ask for more money, newer schools and more time off and are too afraid (more political extortion than fear in my opinion) now to go perform their jobs while the rest of society goes back to work. There is also absolutely no accountability for poor performance in that profession in this state. Your wife maybe the best teacher in the state and if so I have no doubt she’s underpaid because there is no reward for performance it’s all about tenure. Reward based on tenure alone breeds complacency and incompetency not good performance. I put 2 boys through grade school and part of middle school in Texas public schools my daughter through all of her schooling in one of the top school districts in this state and there is absolutely no comparison in the quality of the education. So you can view this opinion as dumb azz because you are emotionally invested in the subject but the fact is there are many that have the same views and their not toothless, uneducated deplorable morons. First, teacher pay is not based on tenure alone. And take a look around; the rest of society has not gone back to their places of work. Why should teachers, many older with health conditions, have to risk their lives by cramming in to overcrowded classrooms? I guarantee most teachers would rather be in the classroom teaching. Your outrage is sorely misplaced.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 17:40:38 GMT -8
Have you calculated the hourly pay you know excluding summers off, staff development days, pers, online vs in class hours the big pay raise the state passed recently. You can’t pay a good teacher enough but all the Oregon teachers union does is ask for more money, newer schools and more time off and are too afraid (more political extortion than fear in my opinion) now to go perform their jobs while the rest of society goes back to work. There is also absolutely no accountability for poor performance in that profession in this state. Your wife maybe the best teacher in the state and if so I have no doubt she’s underpaid because there is no reward for performance it’s all about tenure. Reward based on tenure alone breeds complacency and incompetency not good performance. I put 2 boys through grade school and part of middle school in Texas public schools my daughter through all of her schooling in one of the top school districts in this state and there is absolutely no comparison in the quality of the education. So you can view this opinion as dumb azz because you are emotionally invested in the subject but the fact is there are many that have the same views and their not toothless, uneducated deplorable morons. First, teacher pay is not based on tenure alone. And take a look around; the rest of society has not gone back to their places of work. Why should teachers, many older with health conditions, have to risk their lives by cramming in to overcrowded classrooms? I guarantee most teachers would rather be in the classroom teaching. Your outrage is sorely misplaced. When should they go back, you obviously agree with the all or nothing approach. You also didn’t evidently comprehend the options related to dealing with at risk teachers and classroom sizes. Why can countries in Europe and many states in this country do all or some of it and Oregon can’t even attempt to do any of it because of some arbitrary statistics a politician set. It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain. I’m really curious as to your thoughts as to when they go back because the virus is not going away anytime soon half the people won’t get the vaccine when its developed and it may not be effective for yearsssss. What’s the plan. I’m not outraged I’m quite disgusted that there has been no effort to try and something other than full time online classes and waiting on a statistic to be cleared There’s no evidence they are more likely to get it in school than running around the neighborhood street parties and trips to the grocery store. Also how many teachers in Oregon have ever been fired for poor performance
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Post by Beavcat on Sept 15, 2020 18:45:17 GMT -8
First, teacher pay is not based on tenure alone. And take a look around; the rest of society has not gone back to their places of work. Why should teachers, many older with health conditions, have to risk their lives by cramming in to overcrowded classrooms? I guarantee most teachers would rather be in the classroom teaching. Your outrage is sorely misplaced. When should they go back, you obviously agree with the all or nothing approach. You also didn’t evidently comprehend the options related to dealing with at risk teachers and classroom sizes. Why can countries in Europe and many states in this country do all or some of it and Oregon can’t even attempt to do any of it because of some arbitrary statistics a politician set. It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain. I’m really curious as to your thoughts as to when they go back because the virus is not going away anytime soon half the people won’t get the vaccine when its developed and it may not be effective for yearsssss. What’s the plan. I’m not outraged I’m quite disgusted that there has been no effort to try and something other than full time online classes and waiting on a statistic to be cleared There’s no evidence they are more likely to get it in school than running around the neighborhood street parties and trips to the grocery store. Also how many teachers in Oregon have ever been fired for poor performance Maybe when the US figures out how to get this thing under control they can do what other countries are doing; so far we're failing, as in F. And why do you assume distance learning is ineffective? It's been done for many, many years with very good results. My son took high school classes on line and he did just fine with it. If there is an effective alternative why put lives at risk? (It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain.) Lastly, teachers do get fired for performance issues all the time; I've seen it in my childrens' schools as well as where my wife has taught. For legal reasons it tends to not get publicized much so you're not likely to hear about it.
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Sept 15, 2020 19:05:10 GMT -8
Thank you for the clarification and advice. That’s a 10 4 on the State just waiting for the retirement lake house in Idaho to finish up construction. Hey Pendleton....are you looking at Lake Coeur d alene ....beautiful area? My elk hunting buddy moved to Nampa and seems to like it pretty well. He switched his fifth wheel to a Lance pickup trailer to make it easier for accessing the mountains north of Boise...
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 15, 2020 19:20:27 GMT -8
Try having faith! I do. It’s a good thing!
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 15, 2020 19:30:33 GMT -8
Have you calculated the hourly pay you know excluding summers off, staff development days, pers, online vs in class hours the big pay raise the state passed recently. You can’t pay a good teacher enough but all the Oregon teachers union does is ask for more money, newer schools and more time off and are too afraid (more political extortion than fear in my opinion) now to go perform their jobs while the rest of society goes back to work. There is also absolutely no accountability for poor performance in that profession in this state. Your wife maybe the best teacher in the state and if so I have no doubt she’s underpaid because there is no reward for performance it’s all about tenure. Reward based on tenure alone breeds complacency and incompetency not good performance. I put 2 boys through grade school and part of middle school in Texas public schools my daughter through all of her schooling in one of the top school districts in this state and there is absolutely no comparison in the quality of the education. So you can view this opinion as dumb azz because you are emotionally invested in the subject but the fact is there are many that have the same views and their not toothless, uneducated deplorable morons. First, teacher pay is not based on tenure alone. And take a look around; the rest of society has not gone back to their places of work. Why should teachers, many older with health conditions, have to risk their lives by cramming in to overcrowded classrooms? I guarantee most teachers would rather be in the classroom teaching. Your outrage is sorely misplaced. My construction company with 250 people never missed a day of work. Go figure!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:31:11 GMT -8
When should they go back, you obviously agree with the all or nothing approach. You also didn’t evidently comprehend the options related to dealing with at risk teachers and classroom sizes. Why can countries in Europe and many states in this country do all or some of it and Oregon can’t even attempt to do any of it because of some arbitrary statistics a politician set. It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain. I’m really curious as to your thoughts as to when they go back because the virus is not going away anytime soon half the people won’t get the vaccine when its developed and it may not be effective for yearsssss. What’s the plan. I’m not outraged I’m quite disgusted that there has been no effort to try and something other than full time online classes and waiting on a statistic to be cleared There’s no evidence they are more likely to get it in school than running around the neighborhood street parties and trips to the grocery store. Also how many teachers in Oregon have ever been fired for poor performance Maybe when the US figures out how to get this thing under control they can do what other countries are doing; so far we're failing, as in F. And why do you assume distance learning is ineffective? It's been done for many, many years with very good results. My son took high school classes on line and he did just fine with it. If there is an effective alternative why put lives at risk? (It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain.) Lastly, teachers do get fired for performance issues all the time; I've seen it in my childrens' schools as well as where my wife has taught. For legal reasons it tends to not get publicized much so you're not likely to hear about it. You let us know what hurdles we need to meet before it’s under control because the death rate per Capita is almost exactly the same as say the UKs as well as Western Europe in aggregate so i guess they get an F too. Oregon’s is amongst the lowest in the country. I know it’s probably not what you hear but facts are always useful. Teachers with tenure rarely get fired for job performance. If we are going to to distance learning I’m perfectly fine with it. Return the tax dollars to the families and give them a choice of private or public and stop passing bond measures for bigger beautiful schools like say the additional 1.2 billion for Jefferson and benson on top of the half billion approved in 2017. Kate shut down private schools because the teachers union complained that they would lose students and tax dollars regardless of the plan they presented to safely operate.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 15, 2020 19:33:05 GMT -8
Have you calculated the hourly pay you know excluding summers off, staff development days, pers, online vs in class hours the big pay raise the state passed recently. You can’t pay a good teacher enough but all the Oregon teachers union does is ask for more money, newer schools and more time off and are too afraid (more political extortion than fear in my opinion) now to go perform their jobs while the rest of society goes back to work. There is also absolutely no accountability for poor performance in that profession in this state. Your wife maybe the best teacher in the state and if so I have no doubt she’s underpaid because there is no reward for performance it’s all about tenure. Reward based on tenure alone breeds complacency and incompetency not good performance. I put 2 boys through grade school and part of middle school in Texas public schools my daughter through all of her schooling in one of the top school districts in this state and there is absolutely no comparison in the quality of the education. So you can view this opinion as dumb azz because you are emotionally invested in the subject but the fact is there are many that have the same views and their not toothless, uneducated deplorable morons. First, teacher pay is not based on tenure alone. And take a look around; the rest of society has not gone back to their places of work. Why should teachers, many older with health conditions, have to risk their lives by cramming in to overcrowded classrooms? I guarantee most teachers would rather be in the classroom teaching. Your outrage is sorely misplaced. Funny, I don’t remember being that physically close to my teachers over the years. They were in front of the classes. We were in desks. Maybe we did it differently back in Idaho.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 15, 2020 19:35:10 GMT -8
When should they go back, you obviously agree with the all or nothing approach. You also didn’t evidently comprehend the options related to dealing with at risk teachers and classroom sizes. Why can countries in Europe and many states in this country do all or some of it and Oregon can’t even attempt to do any of it because of some arbitrary statistics a politician set. It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain. I’m really curious as to your thoughts as to when they go back because the virus is not going away anytime soon half the people won’t get the vaccine when its developed and it may not be effective for yearsssss. What’s the plan. I’m not outraged I’m quite disgusted that there has been no effort to try and something other than full time online classes and waiting on a statistic to be cleared There’s no evidence they are more likely to get it in school than running around the neighborhood street parties and trips to the grocery store. Also how many teachers in Oregon have ever been fired for poor performance Maybe when the US figures out how to get this thing under control they can do what other countries are doing; so far we're failing, as in F. And why do you assume distance learning is ineffective? It's been done for many, many years with very good results. My son took high school classes on line and he did just fine with it. If there is an effective alternative why put lives at risk? (It’s a fair question that any balanced person could at least entertain.) Lastly, teachers do get fired for performance issues all the time; I've seen it in my childrens' schools as well as where my wife has taught. For legal reasons it tends to not get publicized much so you're not likely to hear about it. You should read more. Europe is no great shakes.
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