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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2020 9:08:47 GMT -8
Immediately, if not sooner. They must cave by the end of the week. Delaying on August 11th made sense with the slow testing at the time. The situation has changed, though, and the Pac-12 needs to change with it. Adapt or die. Otherwise, everyone is going to start lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks. Larry Scott was quoted on ESPN, that mid-November would be the very earliest that the season could start. That will most likely eliminate the Pac 12 from any consideration for the playoff. I do not believe that your statement is accurate. I believe that ESPN talked to "someone" at the Pac-12 offices, who said that mid-November was the earliest that that could happen. I don't believe that Larry Scott has gone on the record one way or the other. That mid-November is based on twin statements that it will require two weeks to train the schools how to use the quick tests and that the coaches may require six weeks to get ready, which would be November 14th. But I don't know, if anyone has seriously asked the coaches. I have read reports that Chip Kelly has been training his players in groups of 12 or less 12 hours a week during this whole thing at UCLA. The six California and Oregon schools seem to be the problem children at this point.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 16, 2020 9:10:54 GMT -8
Larry Scott was quoted on ESPN, that mid-November would be the very earliest that the season could start. That will most likely eliminate the Pac 12 from any consideration for the playoff. I do not believe that your statement is accurate. I believe that ESPN talked to "someone" at the Pac-12 offices, who said that mid-November was the earliest that that could happen. I don't believe that Larry Scott has gone on the record one way or the other. That mid-November is based on twin statements that it will require two weeks to train the schools how to use the quick tests and that the coaches may require six weeks to get ready, which would be November 14th. But I don't know, if anyone has seriously asked the coaches. I have read reports that Chip Kelly has been training his players in groups of 12 or less 12 hours a week during this whole thing at UCLA. The six California and Oregon schools seem to be the problem children at this point. Larry ScottHe's directly quoted here, so maybe you should reconsider your statement.
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Post by beavs6 on Sept 16, 2020 9:11:45 GMT -8
We could argue until the cows come home over which metric is most appropriate to determine who has handled this $hitshow the best, but regardless, there is one key piece of data missing from any analysis of whether schools should reopen; how many additional outbreaks/illnesses/deaths will there be because of in person learning. It’s too early to say, but if the colleges that have opened so far are any sort of indicator it doesn’t look good (I know – totally different animal, but it’s still many young people gathering together in one place). When is the right time to open – no one knows that. But while there is a viable option, albeit not perfect, it makes sense to exercise caution when people’s lives are at stake. Yes, there is a social and economic cost, but how do you weigh that cost against people’s lives? I think maybe the people with the most knowledge of the issues, the people closest to the situation, should be trusted to make that decision. Another key piece of data is how many suicides, child abuse, child malnutrition, mental illness, loss of education, loss of social maturation etc is experienced.(especially by the less fortunate and under served parta of our community) I'm not downplaying your concerns, as they are real. To state that they are the 1 key piece of info...well that's from your point of view and opinion. It's why this is such a difficult decision.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2020 9:12:40 GMT -8
Immediately, if not sooner. They must cave by the end of the week. Delaying on August 11th made sense with the slow testing at the time. The situation has changed, though, and the Pac-12 needs to change with it. Adapt or die. Otherwise, everyone is going to start lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks. Although I was originally in favor of what the Pac 12 did I think I would agree with you wilky. Reading about the precautions the Big 10 is taking gives me more confidence. Playing is one thing, but what about fans in the stands? Which way would that go? Is 20% attendance a good threshold and who gets the golden ticket(s)? I believe that Oregon State would do an assessment about how many people Reser can safely hold. I am guessing 12,000 or fewer. Your guess is as good as mine about, who gets the golden tickets. I would be curious about the demand. I know that the Chiefs were having problems selling tickets, because some fans were worried about safety.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2020 9:14:27 GMT -8
I do not believe that your statement is accurate. I believe that ESPN talked to "someone" at the Pac-12 offices, who said that mid-November was the earliest that that could happen. I don't believe that Larry Scott has gone on the record one way or the other. That mid-November is based on twin statements that it will require two weeks to train the schools how to use the quick tests and that the coaches may require six weeks to get ready, which would be November 14th. But I don't know, if anyone has seriously asked the coaches. I have read reports that Chip Kelly has been training his players in groups of 12 or less 12 hours a week during this whole thing at UCLA. The six California and Oregon schools seem to be the problem children at this point. Larry ScottHe's directly quoted here, so maybe you should reconsider your statement. Did you read the article? No, that does not contradict me. He's directly quoted in that article, but not to support what you said that he said earlier. The mid-November date comes from Heather D at ESPN. She says that an unnamed source somehow associated with the Pac-12 (allegedly) made the statement but not Larry Scott. Basically, Heather D called a janitor, who services the Pac-12 facilities, and then she had something to write about.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 16, 2020 9:14:48 GMT -8
WE NEED TO START FOOTBALL NOW!
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 16, 2020 9:17:36 GMT -8
Larry ScottHe's directly quoted here, so maybe you should reconsider your statement. Did you read the article? No, that does not contradict me. He's directly quoted in that article, but not to support what you said that he said earlier. The mid-November date comes from Heather D at ESPN. She says that an unnamed source somehow associated with the Pac-12 (allegedly) made the statement but not Larry Scott. Basically, Heather D called a janitor, who services the Pac-12 facilities, and then she had something to write about. Yea, I'm sure he's letting other people from the Pac 12 spread vicious rumors....
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Post by Beavcat on Sept 16, 2020 9:33:40 GMT -8
We could argue until the cows come home over which metric is most appropriate to determine who has handled this $hitshow the best, but regardless, there is one key piece of data missing from any analysis of whether schools should reopen; how many additional outbreaks/illnesses/deaths will there be because of in person learning. It’s too early to say, but if the colleges that have opened so far are any sort of indicator it doesn’t look good (I know – totally different animal, but it’s still many young people gathering together in one place). When is the right time to open – no one knows that. But while there is a viable option, albeit not perfect, it makes sense to exercise caution when people’s lives are at stake. Yes, there is a social and economic cost, but how do you weigh that cost against people’s lives? I think maybe the people with the most knowledge of the issues, the people closest to the situation, should be trusted to make that decision. Another key piece of data is how many suicides, child abuse, child malnutrition, mental illness, loss of education, loss of social maturation etc is experienced.(especially by the less fortunate and under served parta of our community) I'm not downplaying your concerns, as they are real. To state that they are the 1 key piece of info...well that's from your point of view and opinion. It's why this is such a difficult decision. Absolutely agree, and to be fair I did go on to say there is a social and economic cost. Unfortunately those data points will be much harder to quantify.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2020 13:11:27 GMT -8
Did you read the article? No, that does not contradict me. He's directly quoted in that article, but not to support what you said that he said earlier. The mid-November date comes from Heather D at ESPN. She says that an unnamed source somehow associated with the Pac-12 (allegedly) made the statement but not Larry Scott. Basically, Heather D called a janitor, who services the Pac-12 facilities, and then she had something to write about. Yea, I'm sure he's letting other people from the Pac 12 spread vicious rumors.... I'm sure that Larry Scott is running a super tight ship. Also, a rule of thumb is that, when you read "unnamed source," 99% of the time it means that the reporter is making it up.
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Post by beaveragain on Sept 16, 2020 13:22:36 GMT -8
"Also, a rule of thumb is that, when you read "unnamed source," 99% of the time it means that the reporter is making it up" No, they almost never make it up, and when they do and get found out they get fired. News people can be wrong, but calling it fake news is the the way all dictators manage to end democracy's. I like living in a democracy, so please don't say stuff like that.
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 16, 2020 13:34:40 GMT -8
Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out how to get Larry Scott on the phone with Gavin Newsom?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2020 13:43:12 GMT -8
Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out how to get Larry Scott on the phone with Gavin Newsom? You have to get them off of golf courses first.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 16, 2020 14:10:21 GMT -8
Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out how to get Larry Scott on the phone with Gavin Newsom? You have to get them off of golf courses first. We could get Larry Scott and James Newson on the phone. They both played football here. Is that close enough?
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 16, 2020 14:15:10 GMT -8
Crawling out of the rabbit hole... Now that the Big 10 is playing how long until the PAC12 reverses course? Immediately, if not sooner. They must cave by the end of the week. Delaying on August 11th made sense with the slow testing at the time. The situation has changed, though, and the Pac-12 needs to change with it. Adapt or die. Otherwise, everyone is going to start lighting torches and grabbing pitchforks. I agree. A solution was realized through rapid testing. I would feel even better if they got those proximity sensors like the NFL has!!! a dude tests positive and everybody the chip says was withing X feet of him is put on the testing/quarantine list! They have to go. the pressure is on, and their is a viable path now.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 16, 2020 14:55:12 GMT -8
"Also, a rule of thumb is that, when you read "unnamed source," 99% of the time it means that the reporter is making it up" No, they almost never make it up, and when they do and get found out they get fired. News people can be wrong, but calling it fake news is the the way all dictators manage to end democracy's. I like living in a democracy, so please don't say stuff like that. I have a bridge that you may be interested in. It's a beautiful bridge. Link.
Please identify all of the news people that got fired over the reporting on Covington Catholic. Please identify all of the news people that got fired over the reporting on Jussie Smollett. This Intercept article provides a good rundown of 20 times between the 2016 election and January 2019 that the media got it wrong and the times that Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff and Democratic Senators have joined in and fanned the flames of nonsense. (And they threw in Rachel Maddow's tax return debacle for fun!) By my count, only two mention any repercussions to the false reporting. Dictators end democracies by ending democracies. They silence the news by taking over the news and passing of their news as that news. I am no dictator, and I am telling you that a lot of the nonsense in what is commonly called the mainstream news is fake, inflammatory and just plain wrong. Real news includes verifiable sources, names, dates, recordings, things in writing, etc. It does not include an unnamed source somehow tangentially related to someone, who might actually know something. I love living in a democracy. But a democracy dies, when we cannot all agree on the truth. The constant nonsense coming from the mainstream "media" does not aid in the ability to arrive at anything remotely true. To put another way, if the media continues to cry wolf, when there is no wolf, none of us on the other side will be in a position to help you, when the wolf actually appears. To put still another way, there are several fires burning across the West and a hurricane inching its way over the Southeast, but what is the "news" reporting on? If you is anything other than fires and hurricanes, I would posit that you are not watching news. You are watching something else entirely. I am taking the outlandish position that, if this democracy is to survive, we all must demand a better and more accountable media, one that will actually report on newsworthy events, rather than flat out making stuff up. Please join me.
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