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Post by gowenbeavs on Oct 10, 2021 5:51:36 GMT -8
We didn't have one - They did
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Post by badwack on Oct 10, 2021 6:04:39 GMT -8
That and we didn't have any pass D.
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Post by seastape on Oct 10, 2021 7:39:52 GMT -8
The whole D failed in the second half. It seemed like every single pass play their WRs were finding the seams perfectly. Lots of guys open by 5 yards or more. And then their runs were being called at the right time.
Flat out out-coached in the second half, especially when we were on D.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 10, 2021 7:43:19 GMT -8
WSU's fortunes changed when they went to the empty backfield. It's almost like their coaches decided since the Beaver's seem to be one of the worst third and long teams in the country, they should play every play like it's third and long.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 10, 2021 7:58:16 GMT -8
That and we didn't have any pass D. But that was based on zero pass rush. Any QB at this level will find an open guy in a spread formation, with zero pass rush. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 10, 2021 8:22:20 GMT -8
That and we didn't have any pass D. But that was based on zero pass rush. Any QB at this level will find an open guy in a spread formation, with zero pass rush. Agreed. The pass rush is still the main issue. We got a sack one time on a blitz, but every other time we blitzed, we got burned. Got to be able to get some pressure with 3-4 guys. I would have liked to see us play some press coverage on their WR’s, but that is difficult with all of the crossing routes and pick routes that they run. |
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Post by grackle on Oct 10, 2021 9:05:57 GMT -8
Does our DC even know what a decent blitz package is?? My lord, between the game-long, impotent three man pass rush and the flat out vanilla blitzes that he did use occasionally, Tibesar was practically begging WSU to throw successfully all game long. The result: a tired defense that couldn't even stop the rush in the second half.
Our 3rd down defense?? No comment needed here.
And once again, little or no meaningful in-game defensive adjustments.
Tibesar is among the least knowledgeable and most ineffective DCs I've ever seen. Off-season, JS' first priority must be to find a competent and creative defensive coordinator.
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 10, 2021 9:16:01 GMT -8
Does our DC even know what a decent blitz package is?? My lord, between the game-long, impotent three man pass rush and the flat out vanilla blitzes that he did use occasionally, Tibesar was practically begging WSU to throw successfully all game long. The result: a tired defense that couldn't even stop the rush in the second half. Our 3rd down defense?? No comment needed here. And once again, little or no meaningful in-game defensive adjustments. Tibesar is among the least knowledgeable and most ineffective DCs I've ever seen. Off-season, JS' first priority must be to find a competent defensive coordinator. What I don’t get is how this team goes from having solid success defensively against UW and USC to completely unable to stop WSU. That seems to insinuate some deep seeded issues with coaching, inability to be adaptable (on the field and in the booth) or a one dimensional defensive approach that lacks the talent or scheme to handle differing offensive sets. This kind of pendulum swing of success one game to utter disaster the next is a concerning attribute. |
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Post by billsaab on Oct 10, 2021 9:45:39 GMT -8
Their 5 wide crosses pick off defenders. They get away with a lot. Even with them scoring 31. We got down to 5 and bobble a pass they intercept. 7 points lost. We intercept ball in End zone. A clear 100 yard return but he steps on sideline. 7 possible points lost. We end up sadly 4 th down and 19 at the 23 yard line. A pass to Lowe that he stopped to catch. He runs to the 7 or 8 before He is downed at 5. We are a short one yard. Again 7 points lost. Our fake punt. Dumb call short field. That too cost us 7. A game hinges on three or 4 plays. That sums it up. They will be hard for others to handle too. By the way usc lost to Utah 42-26. Utah is as good as we are. We will have to finish drives and make plays to beat them.
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Post by beaver94 on Oct 10, 2021 9:45:55 GMT -8
Does our DC even know what a decent blitz package is?? My lord, between the game-long, impotent three man pass rush and the flat out vanilla blitzes that he did use occasionally, Tibesar was practically begging WSU to throw successfully all game long. The result: a tired defense that couldn't even stop the rush in the second half. Our 3rd down defense?? No comment needed here. And once again, little or no meaningful in-game defensive adjustments. Tibesar is among the least knowledgeable and most ineffective DCs I've ever seen. Off-season, JS' first priority must be to find a competent defensive coordinator. What I don’t get is how this team goes from having solid success defensively against UW and USC to completely unable to stop WSU. That seems to insinuate some deep seeded issues with coaching, inability to be adaptable (on the field and in the booth) or a one dimensional defensive approach that lacks the talent or scheme to handle differing offensive sets. This kind of pendulum swing of success one game to utter disaster the next is a concerning attribute. I thought the defense did a pretty good job stopping them in the first half. Played well enough to hold them to 3 first half points. Unfortunately the offense wasn’t able to capitalize and build a bigger lead. Second half they seemed to run out of steam. |
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Post by osulewdog on Oct 10, 2021 9:52:59 GMT -8
The pass rush is only part of the problem. Unless the back of the end zone forced them closer, our safeties were 15 yards the whole game. WTF. No wonder the middle of the field was consistently open, This is on the DC
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Post by speakthetruth on Oct 10, 2021 10:01:02 GMT -8
I haven't played football since high school but if I had the time to throw like the WSU QB had I too could complete a pass or two. Throw in our DBs standing 10 to 15 yards off the line well you just gave De Lauro a personal best. Congrats DC.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 10, 2021 22:30:25 GMT -8
Their 5 wide crosses pick off defenders. They get away with a lot. Even with them scoring 31. We got down to 5 and bobble a pass they intercept. 7 points lost. We intercept ball in End zone. A clear 100 yard return but he steps on sideline. 7 possible points lost. We end up sadly 4 th down and 19 at the 23 yard line. A pass to Lowe that he stopped to catch. He runs to the 7 or 8 before He is downed at 5. We are a short one yard. Again 7 points lost. Our fake punt. Dumb call short field. That too cost us 7. A game hinges on three or 4 plays. That sums it up. They will be hard for others to handle too. By the way usc lost to Utah 42-26. Utah is as good as we are. We will have to finish drives and make plays to beat them. Wazzu's last touchdown was a good example. Travell Harris interfered with Avery Roberts, which sprung Deon McIntosh for the touchdown. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 11, 2021 9:28:10 GMT -8
We didn't have one - They did Most of us ID'd that DL as the weak link in the preseason... I think they have played generally better than I thought they would, but our weakness really did get exposed there. A lot of people mad that "adjustments" didn't happen. I am not sure how you adjust to a DL that can't get pressure. Easy to say blitz, hard to do with 5 people in a pattern every snap of the second half. I am a little more in the camp of still a bit of a Jimmy and Joe issue there instead of an X and O. WSU went wide and vertical in the second half and 4 guys against 5 OL couldn't make the WSU guy break a sweat. ALL of that said, this D did hold them to 3 first half points and all we carried to the locker room was a 7 point lead. This is a big reason that I am pointing a lot of blame towards Nolan. he ended the half with about 54 passing yards and an INT with sub 50% passing. We go in the locker room with a 21-3 lead like we should of it is a different story also. Lots of points in this game and it is a different story. |
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Post by ag87 on Oct 11, 2021 10:50:50 GMT -8
The offense is way ahead of the defense. Our defense is especially susceptible to being spread out as WSU did. Part of the offense's job is to protect the defense. I don't want to give the strength of our team grief, but that's where they failed. As a gag analogy, the coaches wanted to make the game look like they wanted, as opposed to what the strengths are and what was best for winning. We run more, attack the perimeter with fly sweeps, qb runs, and student body left/right, OSU wins 31-17.
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