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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 24, 2022 21:05:04 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 24, 2022 21:49:05 GMT -8
Ha! I'm disingenuous when you are mix and matching regular season and tourney. Tourney result is not a good measurement of coaching ability.
Obviously you are happy to suck for another 30 years. Im more interested in having a coach that can win and a bigger budget.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 24, 2022 22:17:01 GMT -8
Ha! I'm disingenuous when you are mix and matching regular season and tourney. Tourney result is not a good measurement of coaching ability. Obviously you are happy to suck for another 30 years. Im more interested in having a coach that can win and a bigger budget. So you're willing to throw a bigger budget at anyone but the only guy that's had any real success here in 30 years? |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 24, 2022 22:18:35 GMT -8
Ha! I'm disingenuous when you are mix and matching regular season and tourney. Tourney result is not a good measurement of coaching ability. Obviously you are happy to suck for another 30 years. Im more interested in having a coach that can win and a bigger budget. So you're willing to throw a bigger budget at anyone but the only guy that's had any real success here in 30 years? No I'm willing to throw a bigger budget at a coach who can get us in the top half of the conference annually. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 25, 2022 0:26:53 GMT -8
So you're willing to throw a bigger budget at anyone but the only guy that's had any real success here in 30 years? No I'm willing to throw a bigger budget at a coach who can get us in the top half of the conference annually. Chicken or the egg. Do you hamstring any coach, present and future, by expecting the top half annual performance before the bigger recruiting and program budgets are given, or do you give the one coach in 30 years who has somewhat performed the program support to have a shot at staying in the top half annually? We're not talking head coaching salaries, were talking recruiting budgets and support staff and such that match those who are performing in the top half regularly. The program has been run on the cheap compared to it's peers for a long time. Do you blame Tinkle for that or the AD? |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2022 6:44:56 GMT -8
No I'm willing to throw a bigger budget at a coach who can get us in the top half of the conference annually. Chicken or the egg. Do you hamstring any coach, present and future, by expecting the top half annual performance before the bigger recruiting and program budgets are given, or do you give the one coach in 30 years who has somewhat performed the program support to have a shot at staying in the top half annually? We're not talking head coaching salaries, were talking recruiting budgets and support staff and such that match those who are performing in the top half regularly. The program has been run on the cheap compared to it's peers for a long time. Do you blame Tinkle for that or the AD? AD. I blame Tinkle for performance, player retention, lack of culture and inconsistency. |
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Post by beaverology on Dec 25, 2022 10:57:15 GMT -8
Nuke:
From 1991 thru 2014, there were a total of 2 winning seasons with MBB in Corvallis. WT has had 5. "Doesn't matter"
From 1991 thru 2014, there were zero NCAA tournament appearances. WT teams have gone twice. "Doesn't matter"
Beavs had never won the Pac12 tournament. WT team did that. "Doesn't matter"
Under WT, Beavs have a winning record in NCAA tournament. "Doesn't matter"
Before WT, Beavs hadn't won a NCAA tournament game in 40 years. "Doesn't matter"
If UW can have a 5 win season and Iowa State can have a 2 win season, OSU can definitely have a 3 win season.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2022 11:40:38 GMT -8
Nuke: From 1991 thru 2014, there were a total of 2 winning seasons with MBB in Corvallis. WT has had 5. "Doesn't matter" From 1991 thru 2014, there were zero NCAA tournament appearances. WT teams have gone twice. "Doesn't matter" Beavs had never won the Pac12 tournament. WT team did that. "Doesn't matter" Under WT, Beavs have a winning record in NCAA tournament. "Doesn't matter" Before WT, Beavs hadn't won a NCAA tournament game in 40 years. "Doesn't matter" If UW can have a 5 win season and Iowa State can have a 2 win season, OSU can definitely have a 3 win season. If you think that's acceptable then I'm glad you are happy. I'm not and I dont see any convincing reason WT will get us to the top third of the conference consistently. Sucking in the past isn't a good reason to put a ceiling on the program. In the current college basketball world you either become a strong culture of development or you recruit super talents on the regular. I don't see WT doing either of those. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 25, 2022 12:06:49 GMT -8
For information sake I just found an article with the 20-21 basketball budgets for every school. As it turns out, the Pac 12 spent the least (on average) on basketball of the big 6 schools. OSU had the lowest budget of the Pac 12 schools. The Pac 12 schools that are typically getting in that top third of the conference that nuke wants were spending near double on basketball that particular season.. it’ll be interesting to see what post Covid budgets look like, apparently it was a low spending year that year. www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-budgets-2022 |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2022 13:00:45 GMT -8
For information sake I just found an article with the 20-21 basketball budgets for every school. As it turns out, the Pac 12 spent the least (on average) on basketball of the big 6 schools. OSU had the lowest budget of the Pac 12 schools. The Pac 12 schools that are typically getting in that top third of the conference that nuke wants were spending near double on basketball that particular season.. it’ll be interesting to see what post Covid budgets look like, apparently it was a low spending year that year. www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-budgets-2022 With the extension Tinkle is getting like 2.5-3 million a year. That's more than Hurley at Arizona State who has 1.5 million more on their recruiting budget. Over the basically the same span Hurley has gone 15, 15, 20, 23, 20, 11, 14, and is 11-1 on this season....so if we're 1.5 million in recruiting budget lower and our coach is higher value yeah we should probably go ahead and allocate that. Weird that Tinkle gets paid better for 116-136 vs 129-101 for Hurley. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 25, 2022 13:17:02 GMT -8
Those 2 bad years put Tinkle's record 47 games in the hole. Overall record is not necessarily all one should look at when judging a coach.
Interestingly enough, Hurley inherited a team that had been to the NCAAs twice and the NIT 4 times under the previous coach, and turned it into a team that hasn't gone tourney-ing any more than Tinkle has at OSU.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2022 13:27:39 GMT -8
What does he do well? What are his coaching qualities that will lead to lasting success?
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Post by beaverology on Dec 25, 2022 16:23:21 GMT -8
What decent coach wants to commit 'career suicide' by taking the Beaver MBB job? Look how it worked out for Jimmy, Eddie, Ritchie, Jay, Craig and WT. Any coach who can read the room would run the other way. After the Beavs fired Craig Robinson back in 2014, I think WT was the only one foolish enough to complete the interview process and take the job.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 25, 2022 16:26:39 GMT -8
Things changed in 2017 with Scott Barnes. Athletic funding, booster engagement and alum engagement is trending up. It might not be the same.
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Post by beaverology on Dec 25, 2022 16:30:02 GMT -8
MBB is a non-revenue producing sport. How much are they supposed to dump into it? The easy part is firing WT. No problem. The hard part is finding a HC who can win the way some here expect. Not sure if it can be realistically be done.
Winning season
Make the NCAA every other year
Winning Pac12 conference record every year
Recruit 4 and 5 star kids
Good luck!
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