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Post by beaver94 on Feb 6, 2023 16:04:25 GMT -8
I can agree there should absolutely be a well thought out very detailed plan before thinking about letting Tinks go. But I definitely think such a plan needs to be getting in the works the way this is going. "The way this is going." What did you expect this year? Last year was an abysmal year. I think we can all agree on that. I'd even imagine some plans must be in the works for what to do in the future. Tinkle was retained after last year wether it was because of his contract, some grace from the Elite 8 appearance, or a combination of both. The team was pretty much blown up and is brand new this year. Did anyone really not expect a team like Arizona to have their way with these young players? I'd imagine if their isn't an improvement in record after next year, Tinkle will be gone. I just don't see it happening this year unless something crazy happens between now and the end of the year. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 6, 2023 16:16:48 GMT -8
Yeah it may not be yet. Maybe he gets another season. But I mean this is a plan that can start in its process now and be ready to roll if things happen like people transferring, more bad losses, lack of improvement, etc. I'm not basing my opinion on the debacle vs Arizona.
I don't give him a pass this year overall, just because he had no clue what he was doing (and I still don't know) last year. That's on him. I've documented several inexcusable things under his "leadership" he failed to address and rectify all last season. I'm willing to wait to the end of this year before declaring what is best for this program. I still believe has no one to blame but himself for the spot he's in now and especially the low mark he "led" the program to last season.
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Post by irimi on Feb 6, 2023 16:47:25 GMT -8
In all seriousness why does tinkle get free passes for another couple years? He is being treated as if he is a new coach taking over for the past coach. Yep won one league game last year and has won three this year. Hell maybe he can win four. It still means the record sucks. I know he has guaranteed money but my god we should expect more from a guy that's been here 9 years not one year. You play the hand that you are dealt, even if you are the dealer. Tinkle gets no free passes, but we need to see improvement. And we see improvement. One side says that there needs to be more improvement and faster. And I say that the other side is unrealistic. Ultimately, last year happened. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Last year happened, and this was a rebuild job. Is Tinkle the best guy for it? Absolutely not. Is he the best guy that we can afford, who is a good fit, and would actually work here? Probably. Plus, Barnesy already failed once at Pittsburgh, ruined the program. The Panthers had a string of 16 consecutive postseason appearances, one of the most dominant teams since the early 1970s. 10 losing seasons in 47. Barnesy made one hire, and they sank into the depths. 0-19 in conference in 2017-18. Barnesy quit, and Pittsburgh hired Heather Lyke, who made a Duke assistant, Jeff Capel III, the 16th-highest paid basketball coach in the country. After six consecutive losing seasons, it looks like Capel and Pittsburgh might actually put together a winning season. The chances of doing better are something akin to hitting a bullseye drunk and blindfolded.  We can blindfold Barnesy and see if he can hit a bullseye. I just doubt it. If Barnesy had a history of hiring great basketball coaches, I might be of a different mind. But he doesn't, so I don't. So you're saying that a Japanese kyudo master could lead our team to victory or find us a coach....  |
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Post by irimi on Feb 6, 2023 16:53:33 GMT -8
Yeah it may not be yet. Maybe he gets another season. But I mean this is a plan that can start in its process now and be ready to roll if things happen like people transferring, more bad losses, lack of improvement, etc. I'm not basing my opinion on the debacle vs Arizona. I don't give him a pass this year overall, just because he had no clue what he was doing (and I still don't know) last year. That's on him. I've documented several inexcusable things under his "leadership" he failed to address and rectify all last season. I'm willing to wait to the end of this year before declaring what is best for this program. I still believe has no one to blame but himself for the spot he's in now and especially the low mark he "led" the program to last season. Oh he will definitely get another year. And I'm all for that. But next year's team had better put up a decent showing. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 6, 2023 18:44:04 GMT -8
I really do think CR got a lot more talent in here than Jay John did for the most part. I also agree Tinkle has done more in some big time specific instances (obviously) than CR ever did. So why is it so unreasonable to think the next guy could do better than Tinkle? I don't think rehashing things all the way back to the friggin 90's is the reason to not strive to get someone better. The portal and our recent ncaa berths should mean a better chance of landing someone who can be better overall. Maybe even someone who can have a watchable offense (sorry couldn't resist on that last part lol). Just something to think about.... Bingo! I would add the much improved attitude and commitment to athletics by the administration now that at times in the past had been sorely lacking. |
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Post by ag87 on Feb 7, 2023 4:30:23 GMT -8
Yeah it may not be yet. Maybe he gets another season. But I mean this is a plan that can start in its process now and be ready to roll if things happen like people transferring, more bad losses, lack of improvement, etc. I'm not basing my opinion on the debacle vs Arizona. I don't give him a pass this year overall, just because he had no clue what he was doing (and I still don't know) last year. That's on him. I've documented several inexcusable things under his "leadership" he failed to address and rectify all last season. I'm willing to wait to the end of this year before declaring what is best for this program. I still believe has no one to blame but himself for the spot he's in now and especially the low mark he "led" the program to last season. I'd like to hear more about last year. If I remember correctly, you mostly hinted at several things last season. This season is going as expected due to the roster. Obviously the coaching staff is responsible for that roster. Last years roster had the three transfers; Davis, Williams from Minn and MaloneKey from Farleigh. I think the problem (s?) were Davis and Williams. But I'm only guessing. In retrospect I believe we could have been around 500 without those transfers if injuries did not help derail everything. A rotation of Lucas, Alatishe, Calloo, Silva, Rand, Andela, Hunt, Akanno and Taylor would have been ok. I don't think Tinkle is a great coach and I don't think he is terrible. I've written before that I think he is in the 50's if you look at the 75 or so P6 teams. I also believe our basketball budget is no higher than that and probably near the bottom. It's sad to say but if we want OSU to be better we need to up our player salary pool somewhere in the 30's. I don't know how that is done in this most modern NIL world (where it's not really NIL but just under the table payments that are now semi-above the table.) |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 7, 2023 9:51:12 GMT -8
I found it kind of amusing during the last couple of years of CRs time at OSU when he would talk about his plan for creating a winning program, of course when he was asked what that plan might be, he refused to share it.
Anyone can have a "plan" for success, executing it is the hard part.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 7, 2023 12:50:14 GMT -8
I found it kind of amusing during the last couple of years of CRs time at OSU when he would talk about his plan for creating a winning program, of course when he was asked what that plan might be, he refused to share it. Anyone can have a "plan" for success, executing it is the hard part. Yeah, I still remember hearing about Richard Nixon and his "Secret Plan" to end the Vietnam War. Thing is, he didn't even have a plan, other to sabotage a probable peace plan by going behind Lyndon Johnson's back just before the 1968 election. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 8, 2023 19:14:57 GMT -8
I found it kind of amusing during the last couple of years of CRs time at OSU when he would talk about his plan for creating a winning program, of course when he was asked what that plan might be, he refused to share it. Anyone can have a "plan" for success, executing it is the hard part. Yeah, I still remember hearing about Richard Nixon and his "Secret Plan" to end the Vietnam War. Thing is, he didn't even have a plan, other to sabotage a probable peace plan by going behind Lyndon Johnson's back just before the 1968 election. Dick was a baller though. LBJ had too much trouble creating his own shot, and could only go left. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 8, 2023 20:23:52 GMT -8
Yeah, I still remember hearing about Richard Nixon and his "Secret Plan" to end the Vietnam War. Thing is, he didn't even have a plan, other to sabotage a probable peace plan by going behind Lyndon Johnson's back just before the 1968 election. Dick was a baller though. LBJ had too much trouble creating his own shot, and could only go left. LBJ was a catcher.  Dick played basketball, and also enthusiastically played football............poorly.  |
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