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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 18, 2023 17:02:59 GMT -8
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Post by ftd on Dec 18, 2023 17:12:07 GMT -8
and they still don't have an acceptable design...Too high? not allowed due to airspace issues (Pearson Airpark and PDX). Too low? Barges and industrial companies upstream can't pass....Lift bridge? HOLY CRAP...that is a big part of the current issue! Tunnel!!!! nope...the output would bypass downtown Vancouver...which creates another issue Trust me.I live in Vancouver...I am 63 and will die of old age before this sucker is resolved! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 18, 2023 17:40:55 GMT -8
and they still don't have an acceptable design...Too high? not allowed due to airspace issues (Pearson Airpark and PDX). Too low? Barges and industrial companies upstream can't pass....Lift bridge? HOLY CRAP...that is a big part of the current issue! Tunnel!!!! nope...the output would bypass downtown Vancouver...which creates another issue Trust me.I live in Vancouver...I am 63 and will die of old age before this sucker is resolved! PDX I can understand but with all due respect, Pearson Air Park shouldn't even be a consideration. Even if they have to decommission it. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 18, 2023 19:56:26 GMT -8
The money has just been reallocated to East Lansing, Michigan.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 19, 2023 9:02:39 GMT -8
At least they will spend it. I was there several months ago and every interstate in Michigan was under some sort of construction.
Unlike Oregon, where I-5 between Salem and the California border essentially looks just the same as it did in the 1970s, when our population was about 1/3 of what it is today. No excuse for there not to be three lanes at least between Salem and Eugene, the 2nd- and 3rd-larzgest cities in the state.
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Post by jefframp on Dec 19, 2023 10:15:10 GMT -8
What's wrong with building a similar structure as the Glenn Jackson Bridge (I-205)? I'm sure there must be a reason.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 19, 2023 10:46:01 GMT -8
What's wrong with building a similar structure as the Glenn Jackson Bridge (I-205)? I'm sure there must be a reason. Light rail Too high for the airports Too low for the Coast Guard |
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Post by ftd on Dec 19, 2023 15:15:23 GMT -8
What's wrong with building a similar structure as the Glenn Jackson Bridge (I-205)? I'm sure there must be a reason. Light rail Too high for the airports Too low for the Coast Guard I was thinking on the 'too high' issue. The current bridges has four towers for the lift system. I can't imagine a new bridge would be anywhere near as the top of the towers...But maybe the rule is different for the overall structure vs any towers (towers are harder to hit as they are smaller) |
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Post by irimi on Dec 21, 2023 9:47:12 GMT -8
We need a Chunnel
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 21, 2023 11:11:35 GMT -8
Not a bad idea. Vancouver complained about it because the north portal would bypass downtown. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 21, 2023 12:38:16 GMT -8
What is the floor of the Columbia made out of? The reason that the Chunnel works for as cheap as it was is that the floor of the Straight of Dover is made out of the same white chalk that is on the nearby cliffs. |
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Post by irimi on Dec 21, 2023 14:34:34 GMT -8
What is the floor of the Columbia made out of? The reason that the Chunnel works for as cheap as it was is that the floor of the Straight of Dover is made out of the same white chalk that is on the nearby cliffs. The Chunnel is also 31 miles long. Are you trying to connect Vancouver to Wilsonville? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 21, 2023 15:27:58 GMT -8
What is the floor of the Columbia made out of? The reason that the Chunnel works for as cheap as it was is that the floor of the Straight of Dover is made out of the same white chalk that is on the nearby cliffs. The Chunnel is also 31 miles long. Are you trying to connect Vancouver to Wilsonville? Well, that would solve the congestion problem at both Jantzen Beach and the Rose Garden!! |
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Post by irimi on Dec 21, 2023 18:28:33 GMT -8
The Chunnel is also 31 miles long. Are you trying to connect Vancouver to Wilsonville? Well, that would solve the congestion problem at both Jantzen Beach and the Rose Garden!! And Wilsonville too, if they did it right. Getting ugly there. |
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Post by rob85 on Dec 22, 2023 13:21:32 GMT -8
Light rail Too high for the airports Too low for the Coast Guard I was thinking on the 'too high' issue. The current bridges has four towers for the lift system. I can't imagine a new bridge would be anywhere near as the top of the towers...But maybe the rule is different for the overall structure vs any towers (towers are harder to hit as they are smaller) Many moons ago when bridge replacement was being discussed, I went to a joint presentation from ODOT and WSDOT. The question of height came up, similar to your post. Their response was that the current bridge towers are far enough south that they don't interfere with the flight path from Pearson. Because light rail can only climbed a certain grade, they have to raise the bed of the freeway to make it possible. Doing so puts it unacceptably close to the flight path of Pearson. I am not an engineer or in any other way competent to comment on the accuracy of what I posted, or my memory for that matter. So have at it. I believe the bridge solution gets much easier if you leave out light rail. That would be my preference, but politicians like it. I am 62 and live in Salmon Creek, so likely I will never have to worry about this. I rarely cross the bridge. |
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