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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 15:34:46 GMT -8
Almost everybody played for OSU in the Las Vegas Bowl just last year. Players are not suddenly bailing because there's too many bowl games. And why would you not want to play Notre Dame? No, in OSU's case this a combination of going for the money (either by hitting the portal or getting ready for a shot at the NFL), looking for another place to play because Smith and some of the staff left and probably worry about not playing in the Pac-12 anymore. Why would you not want to play Notre Dame? Because the game is meaningless. And as you note, there's money to be made elsewhere.
I think you will find that schools without a drastic coaching change also have players jumping into the portal and aiming for the big bucks.
This isn't a new discussion. Folks have been complaining about this for years, but it has become amplified with the portal. And if you look at the top games, no one opts out and no one jumps into the portal before the game. That's my point.
The mere fact that Notre Dame is in said bowl game makes it meaningful to a pretty large chunk of college football fans. And yeah, players. Some people have complained about too many bowl games for quite some time but it's not a legitimate gripe. They make money. The schools get some money for playing in them. Stop complaining and just don't watch if you think the games are meaningless. When I watch the bowl games, the players seem pretty excited about winning. Maybe all those who think the games are meaningless should tell that to the players who do play. As for all of the rest of it, yeah, it sucks that there's so much pull for players to not play. IMO, if you're a healthy player and still on the team, there's no good reason not to play. The possibility of getting hurt to the degree that you lose out on a shot at the NFL is pretty low. I've brought up making extra insurance available to alleviate some of the worry about that.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 26, 2023 16:52:26 GMT -8
Why would you not want to play Notre Dame? Because the game is meaningless. And as you note, there's money to be made elsewhere.
I think you will find that schools without a drastic coaching change also have players jumping into the portal and aiming for the big bucks.
This isn't a new discussion. Folks have been complaining about this for years, but it has become amplified with the portal. And if you look at the top games, no one opts out and no one jumps into the portal before the game. That's my point.
The mere fact that Notre Dame is in said bowl game makes it meaningful to a pretty large chunk of college football fans. And yeah, players. Some people have complained about too many bowl games for quite some time but it's not a legitimate gripe. They make money. The schools get some money for playing in them. Stop complaining and just don't watch if you think the games are meaningless. When I watch the bowl games, the players seem pretty excited about winning. Maybe all those who think the games are meaningless should tell that to the players who do play. As for all of the rest of it, yeah, it sucks that there's so much pull for players to not play. IMO, if you're a healthy player and still on the team, there's no good reason not to play. The possibility of getting hurt to the degree that you lose out on a shot at the NFL is pretty low. I've brought up making extra insurance available to alleviate some of the worry about that. Premiums for those insurance policies are steep in their current format. Unless you’re a first rounder, most of the kids don’t want to pay them. They’d rather opt out than pay for the insurance.
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 17:31:04 GMT -8
The mere fact that Notre Dame is in said bowl game makes it meaningful to a pretty large chunk of college football fans. And yeah, players. Some people have complained about too many bowl games for quite some time but it's not a legitimate gripe. They make money. The schools get some money for playing in them. Stop complaining and just don't watch if you think the games are meaningless. When I watch the bowl games, the players seem pretty excited about winning. Maybe all those who think the games are meaningless should tell that to the players who do play. As for all of the rest of it, yeah, it sucks that there's so much pull for players to not play. IMO, if you're a healthy player and still on the team, there's no good reason not to play. The possibility of getting hurt to the degree that you lose out on a shot at the NFL is pretty low. I've brought up making extra insurance available to alleviate some of the worry about that. Premiums for those insurance policies are steep in their current format. Unless you’re a first rounder, most of the kids don’t want to pay them. They’d rather opt out than pay for the insurance. Maybe the schools or NIL could pay for them. Or the bowl games could provide coverage. Not sure about the rules concerning something like this, though.
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Post by irimi on Dec 26, 2023 17:43:21 GMT -8
Why would you not want to play Notre Dame? Because the game is meaningless. And as you note, there's money to be made elsewhere.
I think you will find that schools without a drastic coaching change also have players jumping into the portal and aiming for the big bucks.
This isn't a new discussion. Folks have been complaining about this for years, but it has become amplified with the portal. And if you look at the top games, no one opts out and no one jumps into the portal before the game. That's my point.
The mere fact that Notre Dame is in said bowl game makes it meaningful to a pretty large chunk of college football fans. And yeah, players. Some people have complained about too many bowl games for quite some time but it's not a legitimate gripe. They make money. The schools get some money for playing in them. Stop complaining and just don't watch if you think the games are meaningless. When I watch the bowl games, the players seem pretty excited about winning. Maybe all those who think the games are meaningless should tell that to the players who do play. As for all of the rest of it, yeah, it sucks that there's so much pull for players to not play. IMO, if you're a healthy player and still on the team, there's no good reason not to play. The possibility of getting hurt to the degree that you lose out on a shot at the NFL is pretty low. I've brought up making extra insurance available to alleviate some of the worry about that. If you think I am complaining, you are mistaken. I am just a fan who sees that the bowl games are being significantly affected by the portal. Without addressing it, this will be the case each year, and that may test the patience and loyalty of fans. I suspect weaker teams that have a good year will be most affected when their star players jump ship for the money. Schools like us that don’t have a lot of depth and where a couple skill players make a huge difference.
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 17:47:20 GMT -8
The mere fact that Notre Dame is in said bowl game makes it meaningful to a pretty large chunk of college football fans. And yeah, players. Some people have complained about too many bowl games for quite some time but it's not a legitimate gripe. They make money. The schools get some money for playing in them. Stop complaining and just don't watch if you think the games are meaningless. When I watch the bowl games, the players seem pretty excited about winning. Maybe all those who think the games are meaningless should tell that to the players who do play. As for all of the rest of it, yeah, it sucks that there's so much pull for players to not play. IMO, if you're a healthy player and still on the team, there's no good reason not to play. The possibility of getting hurt to the degree that you lose out on a shot at the NFL is pretty low. I've brought up making extra insurance available to alleviate some of the worry about that. If you think I am complaining, you are mistaken. I am just a fan who sees that the bowl games are being significantly affected by the portal. Without addressing it, this will be the case each year, and that may test the patience and loyalty of fans. I suspect weaker teams that have a good year will be most affected when their star players jump ship for the money. Schools like us that don’t have a lot of depth and where a couple skill players make a huge difference. Yep, agree 100 percent. And I'm glad you're not among those who complain about all the bowls.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 26, 2023 17:54:44 GMT -8
It seems that paying all games of the season could be written into a NIL deal. I'm not sure how you get around borderline injuries.... just a thought. If you are entering a contract and being paid to play... then require them to play. Just an idea. Again... some just don't get it. The NIL isn't a pay to play contract. It's pay for personal services. You can't pay to play. Second... not every player gets a NIL deal. Schollie players get lots of stuff including stipends allowed by P5 policy. But, schollie doesn't equal NIL. NIL is just what it is: payment for the use of your Name and Image. It's marketing money. A player who plays in a bowl game is worth more to the NIL collective than one who doesn't. It wouldn't be "pay for play" directly. It would be in the contract that your Name and Image are worth more to us if you play in the bowl game. I don't see how the NIL precludes anyone from giving players a bonus for playing in a bowl game.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 26, 2023 17:59:58 GMT -8
Again... some just don't get it. The NIL isn't a pay to play contract. It's pay for personal services. You can't pay to play. Second... not every player gets a NIL deal. Schollie players get lots of stuff including stipends allowed by P5 policy. But, schollie doesn't equal NIL. NIL is just what it is: payment for the use of your Name and Image. It's marketing money. A player who plays in a bowl game is worth more to the NIL collective than one who doesn't. It wouldn't be "pay for play" directly. It would be in the contract that your Name and Image are worth more to us if you play in the bowl game. I don't see how the NIL precludes anyone from giving players a bonus for playing in a bowl game. The rules preclude it. NIL isn't a "bonus", or have bonuses. It's a service contract outside of the playing field and university. It's pay to play as soon as you tie it to playing. And, the OSU NIL coordinator would declare the player ineligible and the NIL would be gone. NIL has zero to do with playing in games as far as what is allowed. If that was allowed you then would see "bonuses" like coaches get... wins, titles, stats, awards, etc. You can tie the value to anything you'd like. But, NIL can't be based on games played.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 26, 2023 18:01:27 GMT -8
The mere fact that Notre Dame is in said bowl game makes it meaningful to a pretty large chunk of college football fans. And yeah, players. Some people have complained about too many bowl games for quite some time but it's not a legitimate gripe. They make money. The schools get some money for playing in them. Stop complaining and just don't watch if you think the games are meaningless. When I watch the bowl games, the players seem pretty excited about winning. Maybe all those who think the games are meaningless should tell that to the players who do play. As for all of the rest of it, yeah, it sucks that there's so much pull for players to not play. IMO, if you're a healthy player and still on the team, there's no good reason not to play. The possibility of getting hurt to the degree that you lose out on a shot at the NFL is pretty low. I've brought up making extra insurance available to alleviate some of the worry about that. If you think I am complaining, you are mistaken. I am just a fan who sees that the bowl games are being significantly affected by the portal. Without addressing it, this will be the case each year, and that may test the patience and loyalty of fans. I suspect weaker teams that have a good year will be most affected when their star players jump ship for the money. Schools like us that don’t have a lot of depth and where a couple skill players make a huge difference. I also see that it's going to affect ratings, to add on to your comment about the patience and loyalty of fans being tested. It's also going to test the interest of casual fans, who don't feel like it's worth tuning in to see all the stars of the team sitting out. I mean... I'm one of them. I just looked on ESPN, there have been 19 bowl games played already, to my absolute shock. I haven't seen a single one, and the first one that looks remotely interesting is Oklahoma-Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. I can't be the only one that feels this way.
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Post by grayman on Dec 26, 2023 18:20:29 GMT -8
If you think I am complaining, you are mistaken. I am just a fan who sees that the bowl games are being significantly affected by the portal. Without addressing it, this will be the case each year, and that may test the patience and loyalty of fans. I suspect weaker teams that have a good year will be most affected when their star players jump ship for the money. Schools like us that don’t have a lot of depth and where a couple skill players make a huge difference. I also see that it's going to affect ratings, to add on to your comment about the patience and loyalty of fans being tested. It's also going to test the interest of casual fans, who don't feel like it's worth tuning in to see all the stars of the team sitting out. I mean... I'm one of them. I just looked on ESPN, there have been 19 bowl games played already, to my absolute shock. I haven't seen a single one, and the first one that looks remotely interesting is Oklahoma-Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. I can't be the only one that feels this way. Yes, but that's just your opinion. Other fans want to watch other games. ESPN gets plenty of viewers and ad revenue for broadcasting the bowls. That's why it has so many of them. If the ratings start to falter because more and more teams begin to lose a big chunk of the starting lineup then things will adjust accordingly.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 26, 2023 21:31:16 GMT -8
If you think I am complaining, you are mistaken. I am just a fan who sees that the bowl games are being significantly affected by the portal. Without addressing it, this will be the case each year, and that may test the patience and loyalty of fans. I suspect weaker teams that have a good year will be most affected when their star players jump ship for the money. Schools like us that don’t have a lot of depth and where a couple skill players make a huge difference. I also see that it's going to affect ratings, to add on to your comment about the patience and loyalty of fans being tested. It's also going to test the interest of casual fans, who don't feel like it's worth tuning in to see all the stars of the team sitting out. I mean... I'm one of them. I just looked on ESPN, there have been 19 bowl games played already, to my absolute shock. I haven't seen a single one, and the first one that looks remotely interesting is Oklahoma-Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. I can't be the only one that feels this way. I think that I have seen parts of eight of the bowls so far. I love bowl season. Usually, the bowls are the most-watched games of the year.
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Post by matt90 on Dec 26, 2023 21:36:30 GMT -8
I think the end result will be the Bowls signing NIL deals directly with the players. Think of it as an enhanced goody bag that they usually pass out. Title sponsor is benefitting greatly from the bowl sponsorship, let them share it with their Ambassadors. They can provide more $$ to key players to ensure their participation.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 26, 2023 21:51:32 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 26, 2023 22:00:39 GMT -8
I think the end result will be the Bowls signing NIL deals directly with the players. Think of it as an enhanced goody bag that they usually pass out. Title sponsor is benefitting greatly from the bowl sponsorship, let them share it with their Ambassadors. They can provide more $$ to key players to ensure their participation. Bowls select teams based on who they think will play. It's already baked in. That is why Notre Dame and Oregon State are in El Paso rather than San Diego in the first place.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 26, 2023 22:24:20 GMT -8
NIL is just what it is: payment for the use of your Name and Image. It's marketing money. A player who plays in a bowl game is worth more to the NIL collective than one who doesn't. It wouldn't be "pay for play" directly. It would be in the contract that your Name and Image are worth more to us if you play in the bowl game. I don't see how the NIL precludes anyone from giving players a bonus for playing in a bowl game. The rules preclude it. NIL isn't a "bonus", or have bonuses. It's a service contract outside of the playing field and university. It's pay to play as soon as you tie it to playing. And, the OSU NIL coordinator would declare the player ineligible and the NIL would be gone. NIL has zero to do with playing in games as far as what is allowed. If that was allowed you then would see "bonuses" like coaches get... wins, titles, stats, awards, etc. You can tie the value to anything you'd like. But, NIL can't be based on games played. But NIL can be based on still being on the team, can't it? You get injured or are redshirted, you're still part of the team. You refuse to participate in practice or play in any remaining games, you've quit the team.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2023 10:45:35 GMT -8
I also see that it's going to affect ratings, to add on to your comment about the patience and loyalty of fans being tested. It's also going to test the interest of casual fans, who don't feel like it's worth tuning in to see all the stars of the team sitting out. I mean... I'm one of them. I just looked on ESPN, there have been 19 bowl games played already, to my absolute shock. I haven't seen a single one, and the first one that looks remotely interesting is Oklahoma-Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. I can't be the only one that feels this way. Yes, but that's just your opinion. Other fans want to watch other games. ESPN gets plenty of viewers and ad revenue for broadcasting the bowls. That's why it has so many of them. If the ratings start to falter because more and more teams begin to lose a big chunk of the starting lineup then things will adjust accordingly. I mean, I think I was pretty clear to state that it was just my opinion. I'm not saying that my opinion is representative of all or even most college football fans. But simple logic dictates that it is probably not a unique data point, and my conjecture is that this is a developing trend. You're free to disagree of course.. but you would be wrong. lol jk I agree with your last sentence, I'm just saying that I think it's more of an "inevitability" and you seem to see it as just a "possiblity".
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