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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 8, 2024 8:05:47 GMT -8
Well, we have no idea what the O coach would do if his situation included: Not having a for sure conference affiliation for the upcoming season An actual schedule, with no guarantee "IF" one emerges in future it will include Power 5 games No guarantee team will keep it's Power 5 status and eligibility for championship/playoff Definitely no chance at a Conference Championship game or regulars season title in foreseeable future At the time, no truthful way to promise current players, assistants, and recruiting prospects everything will be ok. It was not known and given the court battle at the time, the only certainty was an uncertain future in almost all imaginable facets.
I'm not going to convince or even try to convince anyone who's written JS off, to change their mind. I will repeat the facts and circumstances however which preceded his decision as it stands to reason, at least in my view, he's still be here and happy to be here if he thought he could continue to build upon the solid foundation he created. Things look somewhat better now, with a few questions answered, but a couple months back that was far from the case. All this to say, I'd rather spit repeatedly into a head wind than root for the dirty, rotten, college football wrecking, entity south of Corvallis I do believe that the uncertainties and challenges that you mentioned played a significant part in Smith’s decision to bolt, and I have trouble being critical of that. I would have rather seen him screw on the resolve and battle through it with us, but I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been open to leaving for a secure situation were I in his shoes. However, when I consider how he left, with almost no outward expression of nostalgia or regard toward his Alma mater in his exit comments or intro presser at MSU, it just feels different. He seemed less engaged, and our team just looked different down the stretch. In the UA game, his persistence in calling for an idiotic fake was a momentum-wrecker, and in the UW game, it was some head-scratching play-calling on the biggest drive of the season. After that disappointing finish, to not even show up in Eugene was inexcusable. The announcement the following morning shed more light on why our players were in a daze, and a healthy Childs didn’t even suit up. Weird stuff. What I have come to realize is that I assumed that Smith’s history and relationship with OSU was deep and steeped in loyalty. I often scoffed at reports that he was being approached by other P5 programs, just certain that he would only leave here to go to USC (back home in SoCal), Alabama or the NFL, and that wouldn’t happen for years. I see Smith’s connection with us as more transactional. He didn’t “love” OSU, any more than he would have loved New Mexico if they would have been his first stop as a head coach. We were no more than a stepping stone in the path toward feeding his ambition. He ended up jumping on the first bus out of town to try to resurrect an currently troubled program in a tougher conference. If he said he left for a new challenge, how could it get more challenging than what we face? I think that the final straw for me is the way that he has stripped current players and future prospects in this recruiting class from our team in the process. When he left the D-line coach here to recruit from our roster, he showed me that there is not such a gap on the integrity scale between him and most other D1 coaches as I thought. Bray didn’t actually have to have the guy escorted off the premises, but he did have to dismiss him right in the middle of bowl prep. Pretty bush league thing to do to your former D-Coordinator who was willing to step up and try to clean up the mess that began accumulating in the summer of 2022, and became magnified by your exodus. It would be beyond naive to think that Smith didn’t know what the guy was doing in the locker room. Talk about betrayal. At the end of the day, it’s probably on me for making those assumptions about Smith’s ties and motives. I so badly wanted the myth of his commitment and loyalty to OSU to be real, that I took it harder than I should have. I need to appreciate the positive things that he did for us as a player and head coach, and put him out of my mind. You pretty much said exactly how I feel much more eloquently then I ever could. The only thing I can really add is he was always going to use us as a stepping stone, imo......he wants to be HC at bama, or USC, but he was always looking for the next "step up" as soon as he was hired. I think he has a lil bit of Napoleon complex or similar.
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 8, 2024 11:39:42 GMT -8
I do believe that the uncertainties and challenges that you mentioned played a significant part in Smith’s decision to bolt, and I have trouble being critical of that. I would have rather seen him screw on the resolve and battle through it with us, but I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been open to leaving for a secure situation were I in his shoes. However, when I consider how he left, with almost no outward expression of nostalgia or regard toward his Alma mater in his exit comments or intro presser at MSU, it just feels different. He seemed less engaged, and our team just looked different down the stretch. In the UA game, his persistence in calling for an idiotic fake was a momentum-wrecker, and in the UW game, it was some head-scratching play-calling on the biggest drive of the season. After that disappointing finish, to not even show up in Eugene was inexcusable. The announcement the following morning shed more light on why our players were in a daze, and a healthy Childs didn’t even suit up. Weird stuff. What I have come to realize is that I assumed that Smith’s history and relationship with OSU was deep and steeped in loyalty. I often scoffed at reports that he was being approached by other P5 programs, just certain that he would only leave here to go to USC (back home in SoCal), Alabama or the NFL, and that wouldn’t happen for years. I see Smith’s connection with us as more transactional. He didn’t “love” OSU, any more than he would have loved New Mexico if they would have been his first stop as a head coach. We were no more than a stepping stone in the path toward feeding his ambition. He ended up jumping on the first bus out of town to try to resurrect an currently troubled program in a tougher conference. If he said he left for a new challenge, how could it get more challenging than what we face? I think that the final straw for me is the way that he has stripped current players and future prospects in this recruiting class from our team in the process. When he left the D-line coach here to recruit from our roster, he showed me that there is not such a gap on the integrity scale between him and most other D1 coaches as I thought. Bray didn’t actually have to have the guy escorted off the premises, but he did have to dismiss him right in the middle of bowl prep. Pretty bush league thing to do to your former D-Coordinator who was willing to step up and try to clean up the mess that began accumulating in the summer of 2022, and became magnified by your exodus. It would be beyond naive to think that Smith didn’t know what the guy was doing in the locker room. Talk about betrayal. At the end of the day, it’s probably on me for making those assumptions about Smith’s ties and motives. I so badly wanted the myth of his commitment and loyalty to OSU to be real, that I took it harder than I should have. I need to appreciate the positive things that he did for us as a player and head coach, and put him out of my mind. You pretty much said exactly how I feel much more eloquently then I ever could. The only thing I can really add is he was always going to use us as a stepping stone, imo......he wants to be HC at bama, or USC, but he was always looking for the next "step up" as soon as he was hired. I think he has a lil bit of Napoleon complex or similar. I remember seeing Smith in a promotional video - maybe it was the original "Raising Reser" thing, or maybe it was just some look back on OSU football, but I recall him saying when he first got to OSU, he would tell people he played in the Pac-12. Only after the Beavers became successful did he change his comments to "play for Oregon State". That's the quote I keep going back to since his departure. OSU was just the Pac-12 school he went to, nothing more.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 8, 2024 12:14:52 GMT -8
You pretty much said exactly how I feel much more eloquently then I ever could. The only thing I can really add is he was always going to use us as a stepping stone, imo......he wants to be HC at bama, or USC, but he was always looking for the next "step up" as soon as he was hired. I think he has a lil bit of Napoleon complex or similar. I remember seeing Smith in a promotional video - maybe it was the original "Raising Reser" thing, or maybe it was just some look back on OSU football, but I recall him saying when he first got to OSU, he would tell people he played in the Pac-12. Only after the Beavers became successful did he change his comments to "play for Oregon State". That's the quote I keep going back to since his departure. OSU was just the Pac-12 school he went to, nothing more. Interesting, never heard that, but I'm not surprised by it now
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Post by hottubbeaver on Jan 8, 2024 12:17:02 GMT -8
Well, we have no idea what the O coach would do if his situation included: Not having a for sure conference affiliation for the upcoming season An actual schedule, with no guarantee "IF" one emerges in future it will include Power 5 games No guarantee team will keep it's Power 5 status and eligibility for championship/playoff Definitely no chance at a Conference Championship game or regulars season title in foreseeable future At the time, no truthful way to promise current players, assistants, and recruiting prospects everything will be ok. It was not known and given the court battle at the time, the only certainty was an uncertain future in almost all imaginable facets.
I'm not going to convince or even try to convince anyone who's written JS off, to change their mind. I will repeat the facts and circumstances however which preceded his decision as it stands to reason, at least in my view, he's still be here and happy to be here if he thought he could continue to build upon the solid foundation he created. Things look somewhat better now, with a few questions answered, but a couple months back that was far from the case. All this to say, I'd rather spit repeatedly into a head wind than root for the dirty, rotten, college football wrecking, entity south of Corvallis I do believe that the uncertainties and challenges that you mentioned played a significant part in Smith’s decision to bolt, and I have trouble being critical of that. I would have rather seen him screw on the resolve and battle through it with us, but I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been open to leaving for a secure situation were I in his shoes. However, when I consider how he left, with almost no outward expression of nostalgia or regard toward his Alma mater in his exit comments or intro presser at MSU, it just feels different. He seemed less engaged, and our team just looked different down the stretch. In the UA game, his persistence in calling for an idiotic fake was a momentum-wrecker, and in the UW game, it was some head-scratching play-calling on the biggest drive of the season. After that disappointing finish, to not even show up in Eugene was inexcusable. The announcement the following morning shed more light on why our players were in a daze, and a healthy Childs didn’t even suit up. Weird stuff. What I have come to realize is that I assumed that Smith’s history and relationship with OSU was deep and steeped in loyalty. I often scoffed at reports that he was being approached by other P5 programs, just certain that he would only leave here to go to USC (back home in SoCal), Alabama or the NFL, and that wouldn’t happen for years. I see Smith’s connection with us as more transactional. He didn’t “love” OSU, any more than he would have loved New Mexico if they would have been his first stop as a head coach. We were no more than a stepping stone in the path toward feeding his ambition. He ended up jumping on the first bus out of town to try to resurrect an currently troubled program in a tougher conference. If he said he left for a new challenge, how could it get more challenging than what we face? I think that the final straw for me is the way that he has stripped current players and future prospects in this recruiting class from our team in the process. When he left the D-line coach here to recruit from our roster, he showed me that there is not such a gap on the integrity scale between him and most other D1 coaches as I thought. Bray didn’t actually have to have the guy escorted off the premises, but he did have to dismiss him right in the middle of bowl prep. Pretty bush league thing to do to your former D-Coordinator who was willing to step up and try to clean up the mess that began accumulating in the summer of 2022, and became magnified by your exodus. It would be beyond naive to think that Smith didn’t know what the guy was doing in the locker room. Talk about betrayal. At the end of the day, it’s probably on me for making those assumptions about Smith’s ties and motives. I so badly wanted the myth of his commitment and loyalty to OSU to be real, that I took it harder than I should have. I need to appreciate the positive things that he did for us as a player and head coach, and put him out of my mind. My post was not meant to defend any of JS's actions. It only meant to highlight the vivid contrast between the ridiculous comparison to a coach at another school facing no such uncertainty in his programs future, a much deeper NIL pool to work with, among other perks in his favor. Ok, now I will get a bit sidetracked from my original intent and respond to a point you raise. In regard to the lack of emotion/regret or missing sentiments of nostalgia for his alma mater. My guess is, once his decision was made, he was going all in on giving MSU his best shot and also coached by his agent on what and how to communicate at that time. I think JS is a student of history and recognized how many prior coaches have left a successful programs, they later regretted leaving, for a bigger name only to fall on their face. Because of this and his desire to succeed, I think he took another lesson from history and followed Cortes's example of ordering the ships destroyed thus giving no way out other than to succeed. A psychologically brilliant motivator for his troops which proved successful for him.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 8, 2024 12:26:17 GMT -8
I do believe that the uncertainties and challenges that you mentioned played a significant part in Smith’s decision to bolt, and I have trouble being critical of that. I would have rather seen him screw on the resolve and battle through it with us, but I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been open to leaving for a secure situation were I in his shoes. However, when I consider how he left, with almost no outward expression of nostalgia or regard toward his Alma mater in his exit comments or intro presser at MSU, it just feels different. He seemed less engaged, and our team just looked different down the stretch. In the UA game, his persistence in calling for an idiotic fake was a momentum-wrecker, and in the UW game, it was some head-scratching play-calling on the biggest drive of the season. After that disappointing finish, to not even show up in Eugene was inexcusable. The announcement the following morning shed more light on why our players were in a daze, and a healthy Childs didn’t even suit up. Weird stuff. What I have come to realize is that I assumed that Smith’s history and relationship with OSU was deep and steeped in loyalty. I often scoffed at reports that he was being approached by other P5 programs, just certain that he would only leave here to go to USC (back home in SoCal), Alabama or the NFL, and that wouldn’t happen for years. I see Smith’s connection with us as more transactional. He didn’t “love” OSU, any more than he would have loved New Mexico if they would have been his first stop as a head coach. We were no more than a stepping stone in the path toward feeding his ambition. He ended up jumping on the first bus out of town to try to resurrect an currently troubled program in a tougher conference. If he said he left for a new challenge, how could it get more challenging than what we face? I think that the final straw for me is the way that he has stripped current players and future prospects in this recruiting class from our team in the process. When he left the D-line coach here to recruit from our roster, he showed me that there is not such a gap on the integrity scale between him and most other D1 coaches as I thought. Bray didn’t actually have to have the guy escorted off the premises, but he did have to dismiss him right in the middle of bowl prep. Pretty bush league thing to do to your former D-Coordinator who was willing to step up and try to clean up the mess that began accumulating in the summer of 2022, and became magnified by your exodus. It would be beyond naive to think that Smith didn’t know what the guy was doing in the locker room. Talk about betrayal. At the end of the day, it’s probably on me for making those assumptions about Smith’s ties and motives. I so badly wanted the myth of his commitment and loyalty to OSU to be real, that I took it harder than I should have. I need to appreciate the positive things that he did for us as a player and head coach, and put him out of my mind. My post was not meant to defend any of JS's actions. It only meant to highlight the vivid contrast between the ridiculous comparison to a coach at another school facing no such uncertainty in his programs future, a much deeper NIL pool to work with, among other perks in his favor. Ok, now I will get a bit sidetracked from my original intent and respond to a point you raise. In regard to the lack of emotion/regret or missing sentiments of nostalgia for his alma mater. My guess is, once his decision was made, he was going all in on giving MSU his best shot and also coached by his agent on what and how to communicate at that time. I think JS is a student of history and recognized how many prior coaches have left a successful programs, they later regretted leaving, for a bigger name only to fall on their face. Because of this and his desire to succeed, I think he took another lesson from history and followed Cortes's example of ordering the ships destroyed thus giving no way out other than to succeed. A psychologically brilliant motivator for his troops which proved successful for him. Maybe. Or really deep down he is just a TOOL. I'll vote the latter.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 8, 2024 13:33:06 GMT -8
I do believe that the uncertainties and challenges that you mentioned played a significant part in Smith’s decision to bolt, and I have trouble being critical of that. I would have rather seen him screw on the resolve and battle through it with us, but I can’t honestly say that I wouldn’t have been open to leaving for a secure situation were I in his shoes. However, when I consider how he left, with almost no outward expression of nostalgia or regard toward his Alma mater in his exit comments or intro presser at MSU, it just feels different. He seemed less engaged, and our team just looked different down the stretch. In the UA game, his persistence in calling for an idiotic fake was a momentum-wrecker, and in the UW game, it was some head-scratching play-calling on the biggest drive of the season. After that disappointing finish, to not even show up in Eugene was inexcusable. The announcement the following morning shed more light on why our players were in a daze, and a healthy Childs didn’t even suit up. Weird stuff. What I have come to realize is that I assumed that Smith’s history and relationship with OSU was deep and steeped in loyalty. I often scoffed at reports that he was being approached by other P5 programs, just certain that he would only leave here to go to USC (back home in SoCal), Alabama or the NFL, and that wouldn’t happen for years. I see Smith’s connection with us as more transactional. He didn’t “love” OSU, any more than he would have loved New Mexico if they would have been his first stop as a head coach. We were no more than a stepping stone in the path toward feeding his ambition. He ended up jumping on the first bus out of town to try to resurrect an currently troubled program in a tougher conference. If he said he left for a new challenge, how could it get more challenging than what we face? I think that the final straw for me is the way that he has stripped current players and future prospects in this recruiting class from our team in the process. When he left the D-line coach here to recruit from our roster, he showed me that there is not such a gap on the integrity scale between him and most other D1 coaches as I thought. Bray didn’t actually have to have the guy escorted off the premises, but he did have to dismiss him right in the middle of bowl prep. Pretty bush league thing to do to your former D-Coordinator who was willing to step up and try to clean up the mess that began accumulating in the summer of 2022, and became magnified by your exodus. It would be beyond naive to think that Smith didn’t know what the guy was doing in the locker room. Talk about betrayal. At the end of the day, it’s probably on me for making those assumptions about Smith’s ties and motives. I so badly wanted the myth of his commitment and loyalty to OSU to be real, that I took it harder than I should have. I need to appreciate the positive things that he did for us as a player and head coach, and put him out of my mind. My post was not meant to defend any of JS's actions. It only meant to highlight the vivid contrast between the ridiculous comparison to a coach at another school facing no such uncertainty in his programs future, a much deeper NIL pool to work with, among other perks in his favor. Ok, now I will get a bit sidetracked from my original intent and respond to a point you raise. In regard to the lack of emotion/regret or missing sentiments of nostalgia for his alma mater. My guess is, once his decision was made, he was going all in on giving MSU his best shot and also coached by his agent on what and how to communicate at that time. I think JS is a student of history and recognized how many prior coaches have left a successful programs, they later regretted leaving, for a bigger name only to fall on their face. Because of this and his desire to succeed, I think he took another lesson from history and followed Cortes's example of ordering the ships destroyed thus giving no way out other than to succeed. A psychologically brilliant motivator for his troops which proved successful for him. I'll vote... he's the typical coach of his generation that thinks he is better, more inventive than he really is. The dude is the sum of his parts (staff) and hasn't coached a position/technique in forever. If QBs are labeled "game managers", he is the "manager" as a HC. If his staff does not connect with the current roster and recruits he is doomed as he truly has a very "vanilla" (if that) personality and coaching style. His "risk" taking cover as being "aggressive" is just that cover. He is very basic in his approach and arguable his most inventive scheme was due to a player not him. He can thank Jack for much of his notoriety. I never wished him gone, but never found him as the guy who'd get OSU to mid-tier or higher in the P5 scheme. I also do not wish him ill will, but certainly not good luck. I do look forward to seeing MSU fan reaction when his "aggressiveness" leads to bone head losses and his lack of fiery personality finally wears on them.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Jan 8, 2024 16:38:50 GMT -8
My post was not meant to defend any of JS's actions. It only meant to highlight the vivid contrast between the ridiculous comparison to a coach at another school facing no such uncertainty in his programs future, a much deeper NIL pool to work with, among other perks in his favor. Ok, now I will get a bit sidetracked from my original intent and respond to a point you raise. In regard to the lack of emotion/regret or missing sentiments of nostalgia for his alma mater. My guess is, once his decision was made, he was going all in on giving MSU his best shot and also coached by his agent on what and how to communicate at that time. I think JS is a student of history and recognized how many prior coaches have left a successful programs, they later regretted leaving, for a bigger name only to fall on their face. Because of this and his desire to succeed, I think he took another lesson from history and followed Cortes's example of ordering the ships destroyed thus giving no way out other than to succeed. A psychologically brilliant motivator for his troops which proved successful for him. I'll vote... he's the typical coach of his generation that thinks he is better, more inventive than he really is. The dude is the sum of his parts (staff) and hasn't coached a position/technique in forever. If QBs are labeled "game managers", he is the "manager" as a HC. If his staff does not connect with the current roster and recruits he is doomed as he truly has a very "vanilla" (if that) personality and coaching style. His "risk" taking cover as being "aggressive" is just that cover. He is very basic in his approach and arguable his most inventive scheme was due to a player not him. He can thank Jack for much of his notoriety. I never wished him gone, but never found him as the guy who'd get OSU to mid-tier or higher in the P5 scheme. I also do not wish him ill will, but certainly not good luck. I do look forward to seeing MSU fan reaction when his "aggressiveness" leads to bone head losses and his lack of fiery personality finally wears on them. Michigan State is expecting big things from Smith, particularly because Michigan football is having a lot of current success. The want to counter that ASAP. In that context, Smith likely has bitten off more than he can chew. He comes in with a rep, deserved or not, of being something of a miracle worker, and now has more toys to play with than he did here. My bold prediction is that he will stumble around for awhile, and that the level of patience will be fairly low for that. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he has three average seasons to be looking for another job. But he will have his $ to cushion the fall.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 8, 2024 16:39:37 GMT -8
My post was not meant to defend any of JS's actions. It only meant to highlight the vivid contrast between the ridiculous comparison to a coach at another school facing no such uncertainty in his programs future, a much deeper NIL pool to work with, among other perks in his favor. Ok, now I will get a bit sidetracked from my original intent and respond to a point you raise. In regard to the lack of emotion/regret or missing sentiments of nostalgia for his alma mater. My guess is, once his decision was made, he was going all in on giving MSU his best shot and also coached by his agent on what and how to communicate at that time. I think JS is a student of history and recognized how many prior coaches have left a successful programs, they later regretted leaving, for a bigger name only to fall on their face. Because of this and his desire to succeed, I think he took another lesson from history and followed Cortes's example of ordering the ships destroyed thus giving no way out other than to succeed. A psychologically brilliant motivator for his troops which proved successful for him. I'll vote... he's the typical coach of his generation that thinks he is better, more inventive than he really is. The dude is the sum of his parts (staff) and hasn't coached a position/technique in forever. If QBs are labeled "game managers", he is the "manager" as a HC. If his staff does not connect with the current roster and recruits he is doomed as he truly has a very "vanilla" (if that) personality and coaching style. His "risk" taking cover as being "aggressive" is just that cover. He is very basic in his approach and arguable his most inventive scheme was due to a player not him. He can thank Jack for much of his notoriety. I never wished him gone, but never found him as the guy who'd get OSU to mid-tier or higher in the P5 scheme. I also do not wish him ill will, but certainly not good luck. I do look forward to seeing MSU fan reaction when his "aggressiveness" leads to bone head losses and his lack of fiery personality finally wears on them. Interesting take, and one that I do not disagree with. You made me consider the great coaches, and almost all of them have the trait of being enigmatic. Leach is the most extreme version of this example, but Coach Prime, Pete Carroll... all those guys are highly interesting. Smith, not so. More of your unassuming everyman type.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jan 9, 2024 11:00:15 GMT -8
I'll vote... he's the typical coach of his generation that thinks he is better, more inventive than he really is. The dude is the sum of his parts (staff) and hasn't coached a position/technique in forever. If QBs are labeled "game managers", he is the "manager" as a HC. If his staff does not connect with the current roster and recruits he is doomed as he truly has a very "vanilla" (if that) personality and coaching style. His "risk" taking cover as being "aggressive" is just that cover. He is very basic in his approach and arguable his most inventive scheme was due to a player not him. He can thank Jack for much of his notoriety. I never wished him gone, but never found him as the guy who'd get OSU to mid-tier or higher in the P5 scheme. I also do not wish him ill will, but certainly not good luck. I do look forward to seeing MSU fan reaction when his "aggressiveness" leads to bone head losses and his lack of fiery personality finally wears on them. Interesting take, and one that I do not disagree with. You made me consider the great coaches, and almost all of them have the trait of being enigmatic. Leach is the most extreme version of this example, but Coach Prime, Pete Carroll... all those guys are highly interesting. Smith, not so. More of your unassuming everyman type. I always remember wondering how he talks to the guys, and how they perceived him. He's an awkward speaker. Kinda dorky. He's gotten better over time, but you feel the unease exuding from him when he's behind a mic.......but he still built up our program. MSU is in the honeymoon phase. Right now, he comes across as hard-working, no frills, loyal....with a bit of eccentric, maybe lack of social skills, etc......they are lovin it....it's new, and exciting.....let's see how much they love it when he goes 6-6.
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Post by rgeorge on Jan 9, 2024 11:14:35 GMT -8
Interesting take, and one that I do not disagree with. You made me consider the great coaches, and almost all of them have the trait of being enigmatic. Leach is the most extreme version of this example, but Coach Prime, Pete Carroll... all those guys are highly interesting. Smith, not so. More of your unassuming everyman type. I always remember wondering how he talks to the guys, and how they perceived him. He's an awkward speaker. Kinda dorky. He's gotten better over time, but you feel the unease exuding from him when he's behind a mic.......but he still built up our program. MSU is in the honeymoon phase. Right now, he comes across as hard-working, no frills, loyal....with a bit of eccentric, maybe lack of social skills, etc......they are lovin it....it's new, and exciting.....let's see how much they love it when he goes 6-6. If MSU fans see him as loyal they best rethink their stance. If I remember correctly MSU is JS's 7th stop since 2002-2003 stint as OSU grad assistant... OSU, Idaho, Montana, BSU, UW, OSU, MSU. Longest stop is 6 seasons. Not sure he'll get that long in East Lansing cuz their fans will have no loyalty to him if he doesn't win and fairly soon.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2024 11:32:16 GMT -8
Interesting take, and one that I do not disagree with. You made me consider the great coaches, and almost all of them have the trait of being enigmatic. Leach is the most extreme version of this example, but Coach Prime, Pete Carroll... all those guys are highly interesting. Smith, not so. More of your unassuming everyman type. I always remember wondering how he talks to the guys, and how they perceived him. He's an awkward speaker. Kinda dorky. He's gotten better over time, but you feel the unease exuding from him when he's behind a mic.......but he still built up our program. MSU is in the honeymoon phase. Right now, he comes across as hard-working, no frills, loyal....with a bit of eccentric, maybe lack of social skills, etc......they are lovin it....it's new, and exciting.....let's see how much they love it when he goes 6-6. I know we are just talking and it's natural to see someone more fully when you are not emotionally invested in them any longer. I don't think this is really sour grapes, or at least I'm trying not to let it become that. And in fairness, I will say that Smitty's inner circle (which includes players) will seemingly run through walls for him. Like you said, he still built up our program. That takes leadership and vision. And personally, I felt that the way Smith left when the program was in such a precarious position left a super bad taste in my mouth. So there is a spite factor that I have to consider.. but I'm just wondering how he's going to do at Michigan State. There was a lot of success at Oregon State that depended on some things that he doesn't have now. He chose Tibs for that coordinator role and stuck with him quite a while before the move to Bray.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 9, 2024 12:41:15 GMT -8
I always remember wondering how he talks to the guys, and how they perceived him. He's an awkward speaker. Kinda dorky. He's gotten better over time, but you feel the unease exuding from him when he's behind a mic.......but he still built up our program. MSU is in the honeymoon phase. Right now, he comes across as hard-working, no frills, loyal....with a bit of eccentric, maybe lack of social skills, etc......they are lovin it....it's new, and exciting.....let's see how much they love it when he goes 6-6. I know we are just talking and it's natural to see someone more fully when you are not emotionally invested in them any longer. I don't think this is really sour grapes, or at least I'm trying not to let it become that. And in fairness, I will say that Smitty's inner circle (which includes players) will seemingly run through walls for him. Like you said, he still built up our program. That takes leadership and vision. And personally, I felt that the way Smith left when the program was in such a precarious position left a super bad taste in my mouth. So there is a spite factor that I have to consider.. but I'm just wondering how he's going to do at Michigan State. There was a lot of success at Oregon State that depended on some things that he doesn't have now. He chose Tibs for that coordinator role and stuck with him quite a while before the move to Bray. I may be wrong, but I think he might do about as well as Riley at Nebraska.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 11, 2024 0:39:26 GMT -8
I keep hoping that Smitty will be instrumental in getting Oregon State into the Big Ten. True redemption story after the way that Smitty left. That is my hope anyway.
Smitty is a villain for the way that he left, but several Big Ten villains have manifested over the past 19 months.
I wish Smitty enough success that he has a ton of sway at Michigan State, because I believe in my heart of hearts that he still is very fond of Oregon State. Vote number 14 to add the Beavs as a member of the Big Ten............
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