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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 9, 2024 20:09:33 GMT -8
Guess he should have thought twice before calling out his former head coach of not having any loyalty. Except he's...what?...19 or 20? I'm sure even young Henry had to eat a little crow. It's part of growing up. I'll gladly provide the ketchup to make his meal more tolerable.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 9, 2024 20:14:05 GMT -8
Then WTF are we doing? And why? The lifetime of potato salad offer is not what it used to be. From what I heard, he put away a lot of tater salad in the off-season. Word is he has a "chronic" eating problem.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 20:14:25 GMT -8
Oh here we go, 6 more months of butt hurt adult fans heavily invested in 20 year olds. CFB sucks now guys, just enjoy the entertainment for what it is.
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Post by atownbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 20:54:07 GMT -8
Appreciate the positivity, however, I don't think you can just 'plug' someone into RB and expect to get the same otherworldly production as Martinez, especially with Martinez' extensive knowledge of the quirks of our incomplete offensive line. I think losing Martinez would be pretty devastating for the program personally, considering we are expected to have him for another year or so. He's a supremely talented young individual who actually wanted to try and 'build a dam' here, yet the lights and pressure might have been brighter than expected. Other than the fact we've done it seven or eight times since 2001, you may be right. No way you can just replace a back like Simonton. No way you can just replace a back like Jackson. No way you can just replace a back like Bernard. No way you can just replace a back like Quizz. No way you can just replace a back like Woods. No way you can just replace a back like Nall. No way you can just replace a back like Jefferson. No way you can just replace a back like Baylor. No way you can just replace a back like Martinez. (probably the only stretch in this list was Woods/Ward coming off of Quizz. and they were arguably two very effective backs in an era where we were super pass happy)
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 9, 2024 20:59:36 GMT -8
New Favorite RB: Isaiah Newell Honorable Mention: Jam Griffin Looking forward to: Cornell Hatcher. Watch Hankerson!
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 9, 2024 21:00:58 GMT -8
Per reports, he was slated to receive $400,000 to stay. I'm hearing Alabama and a lot more than that....... Seems insane to me. And his agent called it BS
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 9, 2024 21:04:25 GMT -8
Canzano said he turned down 400k to stay. And... again... his agent called BS.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 9, 2024 21:18:20 GMT -8
While it probably is an advantage to be a marque player and noticed while playing at a blue blood program, I am reminded of Kevin Boss from Philomath who played at Western. He was drafted in the 5th round and ended up playing on a winning super bowl team who beat the previously undefeated New England Patriots. Pro scouts for the most part know who the potential NFL players are. There are plenty of examples of NFL players from lower conferences that have made it big in the pros. Exposure doesn't make you an NFL player. Look at the rosters of NFL teams. Most RBs aren't from elite schools. Nor is Martinez on the level of the elite RBs at elite schools. Very good, but as the mainstay he had 2100+ yds and 16 tds in 2 seasons vs some pretty weak Pac12 defenses. OSU has replaced better backs on a regular basis and survived just fine. Plus none of them were hypocrites and had to delete posts that showed it! Go Beavs
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 9, 2024 21:42:12 GMT -8
This is more of an emotional blow then a competitive one to Beaver Nation. RBs are a dime a dozen, the most replaceable position in football if not sports. You see it all the time, the number 1 RB goes down and the number 2 back comes in with little to no drop off. There are exceptions to this, but Martinez is not one of them.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 9, 2024 22:14:20 GMT -8
There are no rules at this point. There are and as weak as the NCAA has become, it still enforces those rules. The NCAA enforces rules like the District Attorney's offices and Police Departments enforce the law in places like San Francisco.
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Post by seastape on Apr 10, 2024 5:47:26 GMT -8
I don't know about this. I think if he got as many or more carries for OSU this season he would put up big numbers. The offensive line took some big losses but Gray is back and I think the interior should be really good. I really like the Colorado transfer Wells. Tackles are a little inexperienced but you have the big guy from Colorado and I think there might be another transfer coming. Maybe. If Martinez leaves, OSU has other backs who will do just fine. But it's a tough loss for the Beavers. You're fooling yourself or you haven't looked at our schedule. Except for U of O and Purdue, our schedule looks like something we would've run back in the day. Running wild over Air Force and Nevada isn't going to get him noticed by the NFL. They want to see how he fares against the big defensive hogs in the SEC and B!G. He won't get that opportunity here.
I completely agree with you that it's a terrible blow to OSU football. But until things settle down, we aren't likely to have very much go our way. It's a shame, but there it is.
It's not our fault. It's not Damien's fault. The blame lies on those Traitorous f%#*tards and George K. May they all rot in hell.
While you're looking for someone to blame, don't forget the marketplace. OSU and WSU find themselves in the position they are in because the marketplace put them there.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Apr 10, 2024 5:57:17 GMT -8
I will add that Martinez might have started considering entering the portal because of the changes to the offense. It just seems like they are going to move away from the power running game to an extent and that might have been enough for him to want to go somewhere else. An offer of some sort (if it happened) could have been the nudge he needed. And, of course the dude and his handlers still think he has a NFL future. Sorry, but he doesn't... DM is a one-trick pony and no new deal will change his prospects of actually making an NFL roster. My opinion of course... So, if that is in fact true, wouldn't his best play be to try to make his $$$ now? That would give him a head start on the rest of his life, assuming he does not make the cut professionally. I'm not happy that he is leaving, but I am also not surprised. As you said elsewhere, I, too, am a Beaver fan, and will root for our players no matter who they are/who they play. The University is more than its athletics.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Apr 10, 2024 6:02:48 GMT -8
What is enough? Martinez says $400K isn't "enough" Good question. $400K is a lot of money. I would be ecstatic to receive $400K for my services, and I am pretty sure a lot of people here would be as well. But it is all in the eye of the beholder.
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 10, 2024 6:07:51 GMT -8
If 400k was going to come his way then the NIL should split that money amongst several players to keep them here.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Apr 10, 2024 6:13:13 GMT -8
What is enough? Martinez says $400K isn't "enough" Also, why would we give money to WBB, the sport that loses that AD department the most money? That makes zero business sense. Enough is to be determined based upon when they actually start publishing NIL deals and we see what the averages are and whom we want to stay ahead of... The comment about WBB was...somewhat a joke, but if you're going to go down that road... WBB has fewer people, easier to fund. But I get it, it's "just business" like everyone says. Heck, if we're doing the "just business" thing, let's drop all sports except football, as it's really the only money maker, although we'll probably have to drop down to the lowest division. But wait, if it's really "just business", let's just license out the name and branding for OSU to private equity and have them run a team. Then we'll just be getting pure profit and they can deal with the expense. We could even lease the stadium back to them. But, then again, if it's "just business", let's re-evaluate. Maybe we could demolish the stadium and lease the land to some corp develop to put up a mega mall for all the students to use. Maybe we could get the construction money back and then some. And then the team using our licensing can play at a local high school field they rent out. Going this route also allows us to cut all AD staff as well, another business/money saver. Even better, we could license Oregon State football teams in international markets. So Denmark would have an OSU football team. India would have an OSU football team. Botswana would have an OSU football team. And then, we could sell all of the alumni email and phone numbers and include the PE firm's pitch in every message our OSU marketing team (if it still exists) sends out. We get cash back - it's "just business" after all! Maybe we could run some sort of theme through all degrees to where the non-athlete students believe they are getting real-world experience, which they sort of are, but really they're working for the PE firm's investment for free. But we get to charge them tuition. Don't worry, it's okay, because it's "just business"! The problem with this whole sad state of affairs is that it used to be about getting an education first and then some people who were gifted at sports could join teams and we'd all cheer them along. And then it, like most things currently in society, became "just business". So, yeah, not a whole lot of business sense in the idea of giving WBB some more NIL except that, as fans, maybe it lessens the sting in one sport if for just a year. While I appreciate the insights here, I can't think of too many worse things for us than turning the athletic program over to a private equity concern. I understand that there is some discussion of this idea elsewhere, but the last line of the linked article ("Thamel wrote the “most intriguing group exploring the future of college sports” that has emerged in recent months is Perna's, and he “acknowledges the complications for holistic solutions, as keeping some semblance of the college model is key”) just makes me cringe. We are already at the some semblance stage, buddy, and it sucks.
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