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Post by TheGlove on Apr 11, 2024 11:31:52 GMT -8
I’ve never once heard an educator say this. Google it, you will get a million hits: Here is one from a University : bachelors-completion.northeastern.edu/news/is-a-bachelors-degree-worth-it/"According to government data, the average salary of a bachelor’s degree recipient is $67,500 per year. With the current national average just below $56,000 per year, individuals with a bachelor’s degree are rewarded with higher earning potential as compared to high school diploma and associate degree recipients." So the data shows something completely different than what you posted.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 11, 2024 12:04:44 GMT -8
Learning at an institution where ideas are aired openly and debated freely, so that the best ideas win out, is an education. That's not most of our universities anymore.
What we have now are institutions of indoctrination of bad ideas and agendas where open debate is denounced and questioning of said ideas is met with character assassination. It was there even years ago when I was in school.
I had a professor who denounced capitalism and constantly pushed the goodness of a socialist type economy in the classroom. I asked him, so if what you say is true how do you justify taking money from all of us (students in class) and enrich yourself at our expense? If you're anti capitalist and believe everyone's economic value is equal, shouldn't you distribute an equal share of your earnings to all of us, of course keep your equal share too? Do that and I'll believe you believe in what you're pushing so vehemently.
No educated rebuttal or return question, just immediate ad hominen ensued. Talk about a ripoff, he wasn't worth a dime as an "educator". Activist tyrant, do as I say not as I do type, and all to common and powerful inside our institutions.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 11, 2024 12:45:19 GMT -8
Learning at an institution where ideas are aired openly and debated freely, so that the best ideas win out, is an education. That's not most of our universities anymore. What we have now are institutions of indoctrination of bad ideas and agendas where open debate is denounced and questioning of said ideas is met with character assassination. It was there even years ago when I was in school. I had a professor who denounced capitalism and constantly pushed the goodness of a socialist type economy in the classroom. I asked him, so if what you say is true how do you justify taking money from all of us (students in class) and enrich yourself at our expense? If you're anti capitalist and believe everyone's economic value is equal, shouldn't you distribute an equal share of your earnings to all of us, of course keep your equal share too? Do that and I'll believe you believe in what you're pushing so vehemently. No educated rebuttal or return question, just immediate ad hominen ensued. Talk about a ripoff, he wasn't worth a dime as an "educator". Activist tyrant, do as I say not as I do type, and all to common and powerful inside our institutions. One of my professors was hyper anti-American. Blamed the Cold War and all of the actions of both sides entirely on the United States. I once asked him about all of the Eastern Bloc's aggressive actions to starve out West Berlin, which led up to the Berlin Airlift. And his answer were that the Eastern Bloc's actions were merely a publicity stunt. I stopped listening after that. The professor was very intelligent and well-travelled but had a completely wrong and twisted worldview that he felt compelled to have regurgitated back to him. I felt bad, though, after the fact that I did not push back more for the benefit of my classmates, if nothing else. Most professors that I dealt with were great, but that one class was a tremendous waste of time and money.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Apr 11, 2024 13:27:07 GMT -8
Google it, you will get a million hits: Here is one from a University : bachelors-completion.northeastern.edu/news/is-a-bachelors-degree-worth-it/"According to government data, the average salary of a bachelor’s degree recipient is $67,500 per year. With the current national average just below $56,000 per year, individuals with a bachelor’s degree are rewarded with higher earning potential as compared to high school diploma and associate degree recipients." So the data shows something completely different than what you posted. Not sure what your beef is with my post? Maybe I am missing the point that you are trying to make. Anyway, from the Association of public and Landgrant colleges website: "Bachelor’s degree holders are half as likely to be unemployed as their peers who only have a high school degree and they make $1.2 million in additional earnings on average over their lifetime." www.aplu.org/our-work/4-policy-and-advocacy/publicuvalues/employment-earnings/#:~:text=College%20graduates%20are%20half%20as,million%20more%20over%20their%20lifetime.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 11, 2024 14:05:38 GMT -8
Learning at an institution where ideas are aired openly and debated freely, so that the best ideas win out, is an education. That's not most of our universities anymore. What we have now are institutions of indoctrination of bad ideas and agendas where open debate is denounced and questioning of said ideas is met with character assassination. It was there even years ago when I was in school. I had a professor who denounced capitalism and constantly pushed the goodness of a socialist type economy in the classroom. I asked him, so if what you say is true how do you justify taking money from all of us (students in class) and enrich yourself at our expense? If you're anti capitalist and believe everyone's economic value is equal, shouldn't you distribute an equal share of your earnings to all of us, of course keep your equal share too? Do that and I'll believe you believe in what you're pushing so vehemently. No educated rebuttal or return question, just immediate ad hominen ensued. Talk about a ripoff, he wasn't worth a dime as an "educator". Activist tyrant, do as I say not as I do type, and all to common and powerful inside our institutions. One of my professors was hyper anti-American. Blamed the Cold War and all of the actions of both sides entirely on the United States. I once asked him about all of the Eastern Bloc's aggressive actions to starve out West Berlin, which led up to the Berlin Airlift. And his answer were that the Eastern Bloc's actions were merely a publicity stunt. I stopped listening after that. The professor was very intelligent and well-travelled but had a completely wrong and twisted worldview that he felt compelled to have regurgitated back to him. I felt bad, though, after the fact that I did not push back more for the benefit of my classmates, if nothing else. Most professors that I dealt with were great, but that one class was a tremendous waste of time and money. Fortunately there was a balance when I was in school. It was probably a 35 / 65 split and not a true 50/50, but the extreme activist professors were held in check enough to where it wasn't a campus wide infection like it is now. I was absolutely dumbfounded to learn over the past couple years the types of things incoming freshman are required to fill out and attest to. They're paying to be lab rats for other's flawed ideologies. How those ideologies are distinguished from religion in a legal sense I'm curious as they're no different in practice and reality and if one isn't tolerated in a public university neither should the other be.
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Post by orangeattack on Apr 12, 2024 3:18:07 GMT -8
One of my professors was hyper anti-American. Blamed the Cold War and all of the actions of both sides entirely on the United States. I once asked him about all of the Eastern Bloc's aggressive actions to starve out West Berlin, which led up to the Berlin Airlift. And his answer were that the Eastern Bloc's actions were merely a publicity stunt. I stopped listening after that. The professor was very intelligent and well-travelled but had a completely wrong and twisted worldview that he felt compelled to have regurgitated back to him. I felt bad, though, after the fact that I did not push back more for the benefit of my classmates, if nothing else. Most professors that I dealt with were great, but that one class was a tremendous waste of time and money. Fortunately there was a balance when I was in school. It was probably a 35 / 65 split and not a true 50/50, but the extreme activist professors were held in check enough to where it wasn't a campus wide infection like it is now. I was absolutely dumbfounded to learn over the past couple years the types of things incoming freshman are required to fill out and attest to. They're paying to be lab rats for other's flawed ideologies. How those ideologies are distinguished from religion in a legal sense I'm curious as they're no different in practice and reality and if one isn't tolerated in a public university neither should the other be. It is interesting to me how much different the experience of college right out of high school is from getting another degree as a working professional. I feel like many of these same types of influences just disappear.
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