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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 13, 2025 11:50:22 GMT -8
And a Chol Marial sighting. Just had a block against New Mexico.
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Post by ftd on Mar 13, 2025 12:33:06 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2025 14:16:34 GMT -8
With the regular season concluded, I thought I’d update this. Bilodeau (UCLA) — transfer worked out for him as he is the Bruins top scorer (14 ppg) and team is currently projected as a 6th seed in NCAAT. Pope (Texas) — I’d be really curious to know what Pope thinks about this year. I’m guessing he doesn’t regret transferring and taking the money, but not so sure he doesn’t wish he picked somewhere else. Texas is projected as first team out, but they’ll likely play in some postseason tourney. Might not have the same HC for that tourney, as Texas will likely make a change and no real reason to prolong things with transfer portal. Popes numbers aren’t what they were with Beavers (11.1 ppg). Scored double figures in less than half their games. Season high was 42, but had only two other games scoring more than 19. Wouldn’t be surprised if looking elsewhere soon. C.Wright (Louisiana) — No team success for Christian (12-21, though they did win a game in conference tournament). But he put together a pretty decent season — 8 ppg and 2.2 apg. Ibekwe (Washington) — Move to Big 10 didn’t quite work out as well for him as it did Tyler. Huskies finished last in conference and KC saw action in only 12 games (5.8 mpg). He had better numbers as a freshman. Marial (San Jose St) — Numbers were pretty similar to his time at Oregon St. Akanno (Utah St) — Like Tyler, Dexter parlayed his transfer into a likely appearance in NCAAT (Lunardi has Utah St as one of last 4 byes). Probably had his best all-around year averaging 8.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg and 1.1 apg made a big jump in his shooting — 47.8% and 45.8% from 3. Scored a career high 26 against San Diego St and had career high 11 rebounds against North Texas. Rochelin (UC-San Diego) — Found himself on a winner as Tritons went 28-4. Likely need to win the Big West conf tourney to make NCAAT. Justin had a solid season averaging 6.8 ppg and 3.4 rpg. Not a starter but averages more than 19 mpg. Jayden Stevens (Idaho) — Tough year as he only averaged 4.7 mpg in 13 games You think that UC San Diego is out with a final record of 28-5 or 29-5 with a road win against Utah State? I get that the Big West has not snagged an at large berth in two decades, but, if not UC San Diego, who is more deserving of one of those final spots? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 13, 2025 14:24:42 GMT -8
With the regular season concluded, I thought I’d update this. Bilodeau (UCLA) — transfer worked out for him as he is the Bruins top scorer (14 ppg) and team is currently projected as a 6th seed in NCAAT. Pope (Texas) — I’d be really curious to know what Pope thinks about this year. I’m guessing he doesn’t regret transferring and taking the money, but not so sure he doesn’t wish he picked somewhere else. Texas is projected as first team out, but they’ll likely play in some postseason tourney. Might not have the same HC for that tourney, as Texas will likely make a change and no real reason to prolong things with transfer portal. Popes numbers aren’t what they were with Beavers (11.1 ppg). Scored double figures in less than half their games. Season high was 42, but had only two other games scoring more than 19. Wouldn’t be surprised if looking elsewhere soon. C.Wright (Louisiana) — No team success for Christian (12-21, though they did win a game in conference tournament). But he put together a pretty decent season — 8 ppg and 2.2 apg. Ibekwe (Washington) — Move to Big 10 didn’t quite work out as well for him as it did Tyler. Huskies finished last in conference and KC saw action in only 12 games (5.8 mpg). He had better numbers as a freshman. Marial (San Jose St) — Numbers were pretty similar to his time at Oregon St. Akanno (Utah St) — Like Tyler, Dexter parlayed his transfer into a likely appearance in NCAAT (Lunardi has Utah St as one of last 4 byes). Probably had his best all-around year averaging 8.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg and 1.1 apg made a big jump in his shooting — 47.8% and 45.8% from 3. Scored a career high 26 against San Diego St and had career high 11 rebounds against North Texas. Rochelin (UC-San Diego) — Found himself on a winner as Tritons went 28-4. Likely need to win the Big West conf tourney to make NCAAT. Justin had a solid season averaging 6.8 ppg and 3.4 rpg. Not a starter but averages more than 19 mpg. Jayden Stevens (Idaho) — Tough year as he only averaged 4.7 mpg in 13 games You think that UC San Diego is out with a final record of 28-5 or 29-5 with a road win against Utah State? I get that the Big West has not snagged an at large berth in two decades, but, if not UC San Diego, who is more deserving of one of those final spots? Obviously it's the #13 or #14 SEC team. Hard to believe all of the pundits have Oklahoma definitely in with a 6-12 conference record. Texas has the same conference record and currently listed as the 1st team out. Stupid. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2025 14:30:56 GMT -8
You think that UC San Diego is out with a final record of 28-5 or 29-5 with a road win against Utah State? I get that the Big West has not snagged an at large berth in two decades, but, if not UC San Diego, who is more deserving of one of those final spots? Obviously it's the #13 or #14 SEC team. Hard to believe all of the pundits have Oklahoma definitely in with a 6-12 conference record. Texas has the same conference record and currently listed as the 1st team out. Stupid. If the SEC gets 13+ teams, I'm not watching. There is no way that 12 of the 37 best "at-larges" are from the SEC. Ludicrous! 12 total teams is still pretty ridiculous but not ludicrous. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 13, 2025 14:48:46 GMT -8
Obviously it's the #13 or #14 SEC team. Hard to believe all of the pundits have Oklahoma definitely in with a 6-12 conference record. Texas has the same conference record and currently listed as the 1st team out. Stupid. If the SEC gets 13+ teams, I'm not watching. There is no way that 12 of the 37 best "at-larges" are from the SEC. Ludicrous! 12 total teams is still pretty ridiculous but not ludicrous. Texas just beat Texas A&M.....they might be the game that gets them in. 14 of 16 teams from the SEC. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2025 14:57:46 GMT -8
If the SEC gets 13+ teams, I'm not watching. There is no way that 12 of the 37 best "at-larges" are from the SEC. Ludicrous! 12 total teams is still pretty ridiculous but not ludicrous. Texas just beat Texas A&M.....they might be the game that gets them in. 14 of 16 teams from the SEC. If Texas is in, two of Georgia, Oklahoma, & Vandy should be out. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 13, 2025 15:00:27 GMT -8
Texas just beat Texas A&M.....they might be the game that gets them in. 14 of 16 teams from the SEC. If Texas is in, two of Georgia, Oklahoma, & Vandy should be out. The problem is that the ACC is way down and will likely only get 4 teams in. That leaves a lot of room to cram SEC teams in. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2025 15:05:18 GMT -8
If Texas is in, two of Georgia, Oklahoma, & Vandy should be out. The problem is that the ACC is way down and will likely only get 4 teams in. That leaves a lot of room to cram SEC teams in. It would be great, if future Pac-12 members Boise State and Colorado State each got into the dance. That is what I would like to see. Or maybe a fifth ACC team as a slightly less bad but still bad result. |
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Post by ag87 on Mar 13, 2025 16:32:19 GMT -8
Texas's best non con win is 67-58 over #77 Saint Joseph's. Georgia did beat #14 St. John's at a neutral site. Vanderbilt beat #79 Nevada at a neutral site (73-71). Oklahoma had some good wins - #16 Arizona, #24 Louisville, and #30 Michigan at neutral sites. Arkansas's best win was also Michigan at MSG. Rankings are KenPom numbers. Boise beat #18 Clemson in Boise and #22 St. Marys in Idaho Falls. Colorado State's best win is #87 TCU in Palm Springs. San Diego State took down #3 Houston and #36 Creighton, both in Vegas. Utah State beat #22 St. Mary's in Moraga and #63 Iowa in Kansas City.
For perspective, OSU's best non-conference win was #66 UCIrvine. 2nd best was either #151 Charleston or #178 Oakland in Hawaii. It sure would have been nice to finish against #32 Oregon and #68 North Texas.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 13, 2025 18:23:43 GMT -8
Texas's best non con win is 67-58 over #77 Saint Joseph's. Georgia did beat #14 St. John's at a neutral site. Vanderbilt beat #79 Nevada at a neutral site (73-71). Oklahoma had some good wins - #16 Arizona, #24 Louisville, and #30 Michigan at neutral sites. Arkansas's best win was also Michigan at MSG. Rankings are KenPom numbers. Boise beat #18 Clemson in Boise and #22 St. Marys in Idaho Falls. Colorado State's best win is #87 TCU in Palm Springs. San Diego State took down #3 Houston and #36 Creighton, both in Vegas. Utah State beat #22 St. Mary's in Moraga and #63 Iowa in Kansas City. For perspective, OSU's best non-conference win was #66 UCIrvine. 2nd best was either #151 Charleston or #178 Oakland in Hawaii. It sure would have been nice to finish against #32 Oregon and #68 North Texas. I’d hate to see UC-San Diego not make it if it doesn’t get automatic qualifier, but they have the same problem as Beavers with a terrible NET noncon SOS. And their overall SOS is far worse. Wins are great, but it matters who you’re playing too. I actually think given things being relatively equal that top teams from mid-major conferences deserve to make tourney. The problem is finding that “relatively equal” spot. Running through best noncon wins doesn’t tell nearly close to whole story. Texas, for example, actually had a worse NET noncon SOS than UC-SD (286 bs 217), yet had a far superior overall SOS (21 versus 208). Texas has 7 Q1 wins. UC-SD didn’t even PLAY 7 Q1 and Q2 games combined all season. UC-SD had 15 Q4 games; Texas played 16 Q1 games. I don’t see UC-SD finishing .500 in conference if it was in SEC, but would they finish with at least 6 wins like Texas? Like I said, hard to find that equivalency. Look at the Beavers. They moved to a mid-major conference and went from 5-15 to 10-8 in conference. Last year about this time I predicted Beavers would finish .500, maybe 10-8 in conference this year. I was told on here by a poster with thick orange-tinted glasses that such a prediction was “laughable” and Beavs would finish at least 4 games over.500 in conference. Why? Cuz the WCC was that much worse than the old Pac 12. And the old Pac 12 is not nearly as good as this year’s version of the SEC. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2025 20:18:26 GMT -8
Texas's best non con win is 67-58 over #77 Saint Joseph's. Georgia did beat #14 St. John's at a neutral site. Vanderbilt beat #79 Nevada at a neutral site (73-71). Oklahoma had some good wins - #16 Arizona, #24 Louisville, and #30 Michigan at neutral sites. Arkansas's best win was also Michigan at MSG. Rankings are KenPom numbers. Boise beat #18 Clemson in Boise and #22 St. Marys in Idaho Falls. Colorado State's best win is #87 TCU in Palm Springs. San Diego State took down #3 Houston and #36 Creighton, both in Vegas. Utah State beat #22 St. Mary's in Moraga and #63 Iowa in Kansas City. For perspective, OSU's best non-conference win was #66 UCIrvine. 2nd best was either #151 Charleston or #178 Oakland in Hawaii. It sure would have been nice to finish against #32 Oregon and #68 North Texas. I’d hate to see UC-San Diego not make it if it doesn’t get automatic qualifier, but they have the same problem as Beavers with a terrible NET noncon SOS. And their overall SOS is far worse. Wins are great, but it matters who you’re playing too. I actually think given things being relatively equal that top teams from mid-major conferences deserve to make tourney. The problem is finding that “relatively equal” spot. Running through best noncon wins doesn’t tell nearly close to whole story. Texas, for example, actually had a worse NET noncon SOS than UC-SD (286 bs 217), yet had a far superior overall SOS (21 versus 208). Texas has 7 Q1 wins. UC-SD didn’t even PLAY 7 Q1 and Q2 games combined all season. UC-SD had 15 Q4 games; Texas played 16 Q1 games. I don’t see UC-SD finishing .500 in conference if it was in SEC, but would they finish with at least 6 wins like Texas? Like I said, hard to find that equivalency. Look at the Beavers. They moved to a mid-major conference and went from 5-15 to 10-8 in conference. Last year about this time I predicted Beavers would finish .500, maybe 10-8 in conference this year. I was told on here by a poster with thick orange-tinted glasses that such a prediction was “laughable” and Beavs would finish at least 4 games over.500 in conference. Why? Cuz the WCC was that much worse than the old Pac 12. And the old Pac 12 is not nearly as good as this year’s version of the SEC. My prediction before the season started was no worse than sixth, and you indicated that I was too optimistic. Are you attempting to quote me before we lost almost the entire team last year? |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 13, 2025 21:13:58 GMT -8
Here is what you said:
“Personally, though, I believe that any talk about Oregon State going .500 or two games over .500 are laughable. The Beavs go at least four games over .500, unless the team just gets wrecked this offseason or there are a bunch of injuries in the early part of next season.”
Now the Beavers did lose two of its best players and Akanno as well. But, a month ago when I posed the question who would finish higher in WCC
1. This year’s team
2. Last year’s team in its entirety
3. This year’s team except for Pope and Bilodeau replacing Minor and Fallah
you put this year’s team higher than last year’s team in its entirety and said, “This team in total is better than last year's team in whole.”
So if you thought last year’s team staying together would be “at least 4 games over .500” and you think this year’s team is better than last year’s, what happened to that minimum of an 11-7 conf record?
I don’t like teams like Texas getting into tournament with a bad conference records, But if Texas played UC-SD five times, UT likely wins four if not all of the games. There is a reason mid major conferences are called mid major. Heck you said Loyola, Pacific, Pepperdine, Portland, and San Diego “are like playing against a good high school team.” Unfortunately we lost to those glorified HS teams twice during season and once in conf tournament.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 13, 2025 22:02:45 GMT -8
Losing begets losing. And winning begets winning. I'm referring specifically to LoyolaMary, Pacific, Pepperdine, Portland and San Diego. All those teams would clean up on D3 teams. They have talent. What's missing is in large part belief. I'm not saying there are not more talented teams, but the difference is less than what first appears.
It's just a cliche, but the announcers often say stuff like "don't let a team hang around and start believing they have a chance to win." That's because teams with a bit less talent, when feeling confident, are extremely dangerous. I watched Pepperdine outscore Portland 46-19 over the last 12 minutes of their game. Pepperdine rode that 40 minutes of actual time to beat Oregon State and Santa Clara. And it was primarily one guy, Moe Odum. He hit two 3's and got a steal and lay-up, maybe in consecutive possessions. Todorovic passed an open 3 because his shot was not falling. At the time out, Odum was in Todorovic's face, screaming something like you are a shooter and we need your shots. The team got it and played to their potential.
It's a long time ago now, but Larry Bird and the intermural all-star team nearly won a national championship.
Even longer ago, Bellfountain won the Oregon high school championship. Bellfountain is about 20 miles southwest of Corvallis. They had seven boys in the high school. One was the manager. Until after WW2, Oregon had two classes of schools, A and B. The "B" champion got seeded into the "A" bracket. Bellfountain won the "B" and then continued winning. This was well before I was born, but I know Bellfountain did not have better players than Salem HS, Corvallis HS, Eugene HS, Grant HS, and so on.
UCSD wins games. Texas loses too many games. Texas would have a big advantage because of the name on the front of their jerseys. The refs wouldn't call the game wrong, but they would be prejudiced (reputation and knowing that Texas has 4 and 5-star guys). Texas would have some of the attitude, "playing not to lose." UCSanDiego plays to win and wins. If given a fair shot, UCSD would have a great shot at beating Texas, and decisively.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 13, 2025 23:08:42 GMT -8
I didn’t call those teams “good high school teams,” Wilky did. And please tell me you’re not comparing UC-SD to a runner up team in NCAAT. I’ll have to look at the former team’s stats because I don’t remember seeing a guy on the roster who averaged 28.6 ppg, 14.9 rpg and 5.5 apg and 27.2, 13.4 and 5.2 in the tournament. And that intermural all-star team was led by Carl Nicks, who averaged 19.3 ppg (16.4 in tournament) and was a first round pick the following year.
I’m not sure what you’re basing UC-SD having a great shot at beating Texas decisively on. Maybe it is all their wins against P4 competition this year. No, wait, they didn’t even play any. But they did play a good San Diego St team. Dang, lost to them — as well as losing to 11-17 Seattle by 13 at home. Maybe it’s all those mid major teams Texas lost to this year. Oops that didn’t happen either.
Like I said, I hope UC-SD makes the tourney. And Is it within the realm of possibility that they could beat Texas? Sure, anything is possible. I wouldn’t put money on it though.
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