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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2016 19:34:10 GMT -8
Should be his job this season imho
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Oct 30, 2016 7:52:52 GMT -8
The D and the play calling killed us in th 2nd half....NOT him as much. He had a nice game overall imho
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 30, 2016 8:11:03 GMT -8
23-39 59%, 327 yards 2 TD / 0 INT.
I'll take that all day out of our "3rd string QB". Glad he's finally getting a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 8:13:35 GMT -8
yes but he needs to learn to take off and get the first down sometimes. It was absolutely there. And you know, that kid can run a little, as evidenced by his scramble and 3rd down completion to 22.
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Post by seastape on Oct 30, 2016 10:17:12 GMT -8
yes but he needs to learn to take off and get the first down sometimes. It was absolutely there. And you know, that kid can run a little, as evidenced by his scramble and 3rd down completion to 22. That play was incredible. Nothing between this season and last made me think we had a QB that could make that play. Apparently, we do.
Which makes me baffled why MacMaryion hasn't been given more of a shot. He's earned to be QB for the rest of the season. Darn good numbers yesterday, even with a couple of drops.
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 30, 2016 16:42:41 GMT -8
McMaryion looked like a D1 QB in the making to me compared to the others.
Utah Stater #10 would be a good 3 or 2. Dude cannot throw, but boy, he can scramble. He's got fire/guts. DB material to me.
Blount is a backup.
Was McMaryion wrongfully demoted. Was it due to a stubborn CGA who didn't take the time to analyze the players that were left for him.
About CGA. He's not in charge of offensive play calling is he? In the off season, shouldn't CGA find an OC?
Beavs played good. OK but the Beavs lost. 3rd Quarter what happened?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 30, 2016 20:40:18 GMT -8
McMaryion looked like a D1 QB in the making to me compared to the others. Utah Stater #10 would be a good 3 or 2. Dude cannot throw, but boy, he can scramble. He's got fire/guts. DB material to me. Blount is a backup. Was McMaryion wrongfully demoted. Was it due to a stubborn CGA who didn't take the time to analyze the players that were left for him. About CGA. He's not in charge of offensive play calling is he? In the off season, shouldn't CGA find an OC? Beavs played good. OK but the Beavs lost. 3rd Quarter what happened? Blount looks good, but he looks young. I do not believe that CGA is in charge of offensive play-calling. I want to believe that CGA's first order of business in the offseason is to find a hand-to-God OC. Ryan Nall finished with 19 carries for 131 yards. Third quarter, Nall was 3 carries for 4 yards. McMaryion threw incomplete twice to Nall before he finally hit him for a 41 yard gain. I think that our safeties are cheating to the sidelines on certain plays. Goff audibled into a run that went 50 yards for a score with 2:41 left in the fourth quarter. It looked like Falk saw the same thing. Jamal Morrow beat the linebacker that was guarding him and caught a short pass and beat everyone to the end zone for a 66 yard third quarter touchdown (to make it 24-12). Good quarterbacks seem to be picking up on something that the safeties are doing pre-snap. Having said that, great linebacker play and neither one of those go for touchdowns. The next drive after the touchdown, Villamin gets called for offensive pass interference. The penalty is declined. Two drives later, Gabe Marks does the same thing (extends the arm to create separation on a 50-50 ball) to Treston Decoud for a touchdown and no call. My impression of the third quarter is that Oregon State abandoned the run, the safeties and linebacking corps turned a ho-hum short gain into a long touchdown pass, and the calls did not go Oregon State's way. Washington State also drove for touchdowns on four-of-five drives in the second and third quarters. Oregon State was only able to respond with one field goal. The Beavers caught a break in the fourth but were not able to keep Wazzu out of the end zone. Oregon State was still in a position to take the lead but failed on both third- and fourth-and-one. Bad use of the challenge and timeouts pretty much handed the game to the Cougars at the end. (It would have been tough without the coaching miscues, but not as impossible as it became.)
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 30, 2016 21:34:51 GMT -8
McMaryion looked like a D1 QB in the making to me compared to the others. Utah Stater #10 would be a good 3 or 2. Dude cannot throw, but boy, he can scramble. He's got fire/guts. DB material to me. Blount is a backup. Was McMaryion wrongfully demoted. Was it due to a stubborn CGA who didn't take the time to analyze the players that were left for him. About CGA. He's not in charge of offensive play calling is he? In the off season, shouldn't CGA find an OC? Beavs played good. OK but the Beavs lost. 3rd Quarter what happened? Blount looks good, but he looks young. I do not believe that CGA is in charge of offensive play-calling. I want to believe that CGA's first order of business in the offseason is to find a hand-to-God OC. Ryan Nall finished with 19 carries for 131 yards. Third quarter, Nall was 3 carries for 4 yards. McMaryion threw incomplete twice to Nall before he finally hit him for a 41 yard gain. I think that our safeties are cheating to the sidelines on certain plays. Goff audibled into a run that went 50 yards for a score with 2:41 left in the fourth quarter. It looked like Falk saw the same thing. Jamal Morrow beat the linebacker that was guarding him and caught a short pass and beat everyone to the end zone for a 66 yard third quarter touchdown (to make it 24-12). Good quarterbacks seem to be picking up on something that the safeties are doing pre-snap. Having said that, great linebacker play and neither one of those go for touchdowns. The next drive after the touchdown, Villamin gets called for offensive pass interference. The penalty is declined. Two drives later, Gabe Marks does the same thing (extends the arm to create separation on a 50-50 ball) to Treston Decoud for a touchdown and no call. My impression of the third quarter is that Oregon State abandoned the run, the safeties and linebacking corps turned a ho-hum short gain into a long touchdown pass, and the calls did not go Oregon State's way. Washington State also drove for touchdowns on four-of-five drives in the second and third quarters. Oregon State was only able to respond with one field goal. The Beavers caught a break in the fourth but were not able to keep Wazzu out of the end zone. Oregon State was still in a position to take the lead but failed on both third- and fourth-and-one. Bad use of the challenge and timeouts pretty much handed the game to the Cougars at the end. (It would have been tough without the coaching miscues, but not as impossible as it became.) I thought that our Playbook was done by the end of the half and when they came out in the third quarter they knew our formations and they cold put 8 in the Box and cover man on man because they knew the pressure would get to mc marion before he could make the second and third read accurately
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Post by beavineugene on Oct 31, 2016 8:17:05 GMT -8
Should be his job this season imho He never really got a fair shot in games last year (although our best game last year, was CW in which McM started!). Watching Saturday's game, I just had to wonder. How much better would OSU had been last year and to this point had McM been named the starter game 1 in 2015. And continued to develop over the course of the last 1.5 years.
The coaches put to much emphasis on a QB that could run, and obviously ignored that we had a QB who could make downfield throws, and run when needed.
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Post by beavineugene on Oct 31, 2016 8:19:08 GMT -8
yes but he needs to learn to take off and get the first down sometimes. It was absolutely there. And you know, that kid can run a little, as evidenced by his scramble and 3rd down completion to 22. I wonder if the coaches told him not to run. As in, you're the only 100% healthy QB (who is ready to play), don't get hurt!
Because you're right he had chances to get first downs with is feet.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 31, 2016 8:23:04 GMT -8
Should be his job this season imho He never really got a fair shot in games last year (although our best game last year, was CW in which McM started!). Watching Saturday's game, I just had to wonder. How much better would OSU had been last year and to this point had McM been named the starter game 1 in 2015. And continued to develop over the course of the last 1.5 years.
The coaches put to much emphasis on a QB that could run, and obviously ignored that we had a QB who could make downfield throws, and run when needed.
I wonder too... I just posted in another thread I am feeling good, that there is progress being made. But I still have my qualms, on of them are the head scratching decisions. I and a few others have openly wondered why McM kept getting dissed, and why, when given the chance, he never seemed to get a fair shake. I think they did a okayish job of calling plays for him in this game. but almost TOO much the other way. yes WSU DL adjusted quickly, but we more or less abandoned the run far to prematurely. we lost that edge in the second half with the creativity. That is back on coaches and play calling.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 31, 2016 8:23:05 GMT -8
Should be his job this season imho He never really got a fair shot in games last year (although our best game last year, was CW in which McM started!). Watching Saturday's game, I just had to wonder. How much better would OSU had been last year and to this point had McM been named the starter game 1 in 2015. And continued to develop over the course of the last 1.5 years.
The coaches put to much emphasis on a QB that could run, and obviously ignored that we had a QB who could make downfield throws, and run when needed.
Don't take this line of reasoning to it's ultimate conclusion, or you risk posts being banned
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Post by Mike84 on Oct 31, 2016 10:35:12 GMT -8
Ryan Nall finished with 19 carries for 131 yards. Third quarter, Nall was 3 carries for 4 yards. McMaryion threw incomplete twice to Nall before he finally hit him for a 41 yard gain. Nothing was working well in the 3rd quarter. We didn't abandon the run or ignore Nall so much as we just couldn't get yards or first downs no matter what. In the first half, when everything was working, we had a run vs. pass play ratio of 15 runs to 23 passes and a run vs. pass yards ratio of 150 yards to 226 yards. Out of our 6 possessions in the first half, 4 started with a run and 2 started with a pass. Obviously, when you start with a run and it gets good yards, it puts you in a good position to mix in the run and pass after that. In the second half, when nothing was working well, we had a run vs. pass play ratio of 12 runs to 17 passes and a run vs. pass yards ratio of 19 yards to 91 yards (including the 8 yard loss on a sack as a pass play). Out of our 9 possessions in the second half, 5 started with a run and 4 started with a pass (including the pass/lateral desperation play at the end). When that first run is getting you 1 or 0 yards, it makes it harder to mix in the run/pass after that. And yet, we actually had a higher ratio of run plays in the second half than in the first. It's just that we only had 17 plays in 9 possessions (including a 1-play possession for a TD after the fumbled punt and a 1-play possession to end the game). Here's how the possessions looked: POSSESSION | QUARTER | OPENING PLAY
| RUNS-YDS | PASSES-YDS | RESULT | 1 | 1Q | Pass | 3-17
| 4-38
| Missed FG
| 2 | 1Q | Pass | 1-89
| 1-5
| TD
| 3 | 1Q | Run | 4-18
| 5-57
| TD
| 4 | 2Q | Run | 2-22
| 2-0
| Punt
| 5 | 2Q | Run | 2-(-4)
| 5-77
| TD
| 6
| 2Q | Run | 3-15
| 6-49
| FG/end
| 7 | 3Q | Run | 1-1
| 2-(-8)
| Punt
| 8 | 3Q | Run | 1-(-4)
| 2-8
| Punt
| 9
| 3Q | Pass | 0-0
| 3-2
| Punt
| 10 | 3Q | Run | 2-3
| 3-41
| Punt
| 11 | 4Q | Pass | 1-2
| 2-0
| Punt
| 12 | 4Q | Run | 1-3
| 0-0
| TD
| 13 | 4Q | Run | 4-14
| 2-9
| Downs
| 14 | 4Q | Pass | 2-0
| 2-9
| Downs
| 15 | 4Q
| Pass | 0-0
| 1-24
| End
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Post by vhalum92 on Oct 31, 2016 13:35:58 GMT -8
I think putting too much emphasis on a running QB is an interesting observation.....
I do wish McM would have ran a bit during the WSU game. I get it, he may get hurt but he almost lost his knee on a hit during a pass play.... it can happen anyway is my point.
Lots more could be said, I'm excited that he finally is getting his time. I agree that he didn't seem to get an honest shake at the beginning of last year and frankly the most exciting offensive game of the year was CW with McM at the helm.
This all leads me to wonder what would have happened if a certain QB didn't leave our program to play for a team in the SEC. I'm not blaming CGA for that as I trully don't know what went into that decision on coach or players part. Just wondering where we would be with Wins and losses, that is all.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 31, 2016 13:44:04 GMT -8
Ryan Nall finished with 19 carries for 131 yards. Third quarter, Nall was 3 carries for 4 yards. McMaryion threw incomplete twice to Nall before he finally hit him for a 41 yard gain. Nothing was working well in the 3rd quarter. We didn't abandon the run or ignore Nall so much as we just couldn't get yards or first downs no matter what. In the first half, when everything was working, we had a run vs. pass play ratio of 15 runs to 23 passes and a run vs. pass yards ratio of 150 yards to 226 yards. Out of our 6 possessions in the first half, 4 started with a run and 2 started with a pass. Obviously, when you start with a run and it gets good yards, it puts you in a good position to mix in the run and pass after that. In the second half, when nothing was working well, we had a run vs. pass play ratio of 12 runs to 17 passes and a run vs. pass yards ratio of 19 yards to 91 yards (including the 8 yard loss on a sack as a pass play). Out of our 9 possessions in the second half, 5 started with a run and 4 started with a pass (including the pass/lateral desperation play at the end). When that first run is getting you 1 or 0 yards, it makes it harder to mix in the run/pass after that. And yet, we actually had a higher ratio of run plays in the second half than in the first. It's just that we only had 17 plays in 9 possessions (including a 1-play possession for a TD after the fumbled punt and a 1-play possession to end the game). Here's how the possessions looked: POSSESSION | QUARTER | OPENING PLAY
| RUNS-YDS | PASSES-YDS | RESULT | 1 | 1Q | Pass | 3-17
| 4-38
| Missed FG
| 2 | 1Q | Pass | 1-89
| 1-5
| TD
| 3 | 1Q | Run | 4-18
| 5-57
| TD
| 4 | 2Q | Run | 2-22
| 2-0
| Punt
| 5 | 2Q | Run | 2-(-4)
| 5-77
| TD
| 6
| 2Q | Run | 3-15
| 6-49
| FG/end
| 7 | 3Q | Run | 1-1
| 2-(-8)
| Punt
| 8 | 3Q | Run | 1-(-4)
| 2-8
| Punt
| 9
| 3Q | Pass | 0-0
| 3-2
| Punt
| 10 | 3Q | Run | 2-3
| 3-41
| Punt
| 11 | 4Q | Pass | 1-2
| 2-0
| Punt
| 12 | 4Q | Run | 1-3
| 0-0
| TD
| 13 | 4Q | Run | 4-14
| 2-9
| Downs
| 14 | 4Q | Pass | 2-0
| 2-9
| Downs
| 15 | 4Q
| Pass | 0-0
| 1-24
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The table isn't letting me put "end" as the result of the final possession, but you get the idea. Mike '84 Great table, Mike! First play of the second half was a one-yard run. Second play was a play-action that resulted in a sack. If they had handed off to Nall, it would have been a big gain. Third down was a designed swing pass that Wazzu smelled out and McMaryion threw away. (Why not a screen pass of some kind? Or something where there is a second option in case the first option just is not there?) Basically, Oregon State created a huge hole and then exacerbated the problem by running a terribly-designed play. Falk catches Manase Hungalu in single coverage with Wazzu's RB on the next drive with no safety help. (How does that happen?) In the teeth good rush, Falk puts a perfect ball into the RB's hands for a touchdown. 24-14. Second drive started with Nall on the sideline. Fly sweep for loss of four yards. Only fly sweep that was not a big gainer. (Does anyone else think that the fly sweep is far less effective out of shotgun? It does not make any sense to me, because the receiver has to go backwards to get the ball, which sortof defeats the purpose of the fly sweep, i.e. to get a receiver up to full speed before the defense can.) The third and last time that the fly sweep was run. Finished 9 carries for 27 yards. Second down was a nice buttonhook for eight yards. Third down, McMaryion caught Wazzu's safety cheating, leaving Villamin with single coverage on the outside. Pass was a little underthrown. Perfect pass is a touchdown. Villamin has to push off to create separation or risks an interception. Ball goes through his hands anyway. (Still, Marks did the same thing--a little more smoothly, but he still pushed off--for a touchdown two drives later, and it was not called.) Fourth down is a terrible running into call (rather than a roughing, which it should have been in my opinion). On second-and-eight, Oregon State rushes three and drops eight. The three get pressure but not soon enough. Falk throws it up for Marks. Haley misplays and Arnold inexplicably watches it fall into Marks' hands before reacting for a touchdown. 24-21. Third drive started with a quick pass to Collins for two yards. Second down is a well-conceived play call that would eventually work for a big gain. This time, McMaryion throws wildly over Nall's head. Third down. Hernandez attempts to run his defender off into referee, but the referee only acts to shield him from the ball being thrown. Ball looks like it is thrown a half-second too soon. Bolden asks for a flag to be thrown, as he believes that he is being held. Marks pushes off. No call. It is on the opposite side of the field from Villamin's called push off, plus it was a lot smoother than Villamin's attempt. Still, probably should have been called, if Villamin's was called. Touchdown. 28-24 Wazzu. Fourth drive started with a four-yard run for a four-yard run for Nall. If Nall breaks it to the outside, second play looks like it is going for a huge gain, but a false start is called. Nall catches it for a 41 yards gain on a similar play to the second down play call in the previous drive. Bad snap. Nall looks gassed. McMaryion tries to block for Nall but merely gets in Nall's way. (I love McMaryion's hustle, but he should know better.) Loss of one. Collins fakes out his defender and is wide open in the flat for what could be a decent gain. McMaryion throws behind him, allowing the only defender in the area to break it up. Third down is a slant to Collins, who again looks open for a decent gain, but McMaryion throws behind him a second time in a row, allowing the trailing defender to break up the pass. Oregon State gives up 22 points in a 7:08 period and turns a 24-6 lead into a 28-24 deficit. We did abandon the run, though. 4 runs and 8 passes in the third quarter. Fourth quarter was 8 runs and 9 passes. The third quarter was the most pass-heavy quarter of the four. Going pass-heavy with an 18-point lead is a good way to turn that 18-point lead into a four-point deficit, which is exactly what happened.
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