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Post by zzufrevaeb on Dec 3, 2015 9:05:23 GMT -8
Caleb Smith gave the single biggest reason why it is a good idea: Get ahead in school. Two full terms ahead in school even since OSU is on the quarter system. A spring and a summer term, of knocking out 12 or so credits puts you WAY ahead of the pitch count. that is 24 credits in your back pocket that allows you to take a lighter load in your next 4 fall terms. Gives you some wiggle room if you tank a class. Is one extra spring going to make that much difference? maybe, maybe not. But no one can tell you that having two extra terms to knock some classes out of the way for when the going gets tough is a bad idea. Exactly, get some cushion room. Hell summer term is fun, get those babies knocked in in 4-8 weeks. Lots of go go go but you have that plus working out and that summer FLIES by quickly. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 3, 2015 9:30:34 GMT -8
More if he takes a summer class. But with Bacc Core the way it is, he can get Col Alg and Trig out of the way before fall term. Maybe even courses in Chem, Biology and WR 121. All of these are graduation requirements. Getting these out of the way could be huge! And... anyone who thought summer term was a hassle, once you take the courses you find they are usually an abbreviated version, much more relaxed and individualized. I loved summer terms thru my undergrad degrees and grad degrees... felt like an entirely different atmosphere... in and out of the classroom. Totally. I did summer classes and found them fantastic. The zero weeks classes are great too. 3 credits in one week. 8AM to 4PM for a week. boom. done. Then they have 4,6,8 and full 11 week options. I will certainly be encouraging my kids to exploit summer school when they get that age. |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 3, 2015 9:58:11 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is against this kid enrolling summer term. That seems totally logical. It's the leaving high school early part -dropping out of a traditional setting to take classes online - that makes me uncomfortable. Again, some kids are more mature and more equipped to handle this kind of thing, but it's gotta be on a case by case basis, and should start with the kid and his parents, not the coaches.
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Post by orangesocks on Dec 3, 2015 11:56:13 GMT -8
Are we really all arguing about what Corvallis and OSU have to offer? I don't think anyone somehow believes that Corvallis excites young men as much as LA, Seattle, or Tempe. It's a wonderful and beautiful college town and campus. However, to believe that a kid doesn't consider playing time as a factor when choosing a school? That's just naive and I've never seen anyone claim that kids who choose OSU aren't worried about playing time. If Moran paid any attention to this season he should be well aware that he may have a chance to start multiple years at a Pac-12 school. Of course, that's just a chance, and it may not pan out, but I can understand how he might see enrolling early as helping his chances. We have zero evidence that Moran didn't want to enroll early or that he'd be in the doghouse for his whole career if he didn't. We only know that the coaches encouraged it, Moran is making it happen, and he seems excited about coming to OSU. Why assume the worst? There seems to be quite an assumption that the coaching staff put some sort of major pressure on Moran to enroll early. I don't see evidence of that. It's just as likely that if the coaches informed Moran that they'd like him to enroll early that he would be very excited to do so. It shows him that OSU truly wants him to be a player for them, and that they feel he has a legitimate chance to contend. It does appear he hadn't planned for this opportunity in advance, and who could blame him? He wasn't even the starter at QB at his high school until this fall. Players enrolled early under Riley and it's now happened under Andersen. It's not a new thing. Even Riley admitted that even though it wasn't his preference it was good for team and player development. If this was something that was known to work out poorly for the student-athlete then I don't see why these coaches would allow it. I don't get the impression that Andersen is selfish and puts the success of the team above the well-being of its players, but even if he did, the well-being of each student-athlete is imperative to the success of the team. And everything that has been said about Andersen is similar to one thing Riley has been known for: Developing good men as well as players. Washington State has improved under Leach, but do you remember what happened his first season as coach? He threw the players that were recruited by and played under the previous coaches under the bus. He regularly criticized his own team. Andersen, at least, has been respectful towards his players. Yes, he has certainly stated that not all players have bought in. But he has made it a point to say that effort by his players was not the main issue this season. He has taken some of the blame as coach (whereas Leach took none), saying that they need to teach better. I find this respectable compared to other coaches' behavior. There seems to be a goal around here of grasping for reasons to criticize the coaching staff. A winless Pac-12 record is a good reason. But I don't see "sketchy" and questionable practices happening here. I'm not going to pretend Andersen can't do any wrong any more than I would with Riley. There have been plenty of reasons to judge both coaching staffs' based on the team's performance. This is a topic based primarily on speculation. Too many opinions are being developed based on assumptions. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 3, 2015 12:07:02 GMT -8
orangesox... You don't see evidence of anything doesn't follow your belief system!! LOL
The points you try and make can be easily counter with the same logic... but, then that would be a waste of time... your opinions/interpretations are not right to everyone else... get a grip.
Again, horse sufficiently beaten... you'll win no prize, you know that right??
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 3, 2015 12:26:51 GMT -8
There seems to be quite an assumption that the coaching staff put some sort of major pressure on Moran to enroll early. I don't see evidence of that. I agree. To suggest it is one thing. to encourage it is one thing... But, I highly doubt the coaches said come early or your out. They probably simply mentioned it as a good idea to consider and Moran considered it. I hardly see this as something nefarious. More over, I am not sure I like the assumption that we think Moran is not in control of his life and his destiny. that he is a willful pawn hapless to the overtures of coaches. This notion of you are only a senior once is technically true, but it does not hold the same meaning for everybody. I know dozens of people that hated every second of high school and couldn't wait to leave. I know dozens more that twenty years later it appears like they never left! Missing out on that last semester of high school could be huge... or it could be nothing. It just depends on the person and the value they place on it. Let the kid live his life. He made his choice, it is his life. His goal was to play major college football and he is living out that goal. Lets just be happy for our future Beaver player. |
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Post by orangesocks on Dec 3, 2015 12:52:32 GMT -8
Baseba1111, as discussion is the point of this online forum, I attempted to craft a thought-out response to another poster besides yourself based on my own observations of facts rather than speculating about something of which there is no evidence. You don't know my "belief system" other than I don't see evidence of anything of which there isn't evidence. If you have no response to any of the points I made that's fine, but making a post saying so is as unnecessary as your rampant abuse of the ellipsis.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 3, 2015 12:57:47 GMT -8
Baseba1111, as discussion is the point of this online forum, I attempted to craft a thought-out response to another poster besides yourself based on my own observations of facts rather than speculating about something of which there is no evidence. You don't know my "belief system" other than I don't see evidence of anything of which there isn't evidence. If you have no response to any of the points I made that's fine, but making a post saying so is as unnecessary as your rampant abuse of the ellipsis. And... the arrogant head of a BCM 'type' rears it's ugly head... LMAO... You actually just keep arguing your own points using different verbiage. And discussion typically does not involve berating people because they do not have the "evidence" you see as necessary for such. Let me help you somewhat without trying to toss out overly intellectual BS... opinion is based on many things, some of which is personal experience and interpretations. Like that of an article/posts that can be taken in many ways. And, since none of us were party to any of the discussions, personal interpretations will always exist. Now, pressure, undue influence, insinuation, etc can easily be inferred when a "superior" makes even innocent suggestions. So... the basis for any opinion is solely based on "evidence" as "observed" by that particular person. But, again you like to argue, and it seems to try to convince yourself of your superior intelligence. Kinda a self defeating exercise isn't it??? |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 3, 2015 13:34:20 GMT -8
I don't think I alleged anything nefarious was going on. My personal opinion is that kids don't need to leave high school early. Moran said that the coaches suggested it. Again, I'm not saying that Andersen is out to abuse this kid for his own personal gain - far from it. I just happen to disagree with the idea that a coach should suggest and/or encourage a kid to fast forward through the last few months of his life where he will have almost no responsibilities.
Also, we could go around and around about Andersen "accepting blame." Last night on The Drive, he said "we know what we do works. The players just aren't there yet," which sounds a lot to me like "I'm good, they're not." The next thing out of his mouth was something about how "obviously things didn't work and that means I need to point the finger directly at myself" or something to that effect.
Last thing - enough with the childish rips on grammar and punctuation, or calling people "arrogant" and then explaining why someone else's argument is invalid. My hope is that this board becomes the go to place for Beaver fans, replacing pure-orange. We're never going to get there when every post starts off with one page of good discussion and then breaks down into "I'm better than you because of this, this, and this." Just in the past week, we've had people try to support their claims by saying that they coached high school football, or that they've donated x amount of dollars, or because they knew so and so. Nobody cares. That's the beauty of a message board - we're all equals (or at least in theory).
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 3, 2015 13:43:10 GMT -8
It's actually quite funny to go to the beginning to see how a thread morphs into nothing like the original. Everyone adds a layer and pretty soon it's a giant multi-layered pile signifying nothing. Just another kid entering school early. \
If you dig there was really never a word said that he should not. Nor, that someone wished he didn't. Other than that is revolves around whether coaches should or should not broach the topic initially or blah blah blah.
Moran says he's entering early everyone!!!
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Post by orangesocks on Dec 3, 2015 14:12:36 GMT -8
nabeav, I appreciate your response. Although we obviously disagree about some things you didn't resort to personal attacks or simply decide that the conversation should be over. I shouldn't have singled anyone out for grammar as it makes me guilty of the same sort of personal attack I would otherwise speak out against. I'm not trying to berate anyone on their beliefs, just explain mine. My goal being here isn't to get into pissing matches, but I also believe there is a big difference between healthy debate and a full-on argument.
I certainly don't think Andersen has said and done everything perfectly but when I think about how Leach was towards his team I appreciate the OSU coach's approach. And as you yourself said, it makes perfect sense that leaving school early may not be good for everyone. I don't think it is automatically bad either, however, and therefore appears to be a case by case situation.
I absolutely agree with what you're saying about this forum replacing P-O. So far, it's been a good alternative but some of the same things you listed as concerns are frustrating me as well. Hopefully it only gets better and better, and so do the Beavs!
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Post by nabeav on Dec 3, 2015 14:15:50 GMT -8
FWIW, grammar stuff drives me insane too. I have been guilty of falling in love with the ... and truth be told, I still don't know the correct time to use a semi-colon. Figure it's not on me to call someone on it since it's inevitable I'll make a dumb mistake at some point and get pilloried for it.
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Post by orangesocks on Dec 3, 2015 14:29:14 GMT -8
FWIW, grammar stuff drives me insane too. I have been guilty of falling in love with the ... and truth be told, I still don't know the correct time to use a semi-colon. Figure it's not on me to call someone on it since it's inevitable I'll make a dumb mistake at some point and get pilloried for it. I'm uncertain enough that any time I think I might need a semi-colon I re-write the sentence so that I know I don't. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 3, 2015 14:50:11 GMT -8
LOL... ok, an very elementary tip:
Semicolons separate things. Most commonly, they separate two main clauses that are closely related to each other but could stand on their own as sentences if you so wanted.
A simple example:
I have a big test tomorrow; I can't go out tonight.
The two clauses in that sentence are separated by a semicolon and could be sentences on their own if you put a period between them instead:
I have a big test tomorrow. I can't go out tonight.
But, of course 99.9% of us on here won't care if you you a '.' or '...' or ',' or ':' OR just run on sentences!
Could we move on? Maybe to the discussion of how to find the remaining roots of a rational function knowing one other zero???
:>)
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Post by nabeav on Dec 3, 2015 14:54:33 GMT -8
No way did that just happen.
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