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Post by badwack on Jun 15, 2017 12:14:50 GMT -8
Now the 50,000 Lb Elephant in the room! How pissed off are PC and Nate? I don't know but nothing would surprise me. Some nice opening around.
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Post by jimbeav on Jun 15, 2017 12:15:14 GMT -8
All he said was he hopes to return to OSU as a student-athlete.
It's already been established in another thread that there can still be substantial bonus money for free agents, as long as teams have money left in their bonus pool. There may very well be some MLB teams who are figuring out how to keep some powder dry as they work to sign this year's draft class...
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 15, 2017 12:39:07 GMT -8
Now the 50,000 Lb Elephant in the room! How pissed off are PC and Nate? I don't know but nothing would surprise me. Some nice opening around. My thought is that right now they are focused on the CWS, but the off season, well let's just get through the next two weekends. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 15, 2017 13:49:21 GMT -8
Pac-12 has already (or will be shortly) banning transfer athletes with serious legal issues. Seems like we are headed for restrictions on freshman recruits next That doesn't apply to Luke. He'll have no record come August. And the Pac 12 can't have rules that supersede state laws regarding what you can and can't ask. The timing of all of this is curious. My old boss always said that, if he believed in coincidences, he would not have made it out of Vietnam. It sounds like Heimlich will sit out the College World Series. In exchange, Ray promises Heimlich that he has a spot on next year's team. In the meantime, everyone will work to get Heimlich a free agent contract with a major league team in the offseason. |
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Post by jdogge on Jun 15, 2017 15:59:24 GMT -8
How true, as we've seen in this story so far, what is really the truth? Luke recused himself? University officials decided Friday before the Supers? Which is it here? And, saying he's welcome next year seems to be a fairly simple way to get out of the line of fire today. I have no interest in random guessing games, but the way the university handled this I'm sincerely doubtful Luke pitches for OSU next year. I would expect Ray to hold himself to his own statement, but it could also be that Luke has no intention of pitching for OSU next year but simply wanted that info out in the open so that he can negotiate a free-agent contract with an MLB team with some leverage? It would be hard for Ed Ray to backtrack on this. Knowing Ed Ray and reading between the lines, Heimlich has spent his last game in an OSU uniform. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 15, 2017 17:17:04 GMT -8
August = expunge...because Luke has done all the right things. Depending on the quality of the true redemption story that emerges - from Pat Casey, from Luke himself, from journalist's like Eggers, or from President Ray, any attempt in BB season 2018 by pond-scum like Canzano to re-open all of this will be substantially less effective. Most people 'get it' that second chances have validity.
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Post by usmc1958 on Jun 15, 2017 17:21:21 GMT -8
I would expect Ray to hold himself to his own statement, but it could also be that Luke has no intention of pitching for OSU next year but simply wanted that info out in the open so that he can negotiate a free-agent contract with an MLB team with some leverage? It would be hard for Ed Ray to backtrack on this. Knowing Ed Ray and reading between the lines, Heimlich has spent his last game in an OSU uniform. Hopefully someone can confirm what I think I watched during the Vandy series: Coach Casey gave a brief but positive statement saying that he supported LH, believed in him and that he had a spot on this team. To me, it sounded like if it was up to him (coach Casey) Luke would have pitched that night. The statement came on kind of quick and I might have heard wrong. Hopefully someone can either confirm what I thought I heard or, confirm that I'm in fact, not a good listener. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 15, 2017 17:28:46 GMT -8
Knowing Ed Ray and reading between the lines, Heimlich has spent his last game in an OSU uniform. Hopefully someone can confirm what I think I watched during the Vandy series: Coach Casey gave a brief but positive statement saying that he supported LH, believed in him and that he had a spot on this team. To me, it sounded like if it was up to him (coach Casey) Luke would have pitched that night. The statement came on kind of quick and I might have heard wrong. Hopefully someone can either confirm what I thought I heard or, confirm that I'm in fact, not a good listener. You're a good listener. He did say that. Casey does rightfully believe in Luke. It's a long way until February, but I believe there is a (possible) pathway out there for Luke 2018 Beaver. If anyone can make it happen, it's Pat Casey. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 15, 2017 17:32:33 GMT -8
August = expunge...because Luke has done all the right things. Depending on the quality of the true redemption story that emerges - from Pat Casey, from Luke himself, from journalist's like Eggers, or from President Ray, any attempt in BB season 2018 by pond-scum like Canzano to re-open all of this will be substantially less effective. Most people 'get it' that second chances have validity. I truly do not think there is any reason for Luke to return to this 'hornets nest'. This will be a much more prevalent story if he stays here and I'm not sure I believe Mr. Ray actually "wants" Luke to return. Or, if Luke even feels like the "university" truly wants him as the student/athlete. Ed Ray and the Athletic department (which I assume are following "orders") have lost my complete respect and $$$ (along with several others who sent in our feelings, although the note has no business in a public forum). One of the main charges of such a fine institution is to support and aide in the success of all students/athletes from all sorts of differing backgrounds. Luke has done nothing while at OSU, nor since being adjudicating, to have that support withdrawn and not reinforced in the time of most need. The university and Ed Ray failed in their charge here, and to me it is obvious they caved to public/donor pressures of what is "right. As far a jc... I have always thought he was the lowest of low... the modern day Geraldo Rivera. I never understood how a supposedly respected news organization put up with his escapades. I never understood how a woman I used to think was a fair and honorable journalist and news reporter could marry the clown. I never understood how a radio station could give him further "voice". But, I also believe in karma... and only hope he never has to endure the pain his numerous irresponsible stories have caused, But, make no mistake, in true jc style if Luke stays he'll try to turn this into a jc story of human interest and overcoming all odds. He never misses a self promotion chance and one to cover his arse on both sides of an issue. He's never wrong, as the biggest hypocrite in the media he eventual takes both sides. The guy is a farce and doesn't even deserve the space given to disrespect him! |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 15, 2017 18:30:44 GMT -8
August = expunge...because Luke has done all the right things. Depending on the quality of the true redemption story that emerges - from Pat Casey, from Luke himself, from journalist's like Eggers, or from President Ray, any attempt in BB season 2018 by pond-scum like Canzano to re-open all of this will be substantially less effective. Most people 'get it' that second chances have validity. I truly do not think there is any reason for Luke to return to this 'hornets nest'. This will be a much more prevalent story if he stays here and I'm not sure I believe Mr. Ray actually "wants" Luke to return. Or, if Luke even feels like the "university" truly wants him as the student/athlete. Ed Ray and the Athletic department (which I assume are following "orders") have lost my complete respect and $$$ (along with several others who sent in our feelings, although the note has no business in a public forum). One of the main charges of such a fine institution is to support and aide in the success of all students/athletes from all sorts of differing backgrounds. Luke has done nothing while at OSU, nor since being adjudicating, to have that support withdrawn and not reinforced in the time of most need. The university and Ed Ray failed in their charge here, and to me it is obvious they caved to public/donor pressures of what is "right. As far a jc... I have always thought he was the lowest of low... the modern day Geraldo Rivera. I never understood how a supposedly respected news organization put up with his escapades. I never understood how a woman I used to think was a fair and honorable journalist and news reporter could marry the clown. I never understood how a radio station could give him further "voice". But, I also believe in karma... and only hope he never has to endure the pain his numerous irresponsible stories have caused, But, make no mistake, in true jc style if Luke stays he'll try to turn this into a jc story of human interest and overcoming all odds. He never misses a self promotion chance and one to cover his arse on both sides of an issue. He's never wrong, as the biggest hypocrite in the media he eventual takes both sides. The guy is a farce and doesn't even deserve the space given to disrespect him! I mostly agree with you. Luke and the family that supports him probably know that there is no reason to return to OSU. He would gain nothing from a baseball or life perspective. In addition, it sounds like the administration did what they thought was best for their public relations and not what is best for Luke, the team or the greater university. Obviously not knowing any facts about the main actors but it probably was not even best for the girl. Thinking about baseball, Luke has thrown a lot of stressful innings this year and shutting it down for the summer is not a bad thing. I'm very surprised that a team did not draft him sometime after the first five rounds. In my experience more people than not will stand behind and try to help someone who genuinely wants to correct mistakes and live a righteous life. From what we have read over the last week, Heimlich falls into this category. I am hopeful there is a quiet bidding war that is about to start and LH finds a suitor and a $200Kish bonus. We would all be better off if that little o columnist takes a job with a paper in Lubbock, or Little Rock, or Boone, NC or . . . . . |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 15, 2017 19:18:36 GMT -8
August = expunge...because Luke has done all the right things. Depending on the quality of the true redemption story that emerges - from Pat Casey, from Luke himself, from journalist's like Eggers, or from President Ray, any attempt in BB season 2018 by pond-scum like Canzano to re-open all of this will be substantially less effective. Most people 'get it' that second chances have validity. I truly do not think there is any reason for Luke to return to this 'hornets nest'. This will be a much more prevalent story if he stays here and I'm not sure I believe Mr. Ray actually "wants" Luke to return. Or, if Luke even feels like the "university" truly wants him as the student/athlete. Ed Ray and the Athletic department (which I assume are following "orders") have lost my complete respect and $$$ (along with several others who sent in our feelings, although the note has no business in a public forum). One of the main charges of such a fine institution is to support and aide in the success of all students/athletes from all sorts of differing backgrounds. Luke has done nothing while at OSU, nor since being adjudicating, to have that support withdrawn and not reinforced in the time of most need. The university and Ed Ray failed in their charge here, and to me it is obvious they caved to public/donor pressures of what is "right. As far a jc... I have always thought he was the lowest of low... the modern day Geraldo Rivera. I never understood how a supposedly respected news organization put up with his escapades. I never understood how a woman I used to think was a fair and honorable journalist and news reporter could marry the clown. I never understood how a radio station could give him further "voice". But, I also believe in karma... and only hope he never has to endure the pain his numerous irresponsible stories have caused, But, make no mistake, in true jc style if Luke stays he'll try to turn this into a jc story of human interest and overcoming all odds. He never misses a self promotion chance and one to cover his arse on both sides of an issue. He's never wrong, as the biggest hypocrite in the media he eventual takes both sides. The guy is a farce and doesn't even deserve the space given to disrespect him! You write: "Ed Ray and the Athletic department (which I assume are following "orders") have lost my complete respect and $$$ (along with several others who sent in our feelings, although the note has no business in a public forum)." Couldn't agree more. Lost my $$$ as well. Lost my respect as well. Too bad I couldn't get in on that note of yours. What Pat Casey said was not quite the party line, and I think he (and the rest of the staff and team) have the right to be quite upset about this. Will be interesting to see how this plays out after the season. I suspect PC would have thrown Luke that evening if it were solely up to him. Professional journalism is obviously a rare quality possessed by very few. (tongue firmly in cheek) I wonder what a background check of current MLB players would turn up? In all of this, I just hope the family of the original victim has extracted a measure of 'satisfaction'. Otherwise, no one has benefited, no one has won. And there is a kid running around continuing to be completely defined by the worst thing he ever did. And I somehow doubt we see him in Beaver Orange and Black ever again. Ed Ray will be too averse to 'journalists' doing "journalism" next season. "People are like tea bags......you have to put them in a bit of hot water to see their true colors." Not liking the true colors I am seeing here from much of the OSU leadership. Go Beavers! |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 15, 2017 19:18:54 GMT -8
I truly do not think there is any reason for Luke to return to this 'hornets nest'. This will be a much more prevalent story if he stays here and I'm not sure I believe Mr. Ray actually "wants" Luke to return. Or, if Luke even feels like the "university" truly wants him as the student/athlete. Ed Ray and the Athletic department (which I assume are following "orders") have lost my complete respect and $$$ (along with several others who sent in our feelings, although the note has no business in a public forum). One of the main charges of such a fine institution is to support and aide in the success of all students/athletes from all sorts of differing backgrounds. Luke has done nothing while at OSU, nor since being adjudicating, to have that support withdrawn and not reinforced in the time of most need. The university and Ed Ray failed in their charge here, and to me it is obvious they caved to public/donor pressures of what is "right. As far a jc... I have always thought he was the lowest of low... the modern day Geraldo Rivera. I never understood how a supposedly respected news organization put up with his escapades. I never understood how a woman I used to think was a fair and honorable journalist and news reporter could marry the clown. I never understood how a radio station could give him further "voice". But, I also believe in karma... and only hope he never has to endure the pain his numerous irresponsible stories have caused, But, make no mistake, in true jc style if Luke stays he'll try to turn this into a jc story of human interest and overcoming all odds. He never misses a self promotion chance and one to cover his arse on both sides of an issue. He's never wrong, as the biggest hypocrite in the media he eventual takes both sides. The guy is a farce and doesn't even deserve the space given to disrespect him! I mostly agree with you. Luke and the family that supports him probably know that there is no reason to return to OSU. He would gain nothing from a baseball or life perspective. In addition, it sounds like the administration did what they thought was best for their public relations and not what is best for Luke, the team or the greater university. Obviously not knowing any facts about the main actors but it probably was not even best for the girl. Thinking about baseball, Luke has thrown a lot of stressful innings this year and shutting it down for the summer is not a bad thing. I'm very surprised that a team did not draft him sometime after the first five rounds. In my experience more people than not will stand behind and try to help someone who genuinely wants to correct mistakes and live a righteous life. From what we have read over the last week, Heimlich falls into this category. I am hopeful there is a quiet bidding war that is about to start and LH finds a suitor and a $200Kish bonus. We would all be better off if that little o columnist takes a job with a paper in Lubbock, or Little Rock, or Boone, NC or . . . . . Would be interesting to find out if there was any directive from MLB central to discourage teams from drafting him. It wouldn't be the first time there was collusion from the MLB against a player/players. He was listed on the MLBs draftee list, but not even among the top 500 available - he had pretty much been on EVERY top 100 list prior to the Moron article. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 15, 2017 19:19:52 GMT -8
I truly do not think there is any reason for Luke to return to this 'hornets nest'. This will be a much more prevalent story if he stays here and I'm not sure I believe Mr. Ray actually "wants" Luke to return. Or, if Luke even feels like the "university" truly wants him as the student/athlete. Ed Ray and the Athletic department (which I assume are following "orders") have lost my complete respect and $$$ (along with several others who sent in our feelings, although the note has no business in a public forum). One of the main charges of such a fine institution is to support and aide in the success of all students/athletes from all sorts of differing backgrounds. Luke has done nothing while at OSU, nor since being adjudicating, to have that support withdrawn and not reinforced in the time of most need. The university and Ed Ray failed in their charge here, and to me it is obvious they caved to public/donor pressures of what is "right. As far a jc... I have always thought he was the lowest of low... the modern day Geraldo Rivera. I never understood how a supposedly respected news organization put up with his escapades. I never understood how a woman I used to think was a fair and honorable journalist and news reporter could marry the clown. I never understood how a radio station could give him further "voice". But, I also believe in karma... and only hope he never has to endure the pain his numerous irresponsible stories have caused, But, make no mistake, in true jc style if Luke stays he'll try to turn this into a jc story of human interest and overcoming all odds. He never misses a self promotion chance and one to cover his arse on both sides of an issue. He's never wrong, as the biggest hypocrite in the media he eventual takes both sides. The guy is a farce and doesn't even deserve the space given to disrespect him! I mostly agree with you. Luke and the family that supports him probably know that there is no reason to return to OSU. He would gain nothing from a baseball or life perspective. In addition, it sounds like the administration did what they thought was best for their public relations and not what is best for Luke, the team or the greater university. Obviously not knowing any facts about the main actors but it probably was not even best for the girl. Thinking about baseball, Luke has thrown a lot of stressful innings this year and shutting it down for the summer is not a bad thing. I'm very surprised that a team did not draft him sometime after the first five rounds. In my experience more people than not will stand behind and try to help someone who genuinely wants to correct mistakes and live a righteous life. From what we have read over the last week, Heimlich falls into this category. I am hopeful there is a quiet bidding war that is about to start and LH finds a suitor and a $200Kish bonus. We would all be better off if that little o columnist takes a job with a paper in Lubbock, or Little Rock, or Boone, NC or . . . . . On the weird note of the day... the young couple seated next to me on last night's delayed (4+ hours) flight was from... Boone, NC!!! |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 15, 2017 19:28:40 GMT -8
I mostly agree with you. Luke and the family that supports him probably know that there is no reason to return to OSU. He would gain nothing from a baseball or life perspective. In addition, it sounds like the administration did what they thought was best for their public relations and not what is best for Luke, the team or the greater university. Obviously not knowing any facts about the main actors but it probably was not even best for the girl. Thinking about baseball, Luke has thrown a lot of stressful innings this year and shutting it down for the summer is not a bad thing. I'm very surprised that a team did not draft him sometime after the first five rounds. In my experience more people than not will stand behind and try to help someone who genuinely wants to correct mistakes and live a righteous life. From what we have read over the last week, Heimlich falls into this category. I am hopeful there is a quiet bidding war that is about to start and LH finds a suitor and a $200Kish bonus. We would all be better off if that little o columnist takes a job with a paper in Lubbock, or Little Rock, or Boone, NC or . . . . . Would be interesting to find out if there was any directive from MLB central to discourage teams from drafting him. It wouldn't be the first time there was collusion from the MLB against a player/players. He was listed on the MLBs draftee list, but not even among the top 500 available - he had pretty much been on EVERY top 100 list prior to the Moron article. Don't know if there was any directive from MLB Central, but there were poorly constructed "articles" like this one from a hwsnbn wannabe floating around that I am sure the MLB equivalents of Ed Ray would have been scared off by: www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2017/6/12/15774648/luke-heimlich-oregon-mlb-assault-violence-against-women-draftGo Beavers! |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jun 15, 2017 19:52:48 GMT -8
Please refer to a certain bald headed fabricator as "hwsnbn" (he who shall not be named) in the future. Hate it when his name sullys this site 
Would love to see the #15 on the teams hats in Omaha. Wouldn't that poke the bear!
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