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Jan 14, 2016 9:07:46 GMT -8
Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jan 14, 2016 9:07:46 GMT -8
The upper classmen (besides GPII of course) proved last year that they couldn't get it done on the road. Here we go again, they totally disappear on the road. Play them at home, but on the road we might as well just play the freshmen so they can get this road thing figured out. And I agree, play Bruce!!! 100% agree. Btw, love the Jaws reference in your profile lol.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2016 9:23:55 GMT -8
He might be as bad as Collier having zero right hand. He is constantly bringing the ball right to the shot blocker on the right side. I figured a coaches kid would be better with the off hand. With limited lift you have to have both as part of your game. Yup. C'mon guys....how many righties do you see going left with any consistency down low? GP2 isn't throwing up right handed floaters in the lane or anything either. I agree that Tres got way too many shots blocked, but I don't see that as a product of him having no off hand, it's more a product of forcing shots when he should defer to his teammates. His problems are a result of trying to do too much to help the team, not being deficient as a player.
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Jan 14, 2016 9:27:09 GMT -8
Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jan 14, 2016 9:27:09 GMT -8
Plus, if someone besides GP2 was playing a good game, Tres wouldn't need to force it as much. I mean last night was borderline ridiculous w/ how bad most of the upperclassmen played.
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Jan 14, 2016 9:28:39 GMT -8
Post by baseba1111 on Jan 14, 2016 9:28:39 GMT -8
C'mon guys....how many righties do you see going left with any consistency down low? GP2 isn't throwing up right handed floaters in the lane or anything either. I agree that Tres got way too many shots blocked, but I don't see that as a product of him having no off hand, it's more a product of forcing shots when he should defer to his teammates. His problems are a result of trying to do too much to help the team, not being deficient as a player. Watch... he has NO off hand... never said a word about shots getting blocked... he has almost zero (or maybe zero) finishes with his right. AND, most good HS players have both hands at their disposal. All good bigs have some post moves over both shoulders... some better than others. Tres needs to get better in this area... especially having minimal lift for a 6'8" wing.
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Jan 14, 2016 9:36:52 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 14, 2016 9:36:52 GMT -8
I'm with nabeav on this one. How many forwards play well with their off hands, especially freshmen? The other thing a lot of people overlook, Tinkle spent the better part of 5 months sitting on a couch recovering from a broken foot. That he's getting substantial minutes and doing a lot that he does is pretty impressive. It was mentioned on a previous game broadcast he's physically only at about 70% according to someone involved with the team.
Our freshmen look pretty darned good for freshmen, but their inexperience does show when they come up against good experienced teams.
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Jan 14, 2016 9:57:55 GMT -8
Post by nabeav on Jan 14, 2016 9:57:55 GMT -8
You said it yourself - he's a wing, not a post. His game isn't really back to the basket, three feet and in. If that was his game, you bet your sweet bippy he should be able to shoot jump hooks and turn to either hand for a shot. But a majority of his buckets down low come off drives and cuts to the hoop. He's a wing player, and those guys don't spend a whole lot of time working on post moves. Eubanks is the one that needs to work on that stuff, not Tinkle. You let me know the next time Gomis, Schaftenaar, Jarmal, or N'Diaye go left with any proficiency. I just think you're singling out a guy for not having a skill very few players at his position have.
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Jan 14, 2016 10:18:28 GMT -8
Post by baseba1111 on Jan 14, 2016 10:18:28 GMT -8
You said it yourself - he's a wing, not a post. His game isn't really back to the basket, three feet and in. If that was his game, you bet your sweet bippy he should be able to shoot jump hooks and turn to either hand for a shot. But a majority of his buckets down low come off drives and cuts to the hoop. He's a wing player, and those guys don't spend a whole lot of time working on post moves. Eubanks is the one that needs to work on that stuff, not Tinkle. You let me know the next time Gomis, Schaftenaar, Jarmal, or N'Diaye go left with any proficiency. I just think you're singling out a guy for not having a skill very few players at his position have. Not really worth arguing... it's a skill he better have no matter where he plays to be a complete player... he's not getting singled out for anything other than a skill he needs to improve on. For a 6'8" kid who ventures into the lane (whether it's post moves or drives) he gets snuffed a ton... doubles clutches too much... mostly do to the fact he can't adjust to his off hand. It also limits him and any other lefty from having effective moves turning over his left shoulder as they bring the ball directly to the defense. EVERY upper echelon player has at least adequate use of both hands... pretty simple concept... to develop into a complete player otherwise (no matter the position on the floor you get your shots) you are limited in your potential output. Most every elite player... and 4* and above would be expected to have more use of their off hand than Tinks has shown... Teams have already began shading his left hand trying to make him drive and finish left to right. On the right side in the lane you saw Buff defends shade his right shoulder and make him turn over his left. He simply had no counter move. That's the key you have to have a counter to what the D takes away.
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Jan 14, 2016 17:34:39 GMT -8
Post by beavsaregood on Jan 14, 2016 17:34:39 GMT -8
Not disagreeing about Duvivier not starting but I believe he is a junior. I have to think that the freshman are going to start getting more playing time. I've felt that some of the older guys have been starting because of experience and defense, but they just don't seem to be providing much of anything lately. whoops. junior (Duvivier). agree. just improve.
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