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Post by beavadelic on Dec 8, 2017 15:39:21 GMT -8
Cecil Collins got kicked out of LSU for allegations of sexual assault in 1998 so at least 1 coach did more than Riley. I'd never heard of Cecil Collins, so I looked him up: To my knowledge, the OSU football players that assaulted Ms. Tracy had no prior issues. The article goes on to state that Collins would habitually lie to Gerry DiNardo about incidents. Heck the article even states that reporters asked DiNardo why he didn't wait for a conviction to kick him off the team. DiNardo's response: "Is it true that the greatest part of the iceberg is underneath the water?" So yes, Gerry DiNardo kicked him off the team, and good for him. However, I wonder if DiNardo would've kicked him off if he wasn't a habitual liar who had a history of being suspended from his high school team, failed to get academically eligible for the start of the season, failed three drug tests, and then was charged with two separate incidents of sexual violence/intimidation in less than a month. Stop throwing facts at him..he’s made up his mind already.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 8, 2017 15:51:26 GMT -8
Perhaps he's made his mind up because he doesn't have all the facts.
I have no problem with people arguing opinions contrary to my own. @youngorst, I appreciate the fact that you've been able to argue your position with calm, non-inflammatory statements....hell, you even said "respectfully disagree" with me! In my book, that makes you cooler than a large portion of the people who post on here. I apologize for anyone arguing on the same side as me who questions your intelligence, motives, or any other such thing and does so in a derogatory manner. They don't speak for me, and I don't speak for them.
I welcome you to post as often as you'd like.
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Post by calder on Dec 8, 2017 15:53:50 GMT -8
..called angrybeavs. The complete critical meltdown over there is hilarious. Wow, that was hilarious. I can also now confirm that mixing the tears of Riley haters in with your drink is absolutely delicious.
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Post by boiler on Dec 8, 2017 15:57:55 GMT -8
Anyone who wastes their time with the Anti-Riley nonsense is clueless...about Mike Riley the person, and about football and football coaching. OSU has picked a new coach. He wants to be at OSU. He has a solid background in coaching. I believe he deserves the backing of OSU supporters. He knows Mike Riley, and wants his input on his coaching staff.
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Post by seastape on Dec 8, 2017 16:44:29 GMT -8
I have an issue with calling it "irrational" There are plenty of rational reasons to dislike Riley and this hire. Just because you disagree with them doesn't automatically make them irrational. Four2itus beat me to it, but he's spot on and it bears repeating. There are plenty of irrational reasons to dislike Riley, and just because you agree with them doesn't automatically make them rational. Seriously, start listing rational reasons to dislike Riley. I'd like to see them. He's 31-40 in conference play in his last 7 years as head coach, 18-26 his last 5.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 16:57:02 GMT -8
Four2itus beat me to it, but he's spot on and it bears repeating. There are plenty of irrational reasons to dislike Riley, and just because you agree with them doesn't automatically make them rational. Seriously, start listing rational reasons to dislike Riley. I'd like to see them. He's 31-40 in conference play in his last 7 years as head coach, 18-26 his last 5. Irrational!!!!!!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 8, 2017 17:15:02 GMT -8
I guess I missed the part where Riley was hired as our new head coach.
Once the initial hoopla dies down, you won't even know he's here. Until whatever position he's coaching improves dramatically.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 8, 2017 18:56:38 GMT -8
I would love to hear how anything be else would have handled that situation differently in the late ‘90’s. Riley probably did more of his own volition that 95% of the coaches in the country would. We are, after all, living in a country where supposedly people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. With the information MR has - including the fact that charges were dropped - what was he going to do? The benefit of applying present day information to events 20 years ago is not legit. If we want to dislike a coach because of a misstep in their past, good luck finding any candidates. What happened to Brenda Tracy was horrendous. Riley has just a portion of the information at the time. In retrospect it would have been great if he would have been so evolved that he went beyond what anyone else at the time would have done in order to deal justly. Ask Brenda Tracy what she thinks of Mike Riley if you want an accurate read of that man. Where most people are constantly engaged in advanced butt coverage, Riley has done everything possible to make it right. Cecil Collins got kicked out of LSU for allegations of sexual assault in 1998 so at least 1 coach did more than Riley. Cecil Collins was in trouble numerous times at LSU, serving at least 1 suspension for multiple violations of team rules, including failing drug tests three times. Then he was CHARGED with illegal entry and sexual assault on not one but two separate cases. That got him kicked out. He was also found guilty on reduced charges but that was after he'd been let go.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 8, 2017 19:14:22 GMT -8
You didn't hear about it until 2014. Nobody did. That's my point. Public sentiment towards sexual assault victims flipped dramatically in the 16 years between the event and when she went public.....unless you're talking about hearing about two players being accused of rape in 1998 and being upset then. If you were upset in 1998, I can't argue with that. Respect that decision. I'm relatively new to the message board scene, don't know if you've been vocal about Riley being a rape denier for the last twenty years. And I'll admit, I don't remember the incident at all, and I was in school here during that time. Shows how much I paid attention. As far as the "retire a Beaver" stuff. I'm sure he felt that way when he said it. Obviously something changed between then and the time he left for Nebraska. What that was, I don't know. Was it the losing? Was it the increasing fan dislike? Was it something he heard from administration? Was it the Nebraska $$$$? I have no idea. I respectfully disagree. I don't care what public sentiment was at the time. The minute a coach hears his players sexually assaulted someone they should be off the team. I don't care if the charges were dropped and I don't care if it was 1998. I am willing to accept a lot of bad behavior from players, an adult committing sexual assault against anyone is a red line for me. Even if every other coach on the planet would have kept the players, I still have no respect for it. And while I did not know this story in 1998 but I do remember being disgusted and losing all respect for Tom Osborne that Christian Peters was allowed to play at Nebraska and that the NFL rewarded him as a 1st round pick back in the early 90's. And I was in middle school at the time the Peters stuff was going on. So I know where I would have stood when it came to the Brenda Tracy story back in 1998. So... you can hear from the rumor mill, admin, police that an "alleged assault" took place and you kick a kid off... even though there was no charges??? And, you forgot to admit that you did not know about it until 2014 and couple that with the MR anti-sentiment going on at the same time. BUT, that would be irrational? And that, if you actually did read and research the story you'd also see you hold a bigger hard on than the victim herself. And you "defend" one of the most absurd, immature, reckless, worthless message boards... You are on quite a roll. maybe the moniker should be: St. youngorst
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 8, 2017 19:16:52 GMT -8
Cecil Collins got kicked out of LSU for allegations of sexual assault in 1998 so at least 1 coach did more than Riley. I'd never heard of Cecil Collins, so I looked him up: To my knowledge, the OSU football players that assaulted Ms. Tracy had no prior issues. The article goes on to state that Collins would habitually lie to Gerry DiNardo about incidents. Heck the article even states that reporters asked DiNardo why he didn't wait for a conviction to kick him off the team. DiNardo's response: "Is it true that the greatest part of the iceberg is underneath the water?" So yes, Gerry DiNardo kicked him off the team, and good for him. However, I wonder if DiNardo would've kicked him off if he wasn't a habitual liar who had a history of being suspended from his high school team, failed to get academically eligible for the start of the season, failed three drug tests, and then was charged with two separate incidents of sexual violence/intimidation in less than a month. LMAO... love it when BS is confronted! Nice pull, but haters/Styoungorst don't really pay attention to actual facts. They like hearsay and opinion.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 8, 2017 19:17:23 GMT -8
One of the big differences between youngorst and Brenda Tracy is apparently Ms.Tracy actually likes Mike Riley and roots for him. Look it up. Some people can get past hatred.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 8, 2017 19:18:43 GMT -8
He's 31-40 in conference play in his last 7 years as head coach, 18-26 his last 5. Irrational!!!!!!! Correct... as he's not the HC. So not liking him as an asst for his past HC record is just that. You finally get it... ya I know you attempted sarcasm, but it was so easy!
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 8, 2017 19:19:32 GMT -8
One of the big differences between youngorst and Brenda Tracy is apparently Ms.Tracy actually likes Mike Riley and roots for him. Look it up. Some people can get past hatred. "Sinners have a future, Saints have a past"... some just can't figure that out.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Dec 8, 2017 21:13:41 GMT -8
DK - are you criticizing NativeBeav, or youngorst, who brought the political topic up in the first place? Sounds to me a response just to NativeBeav, the responder, not youngorst - the originator... Which seems odd if the goal is what you are trying to keep “politics” out of this.
And youngorst, I’m not trying to pick a fight with you either. You have lots of good posts and are obviously a smart guy. But if we are trying to keep politics out of an excellent Beaver board, shouldn’t both sides keep politics out of it...?
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