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Post by skyrider on Dec 24, 2017 14:29:36 GMT -8
I was not suggesting that Coach Smith adopt the triple option as an offense. My point of mentioning the Army vs San Diego State game was to refute the idea so prevalent on this forum that the Triple Option offense would have no chance against good college football teams and was bound to fail if tried.
Obviously Coach Smith will utilize his background of a balanced offense (run and pass) and I wish him well. In regards to 6 years being arbitrary for a tenure for a new Coach, it will take at least 5 years (including a redshirt year for many of the players) for him to even have his team consist of all his players.
Perhaps I am way off base but as I said in the beginning of this thread, I was amazed at how poor our current talent appears as opposed to the talent on the Fiesta Bowl team that played Notre Dame. I do not see in any way how it would be reasonable to expect many wins at all with the current players.
Go Beavers, thanks for all the replies!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 24, 2017 14:54:25 GMT -8
As far as talent goes, there is probably "talent" hidden on the current team that the new staff will "discover"/utilize better, or at least differently, than the last group did.
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Post by skyrider on Dec 24, 2017 17:00:36 GMT -8
As if, at this point, OSU fans would not give up their right arm to have 5-6 win seasons!
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Post by nexus73 on Dec 24, 2017 17:04:23 GMT -8
Nexus73. I hate to beat a horse to death, but since you said Riley proved himself to be a loser at OSU I would like you to define “loser” in reference to the coaching profession, and also have you point out how many coaches aren’t losers. Riley averaged about 7 wins a season (and that includes his first stint) at a school that had averaged less than 3 over the previous 25 years. In a twelve year span he had four losing seasons. In 12 seasons he took his team to 8 bowl games and 6 bowl wins, again at a school that had a 25 year stretch without a winning season prior to his arrival. That’s 3 bowls every 4 years, a number matched, not beaten, only by 1 coach in the history of that school. As far as Riley’s stint at Nebraska goes, two years two bowls (admittedly he backed his way into the first one). 15 wins in two seasons before the NU AD started messing with the makeup of his coaching staff. At that point it was the AD’s team in large part. Anyway, I will agree that Riley’s stint at Nebraska didn’t go well... but I challenge you to prove your statement “Obviously MR proved to be a loser at OSU over the course of time”. Riley wound up losing and gone at OSU. Riley wound up losing and gone at Nebraska. That seems to be a pretty good definition of loser. MR could not sustain what he started here and he could not improve on the situation at Nebraska, which deteriorated the longer he was there. As for the reasons/excuses you give, if those are the cards you want to play, then I can't help you. It is all about the W's, no excuses accepted, when you're collecting the Big Dinero to coach major college ball. I see it as the Peter Principle in action. You want MR as a QB coach or to work out O-schemes? Yes, he'll do well. HC? Not so much. He's on a two team losing streak in that position and that is not about the overall record, it is about a program's trajectory. Some coaches take a team to the next level. MR's your guy for HC if you want to go down a level.
You can go ahead and point out the successful coaches. I think you have enough on the ball to do that. It's a small list. The rest are just hanging in there waiting to be fired sooner or later for that is the nature of the beast.
Anyways, I think MR will wind up in the proper position and even multiple positions over the course of time he is on JS's staff. He is a team player and can lend a hand on O, D and special teams, to which there has to still be some magic in the "nice guy" act when it comes to recruiting.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 24, 2017 17:08:23 GMT -8
Army does not run the triple option.
I never viewed Dennis Erickson as a loser, but he must have been. Failed with the 49ers, Failed at Idaho. Failed at ASU. A three-team losing streak.
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Post by justdamwin on Dec 24, 2017 18:42:46 GMT -8
Army does not run the triple option. I never viewed Dennis Erickson as a loser, but he must have been. Failed with the 49ers, Failed at Idaho. Failed at ASU. A three-team losing streak. Thank you Army runs a speed option: Two major keys to the definition 1-the edge is blocked not optioned 2- the set is not wishbone |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 24, 2017 19:01:52 GMT -8
As if, at this point, OSU fans would not give up their right arm to have 5-6 win seasons! Not this OSU fan. |
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Post by seastape on Dec 24, 2017 21:50:42 GMT -8
As if, at this point, OSU fans would not give up their right arm to have 5-6 win seasons! The only 5-6 season I was ever happy with was Riley I's second year...it was the best season in almost 30 years and gave us hope that our long national nightmare was almost over. I will most likely be happy with another 5-6 season (actually, 6-6 or 5-7 nowadays) if it happens soon in the Smith era and seems to be a sign that we are moving beyond Andersen's mess. Otherwise, no. Most Beaver fans would not be happy with consistent 5-6 seasons. |
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Post by nexus73 on Dec 25, 2017 9:05:27 GMT -8
Riley wound up losing and gone at OSU. Riley wound up losing and gone at Nebraska. That seems to be a pretty good definition of loser.
Riley left OSU for Nebraska (and for a sizeable pay raise). He wasn't fired from OSU. Gone...left. Same difference.
Have a Merry Christmas, Catholic or Orthodox dating...LOL!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 25, 2017 10:03:51 GMT -8
Gone...left. Same difference.
No. Leaving for a higher paying job is very different than being fired. I suspect most of us would be OK with being called a loser for getting a 700k-900k raise |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 27, 2017 14:08:23 GMT -8
Riley left OSU for Nebraska (and for a sizeable pay raise). He wasn't fired from OSU. Gone...left. Same difference.
Have a Merry Christmas, Catholic or Orthodox dating...LOL!
Actually, Christmas is celebrated throughout the world from the 25th through the 19th of January. Almost all churches celebrate Christmas on December 25, but most of the Orthodox Churches still use the Julian Calendar, so their Christmas is celebrated on January 7th. The Armenian Church celebrates Christmas on January 6th, a date that most of the other churches celebrate as the Epiphany. The Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem still uses the Julian calendar, so they will celebrate Christmas on January 19th. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 14:34:28 GMT -8
Gone...left. Same difference.
Have a Merry Christmas, Catholic or Orthodox dating...LOL!
Actually, Christmas is celebrated throughout the world from the 25th through the 19th of January. Almost all churches celebrate Christmas on December 25, but most of the Orthodox Churches still use the Julian Calendar, so their Christmas is celebrated on January 7th. The Armenian Church celebrates Christmas on January 6th, a date that most of the other churches celebrate as the Epiphany. The Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem still uses the Julian calendar, so they will celebrate Christmas on January 19th.  |
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Post by prothro on Dec 27, 2017 15:40:47 GMT -8
Army does not run the triple option. I never viewed Dennis Erickson as a loser, but he must have been. Failed with the 49ers, Failed at Idaho. Failed at ASU. A three-team losing streak. Thank you Army runs a speed option: Two major keys to the definition 1-the edge is blocked not optioned 2- the set is not wishbone I like how Monken uses the unbalanced line and the lead option to protect his quarterback on the running plays. The I-option and the classic wishbone became obsolete the minute defenses figured out they could hit the quarterback every time he carried the football whether he pitched it or not. This is a good article detailing some of the things Monken is doing at West Point: www.elevenwarriors.com/college-football/film-study/2017/06/83026/film-study-armys-flexbone-offense-gives-defenses-more-to-worry-about-than-just-the-triple-optionThe absolute beauty of the college game is the amount of offensive innovation taking place at all levels. If you are going to run the option, then the trick is finding a way to allow your field general to run it without getting him killed. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 27, 2017 17:07:51 GMT -8
If Bradshaw would have been anything other than an absolutely dreadful passer, Army's offense really could have been spectacular. He couldn't hit the Hudson from the bank.
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