EOBeav
Freshman
Posts: 499
Grad Year: 1989, 2002
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Post by EOBeav on Dec 26, 2017 11:05:34 GMT -8
It's telling of our 2017 season that the player we're talking most about right now played for another team. Personally, I was positive GA was going to name 3M the starter going into the season. McMaryion had paid his dues and earned that spot. I questioned it when GA gave the nod to Luton, but figured he knew what he was doing. It didn't take much past the first game for me to realize how vastly far apart the skills were for both of those players. GA had made a horrible decision.
3M won't be in the NFL. That's not to say that he won't have a terrific college career when it's all said and done. This is the aftermath of the GA years, the lowest point in Oregon State Football history. And I attended in the 80's. Coach JSmith has a mop up just to do before he can even think about a winning program.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 12:16:07 GMT -8
Deja vu. Once again, the seasons you listed for DA and Moore were their first in Riley’s system. It did not take them 4 years to learn it. I understand it was DAs and Moore's first years under Riley...I stated that. I'm just trying to compare Marcus' success under Tedford with only being under his play calling and tuteledge for about 6 months. Trying to compare similar time frames. It's worth noting that the WAC (err.. Mountain West Conference) is flat-out terrible these days. UNLV was third in their division with a 5-7 record.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 12:39:16 GMT -8
not that I want to disparage anything that McMaryion did, I'm super happy for the guy and I wish him the best. I think he got a raw deal at Oregon State, so it's nice to see him play well. He had a much better opportunity with Fresno than he would have had at Oregon State, for many reasons.. and one of them is definitely strength of schedule.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 27, 2017 12:50:40 GMT -8
I understand it was DAs and Moore's first years under Riley...I stated that. I'm just trying to compare Marcus' success under Tedford with only being under his play calling and tuteledge for about 6 months. Trying to compare similar time frames. It's worth noting that the WAC (err.. Mountain West Conference) is flat-out terrible these days. UNLV was third in their division with a 5-7 record. The Mountain West had 3 teams that beat Pac 12 schools this year, in a case or two pretty handily. BSU beat oregon and lost a squeaker to WSU in triple overtime. SDSU beat both ASU and Stanford. Fresno State beat all 3 of those MWC teams at some point. I'm hard pressed to call their league flat-out terrible when they're beating our league in head to head games.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 27, 2017 13:02:22 GMT -8
I understand it was DAs and Moore's first years under Riley...I stated that. I'm just trying to compare Marcus' success under Tedford with only being under his play calling and tuteledge for about 6 months. Trying to compare similar time frames. It's worth noting that the WAC (err.. Mountain West Conference) is flat-out terrible these days. UNLV was third in their division with a 5-7 record. Still, Fresno State is only the second team to transition from double-digit losses to double digit wins in a single season, and they did it playing two top 10 teams. If not for one of the dumbest tiebreaker systems that I have witnessed (Boise awarded the Mountain West Championship Game over Fresno, despite the Broncos losing by 11 points to the Bulldogs the week before), Fresno State would be the biggest single-season turnaround in the history of college football. As for conference strength, the Mountain West's third-best team, San Diego State, beat both the Pac-12's second- and fifth-best team. And the Bulldogs beat the Aztecs by 24 points on the road. To add to that, the Mountain West's fifth best team beat Oregon State by 31 points.
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EOBeav
Freshman
Posts: 499
Grad Year: 1989, 2002
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Post by EOBeav on Dec 27, 2017 13:43:47 GMT -8
To add to that, the Mountain West's fifth best team beat Oregon State by 31 points. This is all you need to know about the state of Beaver football in 2017. Just one reason why program morale has been down. A reason why we've needed not just a new head coach, but one that can give the promise and hope of returning us to competitiveness and respectability. Not just in the conference, but throughout the nation. I believe we have that in Coach Jonathan Smith. Already, he's been able to make some impressive staff hires. Now, the real work begins. Recruiting. Re-recruiting current players. Watching film. Shaking hands with donors and prominent alumni. Getting ready for spring ball. All of which might or might not generate much news that we will talk about on the message boards. So between now and when we have more to talk about, we're going to lament former players doing well at other schools. We're going to speculate the reasons that might or might not have been behind the sudden exit of our former coach. We're going to piss on each other disagreeing about any number of nuanced perspectives over the last three years. What gives me great hope right now is that we have a group of coaches loaded with considerable, successful D1 experience working behind the scenes so we can have a proud program again. At this time next year, we're not going to be talking about former players or coaches, what they're doing or not doing during the bowl season. We're going to be talking about great plays we saw over the season. Growth from promising young players and who we think are the rising young stars of the program. Did you see that catch that Cooks made, and what team is Nall going to wind up with, anyway? That's what we're going to be talking about a year from now.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 14:25:10 GMT -8
It's worth noting that the WAC (err.. Mountain West Conference) is flat-out terrible these days. UNLV was third in their division with a 5-7 record. The Mountain West had 3 teams that beat Pac 12 schools this year, in a case or two pretty handily. BSU beat oregon and lost a squeaker to WSU in triple overtime. SDSU beat both ASU and Stanford. Fresno State beat all 3 of those MWC teams at some point. I'm hard pressed to call their league flat-out terrible when they're beating our league in head to head games. It's the same as the WAC ever was, kind of like the state of that league when Hawaii managed the turnaround in 98-99. A couple teams that are capable of playing on the same field as a P5 school "on any given Saturday" when they are well-coached, and the rest of the division is flat out bad. There's one or two games where the mid-major programs meet. It used to be Boise and Fresno with Hawaii and Nevada creeping in, now it's Boise and Fresno with SDSU and CSU creeping in (Nevada and Hawaii are currently unmitigated train wrecks).
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 14:30:54 GMT -8
All that being said, I'm not trying to necessarily poopoo the accomplishment.
Tedford is a hell of a coach, frankly what he has done is damn impressive. I've not been a huge fan of his all along, sort of grudging respect at best (relatively speaking) and serious schadenfreude was had over the Great Clipboard Slam in Berkeley. During the discussions about who to hire for a Head Coach at OSU when his name was brought up my reaction was a mental shrug and sigh "well.. if that's the best we can do I guess.." - but I think as the evidence pours in, it seems more like we should only be so lucky to have CJS be as good a coach as Tedford.
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