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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 9, 2018 0:01:30 GMT -8
When you have success others will take interest in your assistants, system, and recruits. Part of the reason why it was so hard for us to sustain success here was because bigger name programs started paying attention to our unheralded recruits and offering them too after realizing our coaches had a good eye for talent. Tedford at Cal was one of the biggest offenders.
Last year sdtr hired WSU's defensive line coach away from them. Now WSU losses their DC Alex Grinch to tOSU. Credit where credit is due, Leach has done a great job of finding and hiring assistants who become wanted by other programs. You also have to give him some credit that his tone/leadership directly helped them become successful as well.
There's different ways to look at how assistants can best help your program. What's the best course for Beaver Football's short and long term success? Is it assistants who are happy to be surrounded by the guys they are coaching with and want to work with them to leave their mark on a program. Or is it better to have assistants who are looking to earn their way to a bigger, "better", place.
Another thing Leach has done that's worth considering, when his assistants weren't getting the job done he wasn't hesitant to let them go and hire someone new. With the right leadership at the top programs are successful even with hight turnover in the assistant ranks, lots of examples of that. On the other hand there's a value to having stability in personnel, a family atmosphere, at a place like OSU since developing players and getting them to give their all out effort is even more critical to our success than programs who can attract better talent up front.
Whatever the case might be for us in the future with assistants, establishing a system and identity with a strong leader at the top will be the key to success whether assistant coaches stay for the long haul or not.
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Post by EOBeav on Jan 9, 2018 7:31:36 GMT -8
I think you make some good points in here. The knock on MR in his later years as HC was that he was too loyal to his coordinators and those directly under him. He had created a culture of a family atmosphere throughout the program, and that meant not giving up on them when times were down. It will be interesting to see how CJSmith creates that same family atmosphere while holding his assistants accountable throughout the process.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2018 9:14:58 GMT -8
I think you make some good points in here. The knock on MR in his later years as HC was that he was too loyal to his coordinators and those directly under him. He had created a culture of a family atmosphere throughout the program, and that meant not giving up on them when times were down. It will be interesting to see how CJSmith creates that same family atmosphere while holding his assistants accountable throughout the process. At one point we had the longest-tenured staff in the conference and frankly, we were all very proud of this continuity. I'm not so sure that it's a good thing all the time. Every few years, I think you need fresh blood and fresh ideas. Bellotti was good at this, bringing in new coaches and ideas. Eventually it cost him his job, lol.. but I still think it was a strength of his.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 9, 2018 9:19:19 GMT -8
Since Smith is mainly associated with Coach Pete at UW, take a look at how he treats/manages/maintains assistants and I think you'll find the process CJS will try to emulate.
I'm not an expert but CCP seems to have loyalty to assistants and usually only loses them to other jobs ie upward mobility.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2018 9:58:54 GMT -8
Since Smith is mainly associated with Coach Pete at UW, take a look at how he treats/manages/maintains assistants and I think you'll find the process CJS will try to emulate. I'm not an expert but CCP seems to have loyalty to assistants and usually only loses them to other jobs ie upward mobility. I haven't followed Pete closely enough to know how he treats/manages/maintains assistants. Got any insight to offer?
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 9, 2018 10:04:53 GMT -8
Since Smith is mainly associated with Coach Pete at UW, take a look at how he treats/manages/maintains assistants and I think you'll find the process CJS will try to emulate. I'm not an expert but CCP seems to have loyalty to assistants and usually only loses them to other jobs ie upward mobility. I haven't followed Pete closely enough to know how he treats/manages/maintains assistants. Got any insight to offer? Not really other than the second sentence of my post. Did you miss it? LOL.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2018 10:45:43 GMT -8
haha fair enough.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2018 11:49:41 GMT -8
I haven't followed Pete closely enough to know how he treats/manages/maintains assistants. Got any insight to offer? Not really other than the second sentence of my post. Did you miss it? LOL. But, it was a long first sentence! And, since we are not to have super high expectations for our teams, I'm excusing our fans. *although it was the start of the next paragraph! Damn... is that still too much to expect? 😉
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 9, 2018 12:55:57 GMT -8
Not really other than the second sentence of my post. Did you miss it? LOL. But, it was a long first sentence! And, since we are not to have super high expectations for our teams, I'm excusing our fans. *although it was the start of the next paragraph! Damn... is that still too much to expect? 😉 in my defense, typically "I'm not an expert" does not equate to "I do not have any information at all"
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Post by maximumbeaver on Jan 9, 2018 17:52:43 GMT -8
Since Smith is mainly associated with Coach Pete at UW, take a look at how he treats/manages/maintains assistants and I think you'll find the process CJS will try to emulate. I'm not an expert but CCP seems to have loyalty to assistants and usually only loses them to other jobs ie upward mobility. Peterson has fired many assistants that didn’t work out. I know for a fact he has fired coaches at Boise State and fired a long time assistant/friend that followed him to UW from BSU.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 9, 2018 22:35:42 GMT -8
Since Smith is mainly associated with Coach Pete at UW, take a look at how he treats/manages/maintains assistants and I think you'll find the process CJS will try to emulate. I'm not an expert but CCP seems to have loyalty to assistants and usually only loses them to other jobs ie upward mobility. Peterson has fired many assistants that didn’t work out. I know for a fact he has fired coaches at Boise State and fired a long time assistant/friend that followed him to UW from BSU. Who has he fired at UW that followed him from Boise?
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 10, 2018 11:20:45 GMT -8
Peterson has fired many assistants that didn’t work out. I know for a fact he has fired coaches at Boise State and fired a long time assistant/friend that followed him to UW from BSU. Who has he fired at UW that followed him from Boise? I'm thinking that he's referring to Chris Strausser, who was a longtime Boise assistant under Pete. The official story is that he left to take a job with the Denver Broncos, but he was an assistant head coach and OL coach at UW under Pete and left to take a job as an assistant OL coach with the Broncos. Probably not considered a promotion.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 10, 2018 12:01:50 GMT -8
Who has he fired at UW that followed him from Boise? I'm thinking that he's referring to Chris Strausser, who was a longtime Boise assistant under Pete. The official story is that he left to take a job with the Denver Broncos, but he was an assistant head coach and OL coach at UW under Pete and left to take a job as an assistant OL coach with the Broncos. Probably not considered a promotion. Isn't every coach an "Assistant Head Coach" now days? Hell, GA is at Utah! What's that really mean anyway?
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Post by bennyorange on Jan 10, 2018 12:04:25 GMT -8
Isn't every coach an "Assistant Head Coach" now days? Hell, GA is at Utah! What's that really mean anyway? I assuming it means "more money" !!!
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 10, 2018 12:36:53 GMT -8
I'm thinking that he's referring to Chris Strausser, who was a longtime Boise assistant under Pete. The official story is that he left to take a job with the Denver Broncos, but he was an assistant head coach and OL coach at UW under Pete and left to take a job as an assistant OL coach with the Broncos. Probably not considered a promotion. Isn't every coach an "Assistant Head Coach" now days? Hell, GA is at Utah! What's that really mean anyway? I think it's just an honorary, but it does seem to equate to an increase in responsibilities.
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