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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 16, 2018 17:42:29 GMT -8
I'm fine with the grades he assigned which came with the disclaimer it's not a prediction of future success.
Yes it's also a filler article by a writer trying to find something to write about so to be take with a grain of salt to begin with, however I got the impression he was implying Baldwin would have received a higher grade. Hmm, the OC of last years P12 Champion versus the OC of an improved, but still underwhelming Cal team. Sure Baldwin has HC experience and that is definitely valuable. JS on the other hand has more P5 experience on the recruiting and coaching front and that's equally as valuable to jump starting a program left on life support by the former HC.
Anyhow it's something to comment on, but nothing to get worked up over one way or the other.
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Post by nforkbeav on Jan 16, 2018 21:48:28 GMT -8
I'm fine with the grades he assigned which came with the disclaimer it's not a prediction of future success. Yes it's also a filler article by a writer trying to find something to write about so to be take with a grain of salt to begin with, however I got the impression he was implying Baldwin would have received a higher grade. Hmm, the OC of last years P12 Champion versus the OC of an improved, but still underwhelming Cal team. Sure Baldwin has HC experience and that is definitely valuable. JS on the other hand has more P5 experience on the recruiting and coaching front and that's equally as valuable to jump starting a program left on life support by the former HC. Anyhow it's something to comment on, but nothing to get worked up over one way or the other. His reasoning for the $uck$ hire was 100% spot-on, though. There are plenty of sdtr fans who agree with him too. I don't know enough about their new guy to say he's destined to fail or not. What I do know is, they've spent a fortune buying and creating an image that became branded during the Kelly era. This marks their 4th coach over a 6 year span and nothing about him appears to align at all with the brand they spent so much developing. It looks much more like a damage control hire than the right hire and in a couple years most graduating high school seniors won't have much if any recollection of the Kelly era success. Scott Frost as a HC had done as good if not a better job of coaching to their brand/identity than Kelly. I can't believe they didn't offer him the head job last year, or after Kelly left them to begin with. He's the obvious choice. So maybe they did offer and he wasn't interested?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 5:33:44 GMT -8
Jon blowcheese grades other Jons:
B+ Honey bucket. They're everywhere, gotta like that. A- Willy Makeit. Cool name that you always appreciate while you eliminate. Because you made it. A+ Schultz Clearwater. Always clean, always fresh. F Jon Wilner..does the opposite of what a porta potty does. Just constantly spews garbage.
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Post by EOBeav on Jan 17, 2018 5:43:12 GMT -8
While I can't disagree with his reasons given, it's too bad he couldn't have gone a little more in-depth besides comparing him to a inferior OC and reminding us the CJSmith played at OSU.
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Post by nexus73 on Jan 17, 2018 9:25:51 GMT -8
JS will likely wind up being the best hire from this crop of new Pac-12 coaches. The others have higher expectations to deliver on. JS doesn't. Having time on one's side helps a coach's career last longer at one place. Kelly is the HC with the best rep so he'll get the most pub but the curse of the Bruins, where they can't seem to get it all together, looks likely to settle in, amplified by facing better UW, USC and Stanford teams plus dealing with others at or close to the same level. That's not a recipe for a Top Ten finish so color the Chipster gone after three seasons or so IMO.
In the meantime. JS could go 0-12 next year and so long as the team shows some fight in it, he stays. The second year is likely one with a losing season. No biggie so long as some light at the end of the tunnel is seen. Year 3 is when OSU needs to be competitive but that could mean a record with as few as 4 wins or as many as 8 depending on the breaks. Year 4 the expectation is a minor bowl at a minimum. Following that rise, the expectations rise and the clock begins to tick with every disappointment. By that time, JS could very well be the last man standing from the current group of Pac-12 hires.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 9:30:18 GMT -8
JS will likely wind up being the best hire from this crop of new Pac-12 coaches. The others have higher expectations to deliver on. JS doesn't. Having time on one's side helps a coach's career last longer at one place. Kelly is the HC with the best rep so he'll get the most pub but the curse of the Bruins, where they can't seem to get it all together, looks likely to settle in, amplified by facing better UW, USC and Stanford teams plus dealing with others at or close to the same level. That's not a recipe for a Top Ten finish so color the Chipster gone after three seasons or so IMO. In the meantime. JS could go 0-12 next year and so long as the team shows some fight in it, he stays. The second year is likely one with a losing season. No biggie so long as some light at the end of the tunnel is seen. Year 3 is when OSU needs to be competitive but that could mean a record with as few as 4 wins or as many as 8 depending on the breaks. Year 4 the expectation is a minor bowl at a minimum. Following that rise, the expectations rise and the clock begins to tick with every disappointment. By that time, JS could very well be the last man standing from the current group of Pac-12 hires. no 0-12. Don't think it don't say it. I mean From now on.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 17, 2018 12:05:22 GMT -8
JS will likely wind up being the best hire from this crop of new Pac-12 coaches. The others have higher expectations to deliver on. JS doesn't. Having time on one's side helps a coach's career last longer at one place. Kelly is the HC with the best rep so he'll get the most pub but the curse of the Bruins, where they can't seem to get it all together, looks likely to settle in, amplified by facing better UW, USC and Stanford teams plus dealing with others at or close to the same level. That's not a recipe for a Top Ten finish so color the Chipster gone after three seasons or so IMO. In the meantime. JS could go 0-12 next year and so long as the team shows some fight in it, he stays. The second year is likely one with a losing season. No biggie so long as some light at the end of the tunnel is seen. Year 3 is when OSU needs to be competitive but that could mean a record with as few as 4 wins or as many as 8 depending on the breaks. Year 4 the expectation is a minor bowl at a minimum. Following that rise, the expectations rise and the clock begins to tick with every disappointment. By that time, JS could very well be the last man standing from the current group of Pac-12 hires. no 0-12. Don't think it don't say it. I mean From now on. 2-10 was unacceptable in 2015 for me... Gary Andersen left this team 10x worse than Riley left it. Even so, 2-10 would be unacceptable for me from Smith and I think Smith would think it unacceptable. any halfway competent coach, outside some extreme circumstances, should be able to cobble together 4 wins in any given year. Despite the raging dumpster fire our program was left in, there are enough solid pieces that I think CJS can put together a pretty eyebrow raising campaign. I am all aboard the Coach Smitty Hype train. He is going to turn a whole lot of heads next year.
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Post by nexus73 on Jan 17, 2018 12:10:55 GMT -8
Odds are we can win one or two games in 2018 but between injuries, bad calls and bounces going the wrong way, things could get rougher than they need to be. The first year for JS is a gimme, the free space on a bingo card so to speak.
When you're flat on your back, everything looks up...LOL!
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2018 12:21:17 GMT -8
Jon blowcheese grades other Jons: B+ Honey bucket. They're everywhere, gotta like that. A- Willy Makeit. Cool name that you always appreciate while you eliminate. Because you made it. A+ Schultz Clearwater. Always clean, always fresh. F Jon Wilner..does the opposite of what a porta potty does. Just constantly spews garbage. I don't always agree with your posts, but invariably they make me chuckle out loud.
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 17, 2018 14:22:30 GMT -8
His reasoning for the $uck$ hire was 100% spot-on, though. There are plenty of sdtr fans who agree with him too. I don't know enough about their new guy to say he's destined to fail or not. What I do know is, they've spent a fortune buying and creating an image that became branded during the Kelly era. This marks their 4th coach over a 6 year span and nothing about him appears to align at all with the brand they spent so much developing. It looks much more like a damage control hire than the right hire and in a couple years most graduating high school seniors won't have much if any recollection of the Kelly era success. Scott Frost as a HC had done as good if not a better job of coaching to their brand/identity than Kelly. I can't believe they didn't offer him the head job last year, or after Kelly left them to begin with. He's the obvious choice. So maybe they did offer and he wasn't interested? I view the Cristobal hiring as 100% about retaining the present “all world” recruiting class. I feel like the deep pockets in duckville saw their vaunted recruiting class rapidly unraveling (the worst thing for publicity whores is to get attention for what is going wrong) and moved to stop the bleeding. Cristobal and several assistants have stellar recruiting reps, so they may continue getting splashy classes in the future. The key question is can these guys COACH? Outside of the D Coordinator, I’m not sure. Lea it is a great coach and recruiter. The money they’ve ponied up for him is staggering ($1.7 million/year). He makes almost as much as OSU’s HEAD Coach. No way we can compete financially with that insanity. We just have to hope that a lot of these hires are mediocre or worse teachers, and that JS and his staff can embody the ethic of Rueck and Casey in building something special. We do bake sales to upgrade facilities while benefactors write million dollar checks like candy at many other schools. Great teaching and the right athletes help level the field, and success helps bring better talent. Not to scoff at the importance of recruiting, but we’ll have to win before we upgrade in that area significantly. I’m optimistic that we have as good of a staff in place to get that going as we could have hoped for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 15:29:58 GMT -8
Lets hope the JS hire is a B. Certainly beaver nation loved him as a player and he will get a long leash as a coach. He must be a pretty coach if Peterson hired him twice. I actually think he may end up being a better head coach than OC. A high football IQ, balanced, wont micro manage and likeable. For the most part, he appears to have put a decent staff together given the compensation constraints. But if anyone is going to be happy with an 0-12 season with the mighty Southern Utah thunderbirds coming into Reser I would set your expectations a little higher. Nevada is a winnable game but wont be a cake walk given the current state of our program and I think we get one Pac 12 surprise win. 3 plus wins next year is achievable, 4+ year 2 and even money year 3 with a minor bowl. Consistently competitive beyond that to the point we have a tough time holding on to JS.
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Post by EOBeav on Jan 17, 2018 16:27:40 GMT -8
Lest we forget, several coaches now on this staff left established Power 5 programs to come work for CJSmith. It wasn't for the money, it wasn't for the chance to work at a school that gets top recruits year in and year out. It wasn't even for the name recognition. They just see something there in him that many of the sports writers don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 16:40:35 GMT -8
Jon blowcheese grades other Jons: B+ Honey bucket. They're everywhere, gotta like that. A- Willy Makeit. Cool name that you always appreciate while you eliminate. Because you made it. A+ Schultz Clearwater. Always clean, always fresh. F Jon Wilner..does the opposite of what a porta potty does. Just constantly spews garbage. I don't always agree with your posts, but invariably they make me chuckle out loud. Thanks OA. Now about those hundreds of my posts you deleted on that beaver board i wont mention...
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 17, 2018 17:24:02 GMT -8
I don't always agree with your posts, but invariably they make me chuckle out loud. Thanks OA. Now about those hundreds of my posts you deleted on that beaver board i wont mention... I'll tell you a little secret... I never deleted anything while I was a mod, lol. It usually had to be porn or something to cause me to react. In fact, I never really did anything with my mod powers except abuse my mod powers to screw with people. I did all my moderation through social means, using tools like shame and ridicule. It's like my medium of choice. The people who did all the deleting were shadow mods who never posted and actually had no attachment to Oregon State whatsoever.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 17, 2018 20:31:19 GMT -8
Thanks OA. Now about those hundreds of my posts you deleted on that beaver board i wont mention... I'll tell you a little secret... I never deleted anything while I was a mod, lol. It usually had to be porn or something to cause me to react. In fact, I never really did anything with my mod powers except abuse my mod powers to screw with people. I did all my moderation through social means, using tools like shame and ridicule. It's like my medium of choice. The people who did all the deleting were shadow mods who never posted and actually had no attachment to Oregon State whatsoever. Barry f%#*ing Bolton
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