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Post by skyrider on Jan 28, 2018 5:44:12 GMT -8
I am having difficulty determining exactly why Kat Tudor's scoring per game varies so widely. She will go from a 30 point game to a game where she scores zero. She is a tremendous shooter from three point range so that is a given.
Some possible explanations might be:
(a) the offense is structured in such a way that her only real role in it is to shoot 3 pointers and when the other team defends her against that by attaching a player to her like glue, she is shut down.
(b) She lacks other skills (i.e. mid-range jump shot off the dribble, cross over dribbling skills, strong drives to the basket, tear drop type shots near the basket). Jamie Weisner (sp?) was so great as a consistent offensive threat because she complimented her excellent three point shooting with so many other offensive skills.
(c) Perhaps Kat, although being an excellent player in many ways, does just not have the ability to do more than be a spot up three point shooter. However in some ways that does not make sense because she has become a decent rebounder and defender so clearly she has shown she can improve her skills.
Would like input from the "basketball experts" who participate on this site.
Thank you!
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Post by 411500 on Jan 28, 2018 7:23:07 GMT -8
I'm glad you posted your comments about KT because I'm one of those who is equally perplexed by her up/down scoring productivity.
Unfortunately, I have not seen enough live games to know what's what with her overall game.
A few general observations, however.
(1) Coach R obviously has a LOT of confidence in Kat's overall game because she earns so many minutes - even when she is not scoring.
(2) She's lengthy, has good floor speed, plays pretty good defense (even by Rueck's standards) and she rebounds well. She is a very solid player.
(3) Back in November, and since, I have been pointing out that Kat has very limited penetrate, shoot and score skills. She showed some good attack skills against Oregon, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.
So, skrider, like you, I'd like to hear some other thoughts on Kat's game - especially those who get to watch her every other week at Gill.
From the Utah game an interesting stat: Pivec, Tudor & Goodman combine for ONE 3 pointer, yet the Beavs, as a team, score 69. For a road game that's very impressive. At least to me.
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 28, 2018 7:48:19 GMT -8
It's not lack of versatility. Kat can drive to the rim just fine - I think that only Mik is better on this team. (Yes, I think she's better than Taylor - TK has a quicker first step, but Kat finishes better.) Her activity is determined largely by what the other teams are keying on, defensively. And, obviously, on Scott's game plan.
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Post by skyrider on Jan 28, 2018 8:24:13 GMT -8
bennyskid,
Thanks for the input! As good a scorer as she often is, it is hard to understand how other teams "keying" on her explains games where she scores zero points and perhaps only takes a couple of shots in 30 plus minutes of play.
Also does not seem to be logical that Scott would be devising a game plan where his best shooter does not take shots.
Perhaps the fact that she does not have the ferocious drive and determination of a Jamie Weisner enters into the equation. However she actually is probably ahead of Jamie at this point in her career in term of points scored.
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Post by 411500 on Jan 28, 2018 9:09:41 GMT -8
Just a few minor comments --
I disagree with bennyskid comment that "Kat can drive to the rim just fine." If she can, she doesn't do it.
It would take some film research to confirm this, but I'd bet that Kat has not scored attacking the rim even once per game this season.
Her on-court performance hardly matches a wing player who can drive to the basket and score.
I'm a big KT fan but to say she can drive and score simply doesn't match what she actually does on the court.
KT is, at this stage of her development, is a "shooter" rather than a "scorer."
These are not precise terms, obviously, but a "scorer" usually refers to a player who can score when she does not have a good shot, when she is well defended, when she must create or invent her own shot, when she gets garbage points and unexpected offensive rebounds that she turns into points. Count the number of times this season that this kind of scoring applies to Katie. Very few.
Coach has been working all year into making Katie a shooter AND a scorer.
They both still have a lot of work to do. A long way yet to go.
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by lefty on Jan 28, 2018 9:17:06 GMT -8
Maybe its just me, but I've noticed she has a odd release on the ball. It appears as if it is almost a two handed release instead of the typical "gooseneck" release. Its very effective when she has room, ie 3 pointer, but not on an immediate shot where she is being closed defended. Syd had an unusual shooting form on her shot and Syd did just fine although it was totally different than Kat'S form.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 28, 2018 9:28:23 GMT -8
I’m not worried about Kat.
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Post by skyrider on Jan 28, 2018 9:44:31 GMT -8
Squonk,
She is a fine player and has become steadily better. However I believe for this team to win a tournament game or two this year, will require someone else stepping up as a "scorer" other than Marie.
Katie Mac seemed to me to be the one most physically qualified to do that but it is clear that is not in her "DNA". She just vanishes offensively in most games.
Kat seems like the most likely candidate with her proven ability to score a large number of points on numerous occasions.
Go Beavers!
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 28, 2018 10:04:49 GMT -8
Kat averages exactly two 2-pt attempts per game, and converts 55% of them. Most of those are drives. Only Marie and Jo convert a higher percentage.
So it's not lack of skill.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 28, 2018 10:05:52 GMT -8
In general OSU takes the shots that they deem open. If a team is defending the 3 then OSU doesn't take it unless they get behind and then they bomb away to try to catch up. I think Kat has good form but she tends to be a little slow in deciding to make the shot sometimes, which gives the defenders time to catch up to her. When she has made a couple of shots she seems to be willing to let the shots go more quickly.
A- Depends on the defense the other team is running.
B- She needs to build up her self confidence so she can just shoot and not overthink.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 28, 2018 10:36:29 GMT -8
In general OSU takes the shots that they deem open. If a team is defending the 3 then OSU doesn't take it unless they get behind and then they bomb away to try to catch up. I think Kat has good form but she tends to be a little slow in deciding to make the shot sometimes, which gives the defenders time to catch up to her. When she has made a couple of shots she seems to be willing to let the shots go more quickly. A- Depends on the defense the other team is running. B- She needs to build up her self confidence so she can just shoot and not overthink. Kat has a quick release... but, truly atrocious form in the truest sense of how you teach kids to shoot correctly. She is very "two-handed". It typically develops from little tykes trying to shoot at a 10' basket and needing the extra 'umph'. However, unless mechanically so incorrect as to cause injury... as in a pitcher's mechanics... typically I believe if it "aint broke don't fix it"... AKA see Mr Fultz and the 76er's. Kat will always be streaky... scorer, shooter... whatever the label she doesn't have pure form that leads to consistency. She also is far more athletic than she allows herself to be. She doesn't punish the D for overplaying the three ball, but has made some very athletic drives to the hoops. One in particular in the first CW game. I think she feels more comfy with a quick release three, and will develop a more complete game. Right now she seems to have to think/react a little too much to try and decide what to do. Kat basically is just now getting her first significant minutes, so really is just now getting a chance to develop her skills in game action. Without game action you never develop true confidence... she's getting there. She'll be fine. |
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Post by ag87 on Jan 28, 2018 10:38:49 GMT -8
In general OSU takes the shots that they deem open. If a team is defending the 3 then OSU doesn't take it unless they get behind and then they bomb away to try to catch up. I think Kat has good form but she tends to be a little slow in deciding to make the shot sometimes, which gives the defenders time to catch up to her. When she has made a couple of shots she seems to be willing to let the shots go more quickly. A- Depends on the defense the other team is running. B- She needs to build up her self confidence so she can just shoot and not overthink. B. I've seen one women's game this year (ASU). My coaching experience is maxed out at 12-year-olds (baseball) and 7-year-olds (basketball). I did notice Kat in the game I watched. I did not know she was primarily a 3-point specialist. I did see she got frustrated when a couple of shots did not go down. While not dropping her head, it looked like that effected the other parts of her game. My take is she needs encouragement to play full throttle and not worry about missing a shot or two. |
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Post by skyrider on Jan 28, 2018 10:45:02 GMT -8
As a point of information, what is her current three point shots made vs. shots attempted percentage?
It seems to me that she is deadly three point shooter with a quick release and textbook form.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 28, 2018 10:56:08 GMT -8
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Post by skyrider on Jan 28, 2018 14:03:28 GMT -8
Thank you for providing that information! I rest my case-she is in fact a "deadly three point shooter"
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