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Post by thetruebeav on Nov 27, 2018 9:13:02 GMT -8
Gang... we are at the lowest of lows as far as being competitive, talent and wins. I can't thank Blount enough for him playing and representing Beavers Nation well. Transferring happens everywhere. We are in a harsh reality that the talent level is not even close to what it needs to be. We have been non competitive in two of the most watered down PAC 12 years in decades.
We want to get back to being competitive?!?! UPGRADE! UPGRADE! UPGRADE!
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Post by nabeav on Nov 27, 2018 9:20:52 GMT -8
When you get 5 starts and are clearly outplayed by the incumbent, and a consensus stud is waiting in the wings to challenge you - that's called having the foresight to see that you should probably float down to a smaller pond to see if you can be the big fish there. "Clearly outplayed" may be a bit of stretch. I was pretty surprised when I saw the final stats for this season: Player | Completions | Attempts | Comp. % | Yds | Yards/Attempt | TD | INT | QB Rating | Jake Luton | 140 | 224 | 62.5 | 1660 | 7.4 | 10 | 4 | 135.9 | Conor Blount | 96 | 154 | 62.3 | 1124 | 7.3 | 7 | 2 | 136.0 |
If you take into account rushing (including sacks), Blount lost 31 yards on 56 attempts. In half as many attempts, Luton lost 144 yards. As TheGlove will tell you, "stats are for losers," and it doesn't show the whole story. Blount steadfastly refused to throw a pass unless the receiver was wide open, leading to all his rushing attempts and sacks. Blount was the primary QB against Ohio St, Southern Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State, and California (Colletto replaced him at halftime). Giving Blount 7 points for a combined whole game vs. Cal and Nevada, we averaged 26.83 points per game. With Luton, we averaged 24.16 (giving him credit for 28 points in the Nevada game and considering that an entire game). Of course the SUU game skews things a little bit, but give credit to Blount for the 31 points vs. Ohio State and the 37 vs. Washington State, arguably the two toughest teams on the schedule. My eyes told me Luton was far better, the stats say that while we may have gone about it different ways, the offense was by and large scoring points at the same clip regardless of who was at QB.
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Post by mountainbeaver on Nov 27, 2018 9:25:37 GMT -8
Personally I don’t see Blount physically making it through a full season even if he earned the starting job, which in my opinion he hasn’t. Though he is somewhat athletic he hasn’t been very good at avoiding sacks and doesn’t appear to have the kind of build to survive that kind of punishment. I’m ok with him as a backup, but haven’t seen him ever as the answer as a starter. I wish him well, but frankly think he’s more likely to survive if he moves down a level or two.
Anderson, on the other hand, had a proven starter in 3M who finished his sophomore season with 2 nice wins including a Civil War win. I still have no idea what GA could have been thinking, let alone his decision to go with Collins over LDRio or the other talent he had. I’m sorry to see Blount go, but haven’t seen anything that makes me believe he’s starting D1 qb material. He certainly isn’t as athletic as 3M, and he’s already spent a ton of time on the sidelines injured.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 27, 2018 9:26:00 GMT -8
Does anyone really think that he would be going anywhere had he been the starting QB all season. Devil incarnate picks a starting player and the designated #2 transfers, then he has been run off. A saint or the new guy does the same thing, and it is just one of those things that moving on is just something that had to be done. We're inheriting from Nebraska just for that reason. He wanted to transfer two years ago. Anderpanties had to put him on scholarship to keep him here. Blount was the No. 3 QB. Good luck to him in DIII.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 27, 2018 9:28:52 GMT -8
When you get 5 starts and are clearly outplayed by the incumbent, and a consensus stud is waiting in the wings to challenge you - that's called having the foresight to see that you should probably float down to a smaller pond to see if you can be the big fish there. "Clearly outplayed" may be a bit of stretch. I was pretty surprised when I saw the final stats for this season: Player | Completions | Attempts | Comp. % | Yds | Yards/Attempt | TD | INT | QB Rating | Jake Luton | 140 | 224 | 62.5 | 1660 | 7.4 | 10 | 4 | 135.9 | Conor Blount | 96 | 154 | 62.3 | 1124 | 7.3 | 7 | 2 | 136.0 |
If you take into account rushing (including sacks), Blount lost 31 yards on 56 attempts. In half as many attempts, Luton lost 144 yards. As TheGlove will tell you, "stats are for losers," and it doesn't show the whole story. Blount steadfastly refused to throw a pass unless the receiver was wide open, leading to all his rushing attempts and sacks. Blount was the primary QB against Ohio St, Southern Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State, and California (Colletto replaced him at halftime). Giving Blount 7 points for a combined whole game vs. Cal and Nevada, we averaged 26.83 points per game. With Luton, we averaged 24.16 (giving him credit for 28 points in the Nevada game and considering that an entire game). Of course the SUU game skews things a little bit, but give credit to Blount for the 31 points vs. Ohio State and the 37 vs. Washington State, arguably the two toughest teams on the schedule. My eyes told me Luton was far better, the stats say that while we may have gone about it different ways, the offense was by and large scoring points at the same clip regardless of who was at QB. Now, take out the SUU game and recalculate, comparing FBS apples to FBS apples. His outstanding half against a lower-tier FCS school greatly inflates his numbers.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 27, 2018 9:29:29 GMT -8
Just to take it a little further, no one went nuts when Saint Mike dumped Ryan Katz for Sean Mannion. The next year at San Diego State, Katz did have a better statistical year: Rating 151.6 to 138.8. TD/Int 13/4 to 15/13. Yards per attempt 8.3 to 7.9. Both teams went to bowls and lost. Just didn't hear about Katz' success week after week. First... this board didn't exist as it does now, and posters here on the whole are very different than in that era. And, GAG running off 3M after his CW win and the offense actually looking like an offense was a bit different, if not just the fact it was GAG. Second... I do remember folks thinking MR was off his rocker handing over the offense to SM, and were very vocal on how he treated Ryan. Especially the yanking him after one series (in Wisky?).
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 27, 2018 9:32:26 GMT -8
Does anyone really think that he would be going anywhere had he been the starting QB all season. Devil incarnate picks a starting player and the designated #2 transfers, then he has been run off. A saint or the new guy does the same thing, and it is just one of those things that moving on is just something that had to be done. We're inheriting from Nebraska just for that reason. He wanted to transfer two years ago. Anderpanties had to put him on scholarship to keep him here. Blount was the No. 3 QB. Good luck to him in DIII. So really this thread should probably be renamed "Blount pulls a Nick Mitchell".
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 27, 2018 9:36:28 GMT -8
"Clearly outplayed" may be a bit of stretch. I was pretty surprised when I saw the final stats for this season: Player | Completions | Attempts | Comp. % | Yds | Yards/Attempt | TD | INT | QB Rating | Jake Luton | 140 | 224 | 62.5 | 1660 | 7.4 | 10 | 4 | 135.9 | Conor Blount | 96 | 154 | 62.3 | 1124 | 7.3 | 7 | 2 | 136.0 |
If you take into account rushing (including sacks), Blount lost 31 yards on 56 attempts. In half as many attempts, Luton lost 144 yards. As TheGlove will tell you, "stats are for losers," and it doesn't show the whole story. Blount steadfastly refused to throw a pass unless the receiver was wide open, leading to all his rushing attempts and sacks. Blount was the primary QB against Ohio St, Southern Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State, and California (Colletto replaced him at halftime). Giving Blount 7 points for a combined whole game vs. Cal and Nevada, we averaged 26.83 points per game. With Luton, we averaged 24.16 (giving him credit for 28 points in the Nevada game and considering that an entire game). Of course the SUU game skews things a little bit, but give credit to Blount for the 31 points vs. Ohio State and the 37 vs. Washington State, arguably the two toughest teams on the schedule. My eyes told me Luton was far better, the stats say that while we may have gone about it different ways, the offense was by and large scoring points at the same clip regardless of who was at QB. Now, take out the SUU game and recalculate, comparing FBS apples to FBS apples. His outstanding half against a lower-tier FCS school greatly inflates his numbers. And... approximately 70yds lost for Luton were on 3 trick plays that back fired and he was credited with the loss. I also think there was a bad snap when he wasn't looking for about a 10 yd loss. CB isn't even in the ball park of a decent D1 QB for a team wanting to win 6 or more games. You will not see CB updates that compare to 3M at Fresneck. Someone mentioned White-Water... but, still not going to thrive at any D1 school.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 27, 2018 9:51:39 GMT -8
The strip-sacks that resulted in defensive TD's or very short fields were a factor as well. It shouldn't be too difficult to upgrade the team using CB's scholarship. I wish him well. But not upset that he is gone.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 27, 2018 10:04:29 GMT -8
When you get 5 starts and are clearly outplayed by the incumbent, and a consensus stud is waiting in the wings to challenge you - that's called having the foresight to see that you should probably float down to a smaller pond to see if you can be the big fish there. "Clearly outplayed" may be a bit of stretch. I was pretty surprised when I saw the final stats for this season: Player | Completions | Attempts | Comp. % | Yds | Yards/Attempt | TD | INT | QB Rating | Jake Luton | 140 | 224 | 62.5 | 1660 | 7.4 | 10 | 4 | 135.9 | Conor Blount | 96 | 154 | 62.3 | 1124 | 7.3 | 7 | 2 | 136.0 |
If you take into account rushing (including sacks), Blount lost 31 yards on 56 attempts. In half as many attempts, Luton lost 144 yards. As TheGlove will tell you, "stats are for losers," and it doesn't show the whole story. Blount steadfastly refused to throw a pass unless the receiver was wide open, leading to all his rushing attempts and sacks. Blount was the primary QB against Ohio St, Southern Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State, and California (Colletto replaced him at halftime). Giving Blount 7 points for a combined whole game vs. Cal and Nevada, we averaged 26.83 points per game. With Luton, we averaged 24.16 (giving him credit for 28 points in the Nevada game and considering that an entire game). Of course the SUU game skews things a little bit, but give credit to Blount for the 31 points vs. Ohio State and the 37 vs. Washington State, arguably the two toughest teams on the schedule. My eyes told me Luton was far better, the stats say that while we may have gone about it different ways, the offense was by and large scoring points at the same clip regardless of who was at QB. 500 more yards and 3 more TDs in about one total game less played (when you add up the bits and pieces) is not insignificant... Completion percentage being equal is misleading. Blount checked down a lot. It shows what our eyes all saw. Luton pushed the ball downfield. Blount did not. Blount had 11 passes over 25 yards and 25 passes over 15 yards. Luton had 18 passes over 25 yards and 35 passes over 15 yards.
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Post by hottubbeaver on Nov 27, 2018 10:36:00 GMT -8
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Post by nabeav on Nov 27, 2018 10:45:06 GMT -8
Blount had 11 passes over 25 yards and 25 passes over 15 yards. Luton had 18 passes over 25 yards and 35 passes over 15 yards. Luton threw 45% more passes than Blount. That he had 63% more 25 yard passes and 40% more 35 yard passes seems logical. We threw more with Luton on the field. Prior to Colorado, we averaged 44.5 rushing attempts per game for 195.1 yards. Take out SUU and it's 44.5 rushing attempts per game for 167.7 From Colorado on, is was 34.6 rushing attempts per game for 100.2 ypg. If you move the Nevada game to the Luton side of the ledger, the rushing stats get even worse. Luton is a better thrower than Blount. I'm not denying that. But the results and total offense and points scored are pretty much the same regardless of which one was behind center. You can make the case that they were interchangeable pretty easily.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2018 11:00:08 GMT -8
Chases off an athletic QB that had large board support. Can't wait for response when Blount drops down a competitive notch or two, lights up where he is at Dude. No. just no. First, not sure you can even pretend to claim he had board support. Second, board support doesn't matter at all. EVERYBODY loves the back up. Third, it isn't like he didn't get a shot. he started like 5 games and played in 8... Fourth and lastly, our passing game didn't start clicking until Luton came in. His best passing performance came against Utah State... and he mustered all of 226. yards. Luton had to come in at Nevada and almost pulled off the W after falling behind by 30 to 7 and Blount throwing a pick, going 3 and out, then giving up a strip sack fumble for a TD. in 2.5 quarters, Luton had 284 yards and lead the offense to 28 points. Luton went over 300 yards passing twice this season. He got us the W at Colorado after coming in at halftime and then throwing 300 yards... in a half. Blount did not win the job. He had every fair chance. Unlike 3M, unlike Del Rio, unlike Kempt, where Anderpanties never gave them fair shakes. And worse, with 3M he actually proved himself on the field and then was immediately demoted to Luton practically before he landed on campus. Blount has zero pocket awareness, doesn't progress through his reads, doesn't push the ball downfield and looks to escape the pocket horizontally rather than sliding forward. An Athletic QB? HA. he has -27 yards on 55 attempts this season! he is a guy that looks to scramble first, and doesn't even do that well. Blount had a shot and couldn't play well enough to even fend off Colletto. Blount is leaving because he is on the outside looking in. If Luton comes back, it is a two horse race between Gebbia and Luton. If Luton doesn't get a year, it is a two horse race between Gebbia and Colletto. and in all cases, Gebbia is our starting QB next year. bank on it. good post but i don't even want to reply to this thread because its a troll. Whoops.
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Post by obf on Nov 27, 2018 14:08:48 GMT -8
Thanks for being a good Beaver and for the good plays, good luck in your future endeavors, Conor!
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 27, 2018 14:28:17 GMT -8
Thanks for being a good Beaver and for the good plays, good luck in your future endeavors, Conor! Ditto. Good luck to him. He was a walk-on that was never intended to be our answer at QB. Only after Anderpants channeled his inner Lavonda Wagner did he move up the depth chart far enough to see any playing time.
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